Originally posted by Starscream MIs there?
there's a BIIIIIIIIG difference between knowing something and being a master at it
if you're not a master of an art, do you truly know how to do it? Or do you just know OF it?
Originally posted by Battlehammer
maybe.Todays generation I would says yes with out a doubt on average. Krava maga is one of the view styles used to day still for killing ( not to say others styles don't, just not on average).
maybe back in the day, but im not sure both were used for lethal forces. Both have there up and downs. Likly depend on the fighter.
Thing is Krav Magra's a simplified militarized style. So yes, it's very deadly and efficient for most comers. But, ancient practitioners were borderline metahumans with a wealth of chi manipulation.
Dunno how you're supposed to beat a guy that can burst your insides with a single palm strike.
Originally posted by jinzinThing is Krav Magra's a simplified militarized style. So yes, it's very deadly and efficient for most comers. But, ancient practitioners were borderline metahumans with a wealth of chi manipulation.
Dunno how you're supposed to beat a guy that can burst your insides with a single palm strike.
true haha forgot about that. some of thoses dam monks were out of controll.
you ever see that video of the monk who lit him self on fire in protest and did not even flinch as he burned to death.
ancient muy tia fighters were nuts. The elite did not even uses weapons in battle, they were so deadly they could kill trained armed soliders with there bare hands.
Originally posted by jinzin
Batman's not a better fighter than KK either. 😬He's at least twice as good. on a bad day. Half crippled.
That wasn't the case in this fight, talk what you know and respect the god dam Batman 😠
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Originally posted by jinzin
Lol I like how your scan discredits itself "he was slow"Why is Batman a better fighter? Black Panther is in the running for being on par with Cap to the point that thir fights are decided by plot devices only.
"He's better... be.. because he's Batman so he must be better" 🙄
How does this scan discredit anything? The point is that BP isn't as fast as Superman. So he won't hit Batman so easy neither.
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Batman clearly dodges Superman's flying punch.
And I don't Batman Better because he's Batman, this is why....
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If he can do this to Darkseid, Batman would do a lot to BP
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BP's suit isn't more durable than WW's skin.
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And I BP is not a better MA than Batman, Batman has more techniques. I've proved that over and over again.
Originally posted by jinzinof course there's a big difference. lets say I can do a certain grapple submission pretty well. I will prob be able to pull the move on most average fighters. But if someone really tough or knows the move can anticipate it, I prob can't pull it off. Now, if another guy is a master, then he has a much better chance of pulling off the move against tougher opponents. So while we both 'know' how to do a move, the degree of expertise makes a difference in our success rates. Hence, MK may be pretty good at pressure points, but Batman's superior at it and it makes a difference.
Is there?if you're not a master of an art, do you truly know how to do it? Or do you just know OF it?
Originally posted by BattlehammerYup, exactly.. there's a reason that the Japanese military had to resort to sheer overwhelming numbers to force martial artists underground. Militarized MA<< Hardcore martial artists.
true haha forgot about that. some of thoses dam monks were out of controll.you ever see that video of the monk who lit him self on fire in protest and did not even flinch as he burned to death.
ancient muy tia fighters were nuts. The elite did not even uses weapons in battle, they were so deadly they could kill trained armed soliders with there bare hands.
Originally posted by jinzinwouldn't the military be using guns and weapons? its not like the soldiers are going to engage in h2h combat
Yup, exactly.. there's a reason that the Japanese military had to resort to sheer overwhelming numbers to force martial artists underground. Militarized MA<< Hardcore martial artists.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
true haha forgot about that. some of thoses dam monks were out of controll.you ever see that video of the monk who lit him self on fire in protest and did not even flinch as he burned to death.
ancient muy tia fighters were nuts. The elite did not even uses weapons in battle, they were so deadly they could kill trained armed soliders with there bare hands.
Are you serious, take your monk conversation to another thread. This is about BP vs Batman, nothing more. You show great disrespect.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
That wasn't the case in this fight, talk what you know and respect the god dam Batman 😠http://img267.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfjk7.jpg
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What I know? Okay I know that KK in a real fight rips through starships and knocks out superman level characters with his bare hands.
I know that if Batman couldn't hang with an amnesic KK he certainly wouldn't fair well against one who wasn't.
I know that KK holds back on Batman and so does Wonderwoman so those aren't even close to legitimate examples of who Batman can really hang with. I know you're a batfanboy who's resistant to logic and reason outside of "batman wins".
Originally posted by thadarknite84
How does this scan discredit anything? The point is that BP isn't as fast as Superman. So he won't hit Batman so easy neither.http://img368.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdffl2.jpg
Batman clearly dodges Superman's flying punch.
You tried to make a case that Batman can dodge a superman punch. Batman acknowledges that Darksieds brainwashing made Superman slow...
Oh please, now you're going onto Spiderman fanboy territory. He can dodge stuff faster than A so A has no chance of hitting him.
Do I really need to star posting scans of streeters not even close to BP or Batman's level dodging stuff faster than either character can move? You've set up a case that Batman's fast, congrats.. unfortunately nothing he does is outside the scope of any regular street level so you haven't proved he's faster.
Originally posted by thadarknite84
And I don't Batman Better because he's Batman, this is why....http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfxi7.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfof4.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfzo0.jpgIf he can do this to Darkseid, Batman would do a lot to BP
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Because he beat on a young inexperienced version of aquaman? 😕
Black Panther's been able to go rounds with an experienced and older Namor.
Hell Cap's been able to take it to bricks more experienced than that when he got unfrozen.. That proves nothing.
Pffft.. He can make Darksied bleed, and BP can put SS in an armbar...
Originally posted by thadarknite84
BP's suit isn't more durable than WW's skin.http://img510.imageshack.us/my.php?image=asdfye8.jpg
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http://img219.imageshack.us/my.php?image=batmandarkvictory01page409be.jpgAnd I BP is not a better MA than Batman, Batman has more techniques. I've proved that over and over again.
Daredevil's taken brick punches WITHOUT a batsuit, and has put down bricks with pressure points too.. But I suppose Batman> Marvels established 1st tier street levels. 🙄
Originally posted by thadarknite84
BP has no physical advantages over Batman from what I see. All I hear is talk and no scans to prove that he's faster or stronger. And than people want to try to use Captain America as an example, stating that BP is no par with Cap as if Batman isn't.
I think people were saying BP is equal with Cap so Batman would not be a better fighter than BP.
Originally posted by Mindset
I think people were saying BP is equal with Cap so Batman would not be a better fighter than BP.
That would be ABC logic. Besides, as jizin said in a previous post, Cap and BP fights have always been decided by "circumstances" (probably in an attempt to keep them equals without ever showing who is truly the better).
I believe batman knows the most styles of combat of any street leveler (cept for maybe wolverine) on the forum, but I don't think it gives him a definite edge over guys like Cap, DD, or BP who have taken all the styles they've learned and crafted into their own unique style of combat (which of course batman doesn't know).
Barring all the PIS events of BP taking on Surfer and batman taking punches from Superman; I look at what he has been able to do when matched with Cap.
He has been able to weave/duck/dodge/move in, around, on top, and pretty much anywhere he wanted to in all of his cap fights win or lose. I view this as BP being faster and more agile then cap, while cap is stronger and more durable.
And since I believe BP is faster and more agile then BM; coupled with his unique style of combat which batman will have never fought against, that is what will give T'challa his edge over batman.
Batmans wealth traditional combat styles vs T'challa superior stats in unique style.
I still say they would spilt even, maybe a slight edge for T'challa (because he will be so hard for batman to read at first)
