DE siddious vs team of Rots yoda and Nomi sunrider

Started by tauros3 pages

Darthsith.. seriously.. do you have problems understanding text?

"The Dooku point is again irrelevant as they engaged him 2 on 1 in saber combat, which is not what Yoda and Nomi will be doing in my scenario. What makes you think that Sidious will be able to defeat Yoda in 1 second? He is powerful but 1 second is ridiculous."

Jesus Christ our Saviour! The fact that they were 2 on 1 in saber combat doesn't change a thing. The point was that Dooku was able to SEPERATE them, so he could SEPERATE Yoda from Nomi for long enough time to kill Nomi.

And I doubt battle meditation would do much against Sidious, he's just way too powerful for Nomi, and could probably overpower the effects of her meditation

Originally posted by tauros
Darthsith.. seriously.. do you have problems understanding text?

"The Dooku point is again irrelevant as they engaged him 2 on 1 in saber combat, which is not what Yoda and Nomi will be doing in my scenario. What makes you think that Sidious will be able to defeat Yoda in 1 second? He is powerful but 1 second is ridiculous."

Jesus Christ our Saviour! The fact that they were 2 on 1 in saber combat doesn't change a thing. The point was that Dooku was able to SEPERATE them, so he could SEPERATE Yoda from Nomi for long enough time to kill Nomi.

You and Gideon are saying that because person A can separate 2 people in saber combat, person B can separate 2 people when one has a saber and the other is several meters away using Battle Meditation. And no, I have no problem understanding what you are saying, but that doesn't work. Saber combat is not the same as one with a saber, one using the Force.

And I doubt battle meditation would do much against Sidious, he's just way too powerful for Nomi, and could probably overpower the effects of her meditation

If you read my first post this is what I said:

Originally posted by darthsith19
Nomi's battle meditation probably won't have a great effect on Sidious. But it might bring him down just barely enough that Yoda can beat him.

and then at the end I said that I wasn't sure.

Yes, indeed, it is EASIER to get to you if you're using battle meditation and not fighting with your saber.

Originally posted by tauros
Yes, indeed, it is EASIER to get to you if you're using battle meditation and not fighting with your saber.

No, if she were using her lightsaber she would be like 2 feet away from him and he could cut her down with his saber or use the Force. If she is 50 meters away and he is busy fending off Yoda then he won't be able to get to her until he finishes with Yoda. It all depends, can he finish Yoda off before the Battle Meditation kicks in and if not, will the Battle Meditation give Yoda the edge he needs to win? I never said it would, I said there was a chance.

Sadly, Sidious

Originally posted by darthsith19
No, if she were using her lightsaber she would be like 2 feet away from him and he could cut her down with his saber or use the Force. If she is 50 meters away and he is busy fending off Yoda then he won't be able to get to her until he finishes with Yoda. It all depends, can he finish Yoda off before the Battle Meditation kicks in and if not, will the Battle Meditation give Yoda the edge he needs to win? I never said it would, I said there was a chance.

Actually Sidious can kill Nomi while she is using battle meditation as I already said here in the Bane came very close to killing the jedi using BM before the others

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
In ROT the jedi doing BM was only able to survive so long because one jedi actually had to force push the jedi using BM away from danger.(Bane's lightsaber I believe) but by using the force on his own ally it broke his concentration and interrupted the battle meditation.

Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Actually Sidious can kill Nomi while she is using battle meditation as I already said here in the Bane came very close to killing the jedi using BM before the others

Can he do that while fending off Yoda? Was Bane fighting other Jedi while attacking the Jedi that was using BM? If so, I concede.

Originally posted by darthsith19
There was non need to mention Dooku, Gideon, as I already conceeded to that point. Talk about not being able to put 2 and 2 together. 🙄

Truthfully, darthsith, I am the last person on this forum who you want to try to bait, for many reasons -- not the least of which is the fact that while you may have 'conceded' the point, you clearly don't understand it at all.

So let me get this straight - Yoda and Sidious will be dueling for some time but if by chance Nomi's battle meditation suddenly kicks in, Sidious will become capable of disabling Yoda for a second? Then why wouldn't he just disable Yoda right from the very start if he is that far above him?

And you wonder why your debating skills are derided and mocked, darthsith? Let this argument be testimony to how inept you're being. The reborn Emperor is considerably superior to Yoda in terms of acquired Force strength and demonstrated powers, given that the Emperor will see Nomi plop her ass on the floor and attempt to summon battle meditation to enhance Yoda's abilities, do you not think that Palpatine can dodge, deflect, evade, avoid, or disable Yoda long enough to either put a lightsaber through her heart or kill her with the Force? It would take, perhaps, a single second.

The Dooku point is again irrelevant as they engaged him 2 on 1 in saber combat, which is not what Yoda and Nomi will be doing in my scenario. What makes you think that Sidious will be able to defeat Yoda in 1 second? He is powerful but 1 second is ridiculous.

Your demonstrated incompetence regarding this duel is becoming earth-shattering. I never said that Sidious could overpower Yoda in one second. I said he could for one second to crush Nomi. I can clearly see that you're not comprehending the material, as Tauros has instructed, which makes your earlier jab all the more amusing.

How's that? He never disintegrated anybody else's lightsaber. What makes you think that he could do it.

The fact that he did disintegrate Leia Organa Solo's lightsaber in Dark Empire.

Yes but they were dueling him.

Oh, and what will Yoda be doing? Engaging Sidious in a political debate?

Kenobi being Anakin in the duel held Anakin back, which is the only reason that Dooku was able to kick him into the wall. Yoda will be engaging Sidious in saber combat one on one, thus there will be nobody to hold him back. If Anakin had dueled Dooku while Kenobi used battle meditation, you think Dooku would have still taken Kenobi out?

Perhaps. But, even if he couldn't, that is where the analogy ends, because Dooku was technically inferior to Anakin in those circumstances by that point. Sidious is superior to both of his enemies here.

Now, we're done here. No one can be this obtuse or dense, despite multiple people taking their time to carefully explain the process. And, perhaps the next time you try to crack a joke, make sure it doesn't precede an even bigger one (your argument). You're acting like a logical disappointment, darthsith.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Can he do that while fending off Yoda? Was Bane fighting other Jedi while attacking the Jedi that was using BM? If so, I concede.

no point responding until Elite Hunter responds back. Because his response might end my arguement, oh, and sorry for the double post, I was just posting in the 1,000,000 game so i am used to double posting. whoops.

Originally posted by darthsith19
Can he do that while fending off Yoda? Was Bane fighting other Jedi while attacking the Jedi that was using BM? If so, I concede.

Thank god the novel is online otherwise typing this would be a pain and could have overlooked important details. Anyway in the book it is from page 279-281

Johun turned his head at the sound of Farfalla's voice.

"Go," Sarro shouted at him. "I can handle this one."

The young Jedi looked over to the far side of the room and instantly recognized what was happening. Master Worror was in danger; he had to be protected or his battle meditation-and any hope of victory-would be lost.

He leapt across the room, using the Force to propel him through the air so that he landed only a few meters from where Raskta was dueling Darth Bane, desperately trying to drive him back and away from where Master Worror stood but a meter or two behind her. He hesitated before attacking, noticing that the Sith Lord's skin was covered with a strange, crustaceous growth.

"Go for the face!" Farfalla shouted, arriving on the scene and throwing himself into the battle as Johun did the same.

Together the three of them held the Sith Lord at bay: Farfalla on the left flank, Johun on the right, and Raskta in the center. Between blocks and parries they cut and stabbed at his face, their combined efforts finally forcing their enemy into a defensive stance.

The young Jedi marveled at the speed and savagery of Raskta's blades. And while Johun's own clumsy efforts had actually seemed to impede Sarro when they fought side by side, Raskta appeared to thrive off his presence. When he went high, she went low. If he came from the left, she came from the right. It was partly a function of her choice of weapon: individually each of her lightsabers was more precise and accurate than Sarro's giant double blades. But it was more than that. Her reactions were so fast, her combat instincts so pure, that she was able to sense and anticipate what he was going to do even as it happened, then use his attacks to her own advantage.

On her opposite side Farfalla struck with clean, elegant blows, his form perfect as he harried Bane's right flank. Yet though they were able to hold their ground, they couldn't drive him back or defeat him.

They were at an impasse, none of their attacks able to connect with the one vulnerable part of Bane's anatomy. Then Johun caught a glimpse of white flesh peeking out from the seam between the Sith's armored gloves and the strange shells on his forearm. The gap was narrow, but it was large enough for a well-aimed blade to penetrate.

He slashed at his new target. Amplified by Worror's power, the Force flowed through him and guided his blade home. The contact wasn't perfect; his lightsaber glanced off the edge of the armored shells so that he only made shallow contact with the skin beneath. Instead of severing the hand, he merely sliced deep enough to sever nerves and tendons.

Bane bellowed in rage as his weapon slipped from his grasp, the wound leaving his fingers limp and powerless. But before Johun or any of the others had a chance to finish off their unarmed opponent, they were blown backward by an explosion of dark side energy, their enemy's power fueled by the sharp, sudden pain of his wound.

Lying on the ground ten meters away, Johun watched in helpless horror as the Dark Lord's lightsaber leapt from the floor and flew back into his hand. Amazingly, his fingers wrapped themselves around the hilt and reignited the crimson blade, his injuries somehow healing almost instantly.

There was no longer anyone standing between Bane and the Itho-rian; like Johun, Farfalla and Raskta had both been thrown clear. The Sith Lord raised his blade to end Worror's life, and Johun thrust out with the Force.

He knew he wasn't strong enough to penetrate Bane's defenses, but the big man wasn't his target. Instead, the powerful push struck Worror, throwing him into the corner as the lightsaber strike that would have cut him in two swished harmlessly through the air.

Johun felt his strength and energy plummet, A wave of exhaustion and fatigue overwhelmed him, the beneficial effects of the battle meditation vanishing as Worror's concentration was broken. But the Jedi Master was still alive, and Farfalla and Raskta were back on their feet. If they could hold Bane off for just a few seconds, the Ithorian could resume his meditations and restore their advantage.

Basically he used the darkside to throw his opponents out his way and then he tried to cut down the jedi using Bm but another jedi used the force to push his ally out of the way and it interrupted the battle meditation.

Another interesting point to make here is regarding the battle meditation. We know it enhances one's abilities, but we don't know how much. Given the huge disparity in force abilities between Yoda and the Emperor, it is unlikely Nomi's BM is going go do anything besides prolonge the inevitable.