Vulcan vs Terrax

meh -- no logical reason he couldn't have dealt with glads in the same way he did rachel by affecting his bio-energy. and while it's true he lost to glads (a nice showing for him for a change) he did better against the eldest than gladiator did and was ultimately the reason the eldest was defeated (the same eldest who pretty effortlessly busted gladiator up). don't forget -- vulcan's chrono age is THIRTEEN. he is written as impetulant because he's an angry kid and he is VERY inexperienced with his power.

given his powerset, he could have easily found a simple, logical way to beat glads. he didn't which was sorta disappointing. glads however was given some good respect in that mini as he was shown killing the shi'ar phoenix as well . . .

as for havok -- he owned havok several times (an impressive feat given some of havok's feats) until he was uber-amped. again, disappointing, but there is still a lot of time to see more of vulcan and where he ends up . . .

terrax would win now. vulcan has the potential to defeat him though.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh -- no logical reason he couldn't have dealt with glads in the same way he did rachel by affecting his bio-energy. and while it's true he lost to glads (a nice showing for him for a change) he did better against the eldest than gladiator did and was ultimately the reason the eldest was defeated (the same eldest who pretty effortlessly busted gladiator up). don't forget -- vulcan's chrono age is THIRTEEN. he is written as impetulant because he's an angry kid and he is VERY inexperienced with his power.

given his powerset, he could have easily found a simple, logical way to beat glads. he didn't which was sorta disappointing. glads however was given some good respect in that mini as he was shown killing the shi'ar phoenix as well . . .

as for havok -- he owned havok several times (an impressive feat given some of havok's feats) until he was uber-amped. again, disappointing, but there is still a lot of time to see more of vulcan and where he ends up . . .

terrax would win now. vulcan has the potential to defeat him though.

Not to mention that the loss to Gladiator was pretty much explained in the same issue. Brubaker wasn't about to let his creation be dog food. Which in retrospect is actually a very good showing seeing how he beat up the Imperial Guard while given a false briefing of the situation.

Can't say the same for the The Star-Amped Havok thing though.

Originally posted by leonidas
meh -- no logical reason he couldn't have dealt with glads in the same way he did rachel by affecting his bio-energy. and while it's true he lost to glads (a nice showing for him for a change) he did better against the eldest than gladiator did and was ultimately the reason the eldest was defeated (the same eldest who pretty effortlessly busted gladiator up). don't forget -- vulcan's chrono age is THIRTEEN. he is written as impetulant because he's an angry kid and he is VERY inexperienced with his power.

given his powerset, he could have easily found a simple, logical way to beat glads. he didn't which was sorta disappointing. glads however was given some good respect in that mini as he was shown killing the shi'ar phoenix as well . . .

as for havok -- he owned havok several times (an impressive feat given some of havok's feats) until he was uber-amped. again, disappointing, but there is still a lot of time to see more of vulcan and where he ends up . . .

terrax would win now. vulcan has the potential to defeat him though.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not to mention that the loss to Gladiator was pretty much explained in the same issue. Brubaker wasn't about to let his creation be dog food. Which in retrospect is actually a very good showing seeing how he beat up the Imperial Guard while given a false briefing of the situation.

Can't say the same for the The Star-Amped Havok thing though.

that's a fair poitn -- the guard WAS alerted to his coming, and vulcan was misled about their power levels. i'd forgotten that. i'd personally like to see a rematch between glads and vulcan. i'd place my money on the omega, i think. 🙂

If he didn't act like an idiot Vulcan all the way.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not to mention that the loss to Gladiator was pretty much explained in the same issue. Brubaker wasn't about to let his creation be dog food. Which in retrospect is actually a very good showing seeing how he beat up the Imperial Guard while given a false briefing of the situation.

Can't say the same for the The Star-Amped Havok thing though.

All that really says is he was unaware of Glads true powerlevel, that would be the same for anyone who has never faced Gladiator before, I don't see how that explains away his lose.

Its called jobbing especially with what he done before.

Not really, it could be Gladiator was too fast and strong for him. It's not like Glads uses energy attacks like the eldest

He was fast enough to talk and to blast but not fast to enough to do something that he seemly done effortlessly and very quick before?

The fight was entertaining but shouldn't have went down that way with Vulcan's history.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Not to mention that the loss to Gladiator was pretty much explained in the same issue.

No mental blocks or limitations were placed on Vulcan,
he was simply not told about "what he was up against?" ... Like Gladiator?

Only way I interpret that concerning it helping Vulcan is, he needs prep,
in order to look into Glads' weakness to cheese his way to a win.

I don't know,

imo ... that was the old school Gladiator in the house for a change.
(containing explosions that can destroy half the solar system/flies at 100 x light speed,
laughs in the center of a direct concentrated nova blast)

My bad, I'm ranting, I like Glads. 🙂

He was confident vs Vulcan, perhaps confident Gladiator > omega level mutants. 😂

Originally posted by Troop
He was fast enough to talk and to blast but not fast to enough to do something that he seemly done effortlessly and very quick before?

The fight was entertaining but shouldn't have went down that way with Vulcan's history.

Well he was obviously too strong, and wasn't fast enough for a second attack. http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/4386/1uh8.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
That doesn't sound like a stipulation to me EC,
Vulcan didn't get prep, that's not Gladiator's fault,
it's not like if Gladiator had prep.

No mental blocks or limitations were placed on Vulcan,
he was simply not told about "what he was up against?" ... Like Gladiator?

Only way I interpret that concerning it helping Vulcan is, he needs prep,
in order to look into Glads' weakness to cheese his way to a win.

I don't know,

imo ... that was the old school Gladiator in the house for a change.
(containing explosions that can destroy half the solar system/flies at 100 x light speed,
laughs in the center of a direct concentrated nova blast)

My bad, I'm ranting, I like Glads. 🙂

He was confident vs Vulcan, perhaps confident Gladiator > omega level mutants. 😂

I concur.

🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
That doesn't sound like a stipulation to me EC,
Vulcan didn't get prep, that's not Gladiator's fault,
it's not like if Gladiator had prep.

No mental blocks or limitations were placed on Vulcan,
he was simply not told about "what he was up against?" ... Like Gladiator?

Only way I interpret that concerning it helping Vulcan is, he needs prep,
in order to look into Glads' weakness to cheese his way to a win.

I don't know,

imo ... that was the old school Gladiator in the house for a change.
(containing explosions that can destroy half the solar system) meh.
- a would be upgraded supes in marvel -

My bad, I'm ranting, I like Glads. 🙂

He was confident vs Vulcan, perhaps confident Gladiator > omega level mutants. 😂

I think the issue here is that Vulcan did get prep. He was actually told what he was up against(What to expect). The strategy in which he approached that fight was from the plan he took weeks to formulate based on false information purposely given to him by the Shiar Captain and he still managed to total the Imperial Guard. He was pretty much a 13 year old shell-shocked after realizing he's been duped by a smelly bird man.

BTW I think you're misinterpreting the meaning of being an Omega Level Mutant.
Being an Omega Level Mutant does not grant the character an automatic win. You have Alpha Level Mutants who are more powerful then Omega Level Mutants. Omega Level Mutants are explained as beings with unlimited potential, thing is they still have to reach that potential.

Yea, omegas are normally some of the strongest mutants though.

Gladiator is herlad level character, losing to him doesn't have to be jobbing.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

I think the issue here is that Vulcan did get prep. He was actually told what he was up against. The strategy in which he approached that fight was from the plan he took weeks to formulate based on false information purposely given to him by the Shiar Captain and he still managed to total the Imperial Guard.

I agree with you on your point below, so the "omega level" stamp is inconsequential,
but nevertheless,
at his current power-level (not amped) he got stomped by Glads fair & square.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

BTW I think you're misinterpreting the meaning of being an Omega Level Mutant.
Being an Omega Level Mutant does not grant the character an automatic win. You have Alpha Level Mutants who are more powerful then Omega Level Mutants. Omega Level Mutants are explained as beings with unlimited potential, thing is they still have to reach that potential.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak

Being an Omega Level Mutant does not grant the character an automatic win. You have Alpha Level Mutants who are more powerful then Omega Level Mutants. Omega Level Mutants are explained as beings with unlimited [b]potential, thing is they still have to reach that potential. [/B]

Exactly. Elixir is an Omega-level mutant, but he's not defeating someone like SS anytime soon.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I noted he took out the I-Guard, but I was only focusing on Gladiator,
and that reason still doesn't take away from Gladiator winning this time,
legitimately.

I agree with you on your point below, so the "omega level" stamp is inconsequential,
but nevertheless,
at his current power-level (not amped) he got stomped by Glads fair & square.

That last bit is what I'd disagree on. Vulcan has a mind of a 13 year old. He was pretty much shell-shocked once he realized that his plan which he spent weeks formulating was worthless. I mean how would any whiney adolescent react to a situation like that.

Anyway I think you'll pretty much see the shoe on the other foot in the next Annihilation, if it does happen that Vulcan is the big bad.

I'm a big supporter of the Imperial Guard so I'm hoping they start gaining some respect especially when you look at half their powersets on paper.

Well Vulcan is an omega so he should be getting stronger with more practice and maturity.

I'd imagine he should be leagues stronger than he is.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well he was obviously too strong, and wasn't fast enough for a second attack. http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/4386/1uh8.jpg

Also forgetting this is an entire team vs a weakened Vulcan.

Originally posted by Troop
He could have shut off his powers or messed with his mind plenty of times before that.

Also forgetting this is an entire team vs a weakened Vulcan.

None of that matters, that doesn't meant Vulcan jobbed. Gladiator could have gone ftl and splattered Vulcan's brains, just because you don't use the height of your abilities doesn't mean you're jobbing.