Originally posted by Lord FeronQuestion the White hot room is it in a pocket universe or is it another universe in itself or does it exist outside the multiverse?
If so does the Ig only control the multiverse?
So if the White hot room is outside the multiverse somehow the IG should be rendered useless in theory...
but idk if the WHR is outside the multiverse
or if the IG is only restricted to the multiverse.
Soo can anyone clear things up for me?
The WHR is accessible to whoever has the power to enter it.
Jamie went in there like swimming in water,
and then proceeded to twist it's quantum strings warping the WHR with ease.
If Jamie can do that, surely "God" (beneath the LT) can. 🙂
Originally posted by Mr Master
The IG has been proven on panel to work outside the prime Multiverse.The WHR is accessible to whoever has the power to enter it.
Jamie went in there like swimming in water,
and then proceeded to twist it's quantum strings warping the WHR with ease.If Jamie can do that, surely "God" (beneath the LT) can. 🙂
I don't know enuf to know what you are referencing but you are saying the IG can pretty effect anything in and out of the multiverse (simply everything) then yeah Thanos FTW that purply grey basta*d lol
Originally posted by Lord FeronI don't know enuf to know what you are referencing
This is the White Hot Room:
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Jamie teleported Rachel and Betsy to the,
then after a short while he begins to Morph the White Hot Room:
Jamie Braddock with total control of the WHR:
Originally posted by Lord Feronbut you are saying the IG can pretty effect anything in and out of the multiverse (simply everything) then yeah Thanos FTW that purply grey basta*d lol
Originally posted by Mr Master
Jean needed all the X-Men's plus Corsair's powers and spirits to re-knit the lattice.It was the energy lattice that contains the N-Galaxy,
which Phoenix would have never been able to contain:In fact,
once the Lattice breach went past "the point of no return"
the N-Galaxy would be unleashed, consuming a single Universe, and Phoenix also.Oh and, the "N-Galaxy" was a [B]Universal
remaker then (X-Men#108) 1977
and it's still just a Universal re-maker NOW:
(excerpt from the official Marvel Handbook 2007 edition - Mkraan Crystal)There no such thing as a "a universe of life forces backing her up" ...
btw. She became the full Phoenix Force, nothing more.
[/B]
It is canon, as stated in bios and as mentioned on panel on more than one instance that the crystal is the nexus of all realities.
If its power is unleashed in one reality, it will consume that reality and then will go on to consume all others. The crystal began as a universal destroyer in the late 70's/early80's, only to be retconned into something more in the mid 90's. The official bio, the bio found on the marvunapp site and on panel statements confirm it to be a multiversal nexus. More than one on panel
Do not attempt to demean the crystals status, as a "sly" method of demeaning Phoenixes feat.
On top of that, Rachel has never, ever possessed the full power of the Phoenix Force.
The point was never, ever stated on panel.
What was stated within the bio ONLY however, was that Rachel gained the power that the previous PHOENIX possessed.
The previous Phoenix manifestation operated around Galactus level as stated on panel, therefore the bios comments whilst not supported by statement on panel, are at least feasible.
The previous Phoenixes power was growing on a geometric scale, however she killed herself before she could reach anything far in excess of that:
There is a difference between the Phoenix Force and the Phoenix. The Phoenix is the avatar of the Phoenix Force. It can either be a human host, or the Firebird we see flying through the universe.
It is canon that the Phoenix Force is the life force of creation, therefore to sum up the full Phoenix Force within a host, would mean there would be no life anywhere else. Phoenixes have access to the Phoenix Force, however they have never been shown to be the sum total of the Force within themselves.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Than the IG wins. UN reset the multiverse with a "click of the trigger". Incomplete IG controlled the UN's blast "with a thought".Top feats indeed win!
IG feats > Phoenix feats
Bios state that the universe was returned to normalcy.
The UN has only ever been stated and shown BEFORE and AFTER this instance to be capable of universal annihilation. There is no precedence for multiversal scale resetting.
By reseting Eternity 616, Abraxas would never have gotten the chance to cause havok across the multiverse, therefore such damage would have been nullified as a result of the 616 reset NOT directly along with it.
When you can find some bios or on panel instances referring to how the UN directly reset the multiverse, then hit me up.
KAY? 😱
Originally posted by Utrigita
Really...what feats???
With the IG, there was talk of Magus using it to merge two universes together, however he didnt get any further than talk about it because he soon got stomped.
Would've been lovely to see as well 🙁
Aside from that, Thanos stomped some abstracts and basically became Eternity.
How quaint 😱
Originally posted by Xplosive
I doubt it.Tell me which Phoenix Force feat would trump IG feat of destroying entire cosmic hierarchy except Living Tribunal?
All the abstracts are aspects of the universe. They and their power derive from the universe.
For a host of the Phoenix to be able to materialise all that is the universe, all of that matter and energy, from one location to the palm of her hand and have absolute control of it right down to the sub atomic, that pretty much renders Thanos little battle within such a universe quite irrelevant.
Manipulating a universe in the palm of your hand>Fighting to gain control of the universe and eventually becoming that universe.
🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
With the IG, there was talk of Magus using it to merge two universes together, however he didnt get any further than talk about it because he soon got stomped.Would've been lovely to see as well 🙁
Aside from that, Thanos stomped some abstracts and basically became Eternity.
How quaint 😱
It sure would but the fact alone that he could merge them so more quicker then the combined efforts of five cosmic cubes that was capable of binding eternity and Infinity together inseperately quiet effortless. Also I believe that he actually merged them together.
And it would be lovely to have seen Phoenix of the White Crown manipulate a universe at a subatomic universe another place then in the White room 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
All the abstracts are aspects of the universe. They and their power derive from the universe.For a host of the Phoenix to be able to materialise all that is the universe, all of that matter and energy, from one location to the palm of her hand and have absolute control of it right down to the sub atomic, that pretty much renders Thanos little battle within such a universe quite irrelevant.
Manipulating a universe in the palm of your hand>Fighting to gain control of the universe and eventually becoming that universe.
🙂
You got the point. I was thinking about that. I mean she did that to them, like you said, they derive form the universe, actually creating the universe together. Phoenix pretty much held them and manipulating with them at her will.
Originally posted by Utrigita
It sure would but the fact alone that he could merge them so more quicker then the combined efforts of five cosmic cubes that was capable of binding eternity and Infinity together inseperately quiet effortless. Also I believe that he actually merged them together.
All talk, no actual feat.
Magus talked a good game, but before he got the plan rolling, unfortunately for your argument he got stomped 🙁
Originally posted by Utrigita
And it would be lovely to have seen Phoenix of the White Crown manipulate a universe at a subatomic universe another place then in the White room 🙂
Given that on panel or in a bio, being within the White Hot Room has never ever been marked as a requirement for Phoenix to use such high level telekinesis,
given that BEFORE Phoenix entered the WHR she stated she amputated the future and we see it disappear from view(the handbook verifies she actually did do this)
your trolling attempt gets quashed. blowup
