Originally posted by Avlon
Wasn't Mags downgraded recently? While he did to get some of his power back..it's not what it used to be..and even at his height...still not herald level.
That's sort of true and not true at the same time.
If we look at his history.
- The original Magneto, the one that faced off against the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #1 and Thor in that issue was unable to fly. (His inability to fly was then retconned by Chris Claremont and again during the remake of Uncanny X-Men #1 which was called X-Men: Mythos. Although this Magneto showed off his Psi-Powers a lot more then current Magneto.
-Magneto had runnings with the Avengers, Inhumans and Fantastic Four (Can't remember the order) but this old man who couldn't fly was causing a lot of trouble eg Thors hammer, Iron Mans suit etc.. he was eventually caught by Reeds machines and learnt that he could control electromagnetism when he escaped from his plastic prison.
- Magneto was still an old man who couldn't fly when he took out the Defenders that consisted of Strange, Hulk, Valkerie, Someone Else I can't remember and Xavier. At the end of this issue he was turned into a baby by his experiment Alpha the Mutate.
- During Claremonts run during the Phoenix Rising Saga a Shiar (UXM #103 IRRC) bad guy called Eric the Red reaged Magneto to his prime. Magneto was stronger then ever. He could fly, turned a limited Phoenix's power against her took out the X-Men etc..
- Magneto joined the X-Men and took on the Avengers during that X-Men vs. Avengers mini. I'm not sure but someone told me that, that Thor was weaker back then.
- I'm not sure if there was another upgrade in Fatal Attractions but around this time his powers were making him more insane he EMP'd the Earth and built Asteroid M. His powers were fading though around this time so he needed Cortez to sustain him. He ended up mind wiped by Xavier here.
- Exodus helped him through his situation, but an Ex-Brotherhood member called Astra cloned him and brought him out of his vegetable like state.
- He threatened the Earth again his powers were fading so he needed a machine which he hooked himself up to and was one with the Earths Magnetosphere.
- The X-Men and Joseph(His clone) stopped him but the world surrendered and granted him Genosha. The Apocalypse/Twelve thing happened and his DNA was degraded so for a while he needed Polaris(His Daughter who also has Magnetic Powers) to establish a connection to the Earths Magnetosphere in order to use his powers.
- He eventually found a machine that rejuvenated his DNA and gave him another power boost making him more powerful then he's ever been. He then chucked the Avengers out of his land and threatened the rest of the world with their own Satellites that he was controlling with his powers from Genosha.
- During Dark Seduction he was about to go to war with the world took out the weirdest X-Men team ever and was eventually paralysed by Wolverine.
- Genosha Fell. Emma Frost became a core member of the X-Men.(Sorry just had to mention that)
Xorn showed up, broke New York, sent the Avengers hunting for a black hole. Controlled Gravity and Electromagnetism etc...turned out to be an imposter and was beheaded by Wolverine.
- The real Magneto somehow recovered from Wolverine's attack in Dark Seduction and was apparently weaker then he's ever been due to the wavering belief he had in his dream. When Wanda killed the Avengers he found meaning to his life again created a worm hole and went to go and fetch her.
- House of M happened and Magneto was depowered.
- Bendis and the Collective repowered Magneto for a while, after the fiasco Magneto disappeared/escaped in an explosion no one knew if he was repowered or not.
-Brubakers Extremists arc occured and at the end of the arc according to a book that tells the future Magneto is still a mutant.
- Currently Xavier and Magneto are fighting Exodus. Magneto is pretending to be human. So his current power level is unknown. But UXM #500 is coming up soon so he's probably due for another power upgrade.
Originally posted by batdude123
Magneto has flown to the moon in one panel. Something tells me him flying upwards out of Doomsday's range wouldn't be a problem.And he was only compared to "Flash" by Booster Gold... a human. At that speed, it's hard to tell the difference between someone like Doomsday and Flash, especially for someone with human reflexes.
Doubtful.
Most Green Lanterns shown on panel are used for nothing other than cannon fodder. Saying that no-name GL is superior to Magneto is ridiculous, and a baseless assumption.
You showed a single scan from their entire fight. Before that, Magneto was more than holding his own against Thor. He even magnetically grabbed Mjolnir so Thor couldn't reach it, then 60 seconds later Thor reverted to Donald Blake. What you posted was Thor getting in a sneak attack while Magneto's back was turned.
Anyway, considering that fight took place in Thor's own title series, Magneto did pretty good. And as someone already mentioned, it's 40+ years old. Since then, Magneto has become much more powerful.
In another showing, Magneto laughed off Thor's shots saying something like "mere physical force cannot penetrate my force field."
And considering Magneto has easily restrained the Hulk, I'd say he could do so to DOS Doomsday.
and here I thought I was the only person who respected magento in these forums. boo to the DC fanboys. Gl >>>>> Mags hehehe that tickles me silly...(correction im talking about the no name GLs ) sorry for editing so much but did a polaris knock out kyle GL with his own ring by making him punch himself hehehe.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's sort of true and not true at the same time.If we look at his history.
- The original Magneto, the one that faced off against the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #1 and Thor in that issue was unable to fly. (His inability to fly was then retconned by Chris Claremont and again during the remake of Uncanny X-Men #1 which was called X-Men: Mythos. Although this Magneto showed off his Psi-Powers a lot more then current Magneto.
-Magneto had runnings with the Avengers, Inhumans and Fantastic Four (Can't remember the order) but this old man who couldn't fly was causing a lot of trouble eg Thors hammer, Iron Mans suit etc.. he was eventually caught by Reeds machines and learnt that he could control electromagnetism when he escaped from his plastic prison.
- Magneto was still an old man who couldn't fly when he took out the Defenders that consisted of Strange, Hulk, Valkerie, Someone Else I can't remember and Xavier. At the end of this issue he was turned into a baby by his experiment Alpha the Mutate.
- During Claremonts run during the Phoenix Rising Saga a Shiar (UXM #103 IRRC) bad guy called Eric the Red reaged Magneto to his prime. Magneto was stronger then ever. He could fly, turned a limited Phoenix's power against her took out the X-Men etc..
- Magneto joined the X-Men and took on the Avengers during that X-Men vs. Avengers mini. I'm not sure but someone told me that, that Thor was weaker back then.
- I'm not sure if there was another upgrade in Fatal Attractions but around this time his powers were making him more insane he EMP'd the Earth and built Asteroid M. His powers were fading though around this time so he needed Cortez to sustain him. He ended up mind wiped by Xavier here.
- Exodus helped him through his situation, but an Ex-Brotherhood member called Astra cloned him and brought him out of his vegetable like state.
- He threatened the Earth again his powers were fading so he needed a machine which he hooked himself up to and was one with the Earths Magnetosphere.
- The X-Men and Joseph(His clone) stopped him but the world surrendered and granted him Genosha. The Apocalypse/Twelve thing happened and his DNA was degraded so for a while he needed Polaris(His Daughter who also has Magnetic Powers) to establish a connection to the Earths Magnetosphere in order to use his powers.
- He eventually found a machine that rejuvenated his DNA and gave him another power boost making him more powerful then he's ever been. He then chucked the Avengers out of his land and threatened the rest of the world with their own Satellites that he was controlling with his powers from Genosha.
- During Dark Seduction he was about to go to war with the world took out the weirdest X-Men team ever and was eventually paralysed by Wolverine.
- Genosha Fell. Emma Frost became a core member of the X-Men.(Sorry just had to mention that)
Xorn showed up, broke New York, sent the Avengers hunting for a black hole. Controlled Gravity and Electromagnetism etc...turned out to be an imposter and was beheaded by Wolverine.- The real Magneto somehow recovered from Wolverine's attack in Dark Seduction and was apparently weaker then he's ever been due to the wavering belief he had in his dream. When Wanda killed the Avengers he found meaning to his life again created a worm hole and went to go and fetch her.
- House of M happened and Magneto was depowered.
- Bendis and the Collective repowered Magneto for a while, after the fiasco Magneto disappeared/escaped in an explosion no one knew if he was repowered or not.
-Brubakers Extremists arc occured and at the end of the arc according to a book that tells the future Magneto is still a mutant.
- Currently Xavier and Magneto are fighting Exodus. Magneto is pretending to be human. So his current power level is unknown. But UXM #500 is coming up soon so he's probably due for another power upgrade.
Let us not forget its not only Magneto that DD is up against.
Doomsday tends not to fare as well against somone who has radically different powers to him (eg. Radiant) - ie. somone who doesn't get into H2H combat because in that instance Doomsday trumps...
This is a far more difficult fight for DD than the Superman/DD fanboys would like to admit 😄
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
That's sort of true and not true at the same time.If we look at his history.
- The original Magneto, the one that faced off against the X-Men in Uncanny X-Men #1 and Thor in that issue was unable to fly. (His inability to fly was then retconned by Chris Claremont and again during the remake of Uncanny X-Men #1 which was called X-Men: Mythos. Although this Magneto showed off his Psi-Powers a lot more then current Magneto.
-Magneto had runnings with the Avengers, Inhumans and Fantastic Four (Can't remember the order) but this old man who couldn't fly was causing a lot of trouble eg Thors hammer, Iron Mans suit etc.. he was eventually caught by Reeds machines and learnt that he could control electromagnetism when he escaped from his plastic prison.
- Magneto was still an old man who couldn't fly when he took out the Defenders that consisted of Strange, Hulk, Valkerie, Someone Else I can't remember and Xavier. At the end of this issue he was turned into a baby by his experiment Alpha the Mutate.
- During Claremonts run during the Phoenix Rising Saga a Shiar (UXM #103 IRRC) bad guy called Eric the Red reaged Magneto to his prime. Magneto was stronger then ever. He could fly, turned a limited Phoenix's power against her took out the X-Men etc..
- Magneto joined the X-Men and took on the Avengers during that X-Men vs. Avengers mini. I'm not sure but someone told me that, that Thor was weaker back then.
- I'm not sure if there was another upgrade in Fatal Attractions but around this time his powers were making him more insane he EMP'd the Earth and built Asteroid M. His powers were fading though around this time so he needed Cortez to sustain him. He ended up mind wiped by Xavier here.
- Exodus helped him through his situation, but an Ex-Brotherhood member called Astra cloned him and brought him out of his vegetable like state.
- He threatened the Earth again his powers were fading so he needed a machine which he hooked himself up to and was one with the Earths Magnetosphere.
- The X-Men and Joseph(His clone) stopped him but the world surrendered and granted him Genosha. The Apocalypse/Twelve thing happened and his DNA was degraded so for a while he needed Polaris(His Daughter who also has Magnetic Powers) to establish a connection to the Earths Magnetosphere in order to use his powers.
- He eventually found a machine that rejuvenated his DNA and gave him another power boost making him more powerful then he's ever been. He then chucked the Avengers out of his land and threatened the rest of the world with their own Satellites that he was controlling with his powers from Genosha.
- During Dark Seduction he was about to go to war with the world took out the weirdest X-Men team ever and was eventually paralysed by Wolverine.
- Genosha Fell. Emma Frost became a core member of the X-Men.(Sorry just had to mention that)
Xorn showed up, broke New York, sent the Avengers hunting for a black hole. Controlled Gravity and Electromagnetism etc...turned out to be an imposter and was beheaded by Wolverine.- The real Magneto somehow recovered from Wolverine's attack in Dark Seduction and was apparently weaker then he's ever been due to the wavering belief he had in his dream. When Wanda killed the Avengers he found meaning to his life again created a worm hole and went to go and fetch her.
- House of M happened and Magneto was depowered.
- Bendis and the Collective repowered Magneto for a while, after the fiasco Magneto disappeared/escaped in an explosion no one knew if he was repowered or not.
-Brubakers Extremists arc occured and at the end of the arc according to a book that tells the future Magneto is still a mutant.
- Currently Xavier and Magneto are fighting Exodus. Magneto is pretending to be human. So his current power level is unknown. But UXM #500 is coming up soon so he's probably due for another power upgrade.
Damn Mogul cut off my last reply. Well done on the bio.
The laughable indirect veiled flame attempts by some of these members are hilarious too.
In a comic, those 2 would be fodder to DD in a few panels tops. This is almost as laughable as the old Superman vs Magneto thread, in which Mags was going to pull off tons of things simultaneously before Supes could KO him.
100ft is nothing to DD. Where is the proof that Mags and Polaris could find tons of metal to suddenly surround a fast moving DD who's a blur to them and quickly approaching?
Their fields aren't going to stop him, if they could even react fast enough to get them at a range that protects them. If they concentrate on trying to trap DD, then they end up nearly defenseless to his assault and he kills them.
If they try and put forcefields on...DD gets through and kills them.
I'm all for BFR but the op would have needed to state quite a long distance for it to have a chance of working. As is, these guys will be on a more defensive stance.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Let us not forget its not only Magneto that DD is up against.Doomsday tends not to fare as well against somone who has radically different powers to him (eg. Radiant) - ie. somone who doesn't get into H2H combat because in that instance Doomsday trumps...
This is a far more difficult fight for DD than the Superman/DD fanboys would like to admit 😄
Radiant used a technique that Mags or Polaris couldn't have pulled off... and because DD had resurrected from it already... even if they did have it...that trick wouldn't work again.
Oh, and before referring to anyone as a "fanboy" or anything..perhaps you should considering NOT naming yourself after a character.
Originally posted by Avlon
Radiant used a technique that Mags or Polaris couldn't have pulled off... and because DD had resurrected from it already... even if they did have it...that trick wouldn't work again.Oh, and before referring to anyone as a "fanboy" or anything..perhaps you should considering NOT naming yourself after a character.
Touched a nerve have I?
And I never said they would be using the SAME trick - seeing as there very different im not quite sure how you came to that conclusion. DD was killed once by somthing he couldn't understand - no reason why that can't happen again eh FANBOY?
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Originally posted by GahLakTus
Touched a nerve have I?And I never said they would be using the SAME trick - seeing as there very different im not quite sure how you came to that conclusion. DD was killed once by somthing he couldn't understand - no reason why that can't happen again eh FANBOY?
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LOL, now this sad flame attempt from someone named after a comic character.
Stick to the minor leagues of debating. Let the rest of us know when you will actually attempt a valid point that hasn't been refuted.
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Originally posted by GahLakTus
Touched a nerve have I?And I never said they would be using the SAME trick - seeing as there very different im not quite sure how you came to that conclusion. DD was killed once by somthing he couldn't understand - no reason why that can't happen again eh FANBOY?
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Fanboy scum.
Originally posted by GahLakTus
Touched a nerve have I?And I never said they would be using the SAME trick - seeing as there very different im not quite sure how you came to that conclusion. DD was killed once by somthing he couldn't understand - no reason why that can't happen again eh FANBOY?
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what has Dr.Polaris or Magneto ever done lethal enough that they could do to DD (be it separate or combined attacks) that he hasn't encountered or can survive?
Originally posted by SevenShackles
what has Dr.Polaris or Magneto ever done lethal enough that they could do to DD (be it separate or combined attacks) that he hasn't encountered or can survive?
They don't have to kill him. Flinging him off planet would win a KMC match.
Honestly, anyone who is arguing for Doomsday please confront the strategy that me and a bunch of other people have already posted. Just get out of range and hurl him into space. How exactly is Doomsday supposed to avoid that? He loses by BFR, and anyone who doesn't get that isn't really thinking logically. Unless you actually think he's fast enough to get to Magneto AND Polaris before they're off the ground, there is just no way for Doomsday to win this by that battle plan.
Originally posted by SevenShackles
what has Dr.Polaris or Magneto ever done lethal enough that they could do to DD (be it separate or combined attacks) that he hasn't encountered or can survive?
Nothing...and they (by KMC standard rules) weren't set off far enough to be of consequence. DD would kill these 2 without much issue. Even DOS Supes had to try and keep up with him and although nowhere near as fast as he is now...he was no slouch speed wise.
The BFR is possible with enough time and distance though if they can manipulate a large enough piece of mass where DD wouldn't notice.
