Cops acquited after shooting of Sean Bell

Originally posted by inimalist
Up here we had a bunch of cops who would pick up drunk natives, beat them up, then leave them without socks or boots or jackets (whatever) in the middle of nowhere in a Canadian winter (out in manitoba/alberta, where it is cold as shit).

afaik, nothing was done (I think someone got fired... I'll look it up). Not as racist, but then there is the case of Alain Olivier.

Cops screw people over, and the rest of the system is institutionally established to allow them to circle the wagons and deflect the blame.

I couldn't have put it any better.

Originally posted by inimalist

indeed, most blacks aren't poor and most poor aren't blacks

however, when looking at percentages, like abject poverty or cyclical poverty, blacks are disproportionately represented, with a higher percentage of their race being in terrible economic conditions than other groups. Or, at least this is how it was explained to me.

That is indeed that case, but poor whites are the forgotten people ALMOST worse than the Native American. Poor whites are never discussed in any context. They are presented quickly during the times when presidential candidates roll by and forgotten for another 3 and half years.

It's really, really messed up.

Originally posted by chithappens
That is indeed that case, but poor whites are the forgotten people ALMOST worse than the Native American. Poor whites are never discussed in any context. They are presented quickly during the times when presidential candidates roll by and forgotten for another 3 and half years.

It's really, really messed up.

lol, the native american thing is really just an American phenomena. We have groups up here that pick up guns and shut down highways and railways with blockades or whatever. LOL, we have our own Bin Laden, a Mr. Shawn Brant.

but ya, I agree with the statement about white people. Poverty has almost becomes a 'cultural' thing of blacks, and nobody realizes that, numerically, there are far more whites in the exact same position (although, I might argue that inner-cities are a minority thing...). It certainly hurts any attempt to abolish poverty.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol, the native american thing is really just an American phenomena. We have groups up here that pick up guns and shut down highways and railways with blockades or whatever. LOL, we have our own Bin Laden, a Mr. Shawn Brant.

but ya, I agree with the statement about white people. Poverty has almost becomes a 'cultural' thing of blacks, and nobody realizes that, numerically, there are far more whites in the exact same position (although, I might argue that inner-cities are a minority thing...). It certainly hurts any attempt to abolish poverty.

Your assumption about the inner city is true. In urban areas, white people generally live on the outskirts (although this is changing now because they are starting to buy out downtown projects for cheap so they can renovate and up the market value; this pushes all poor people outside the city - basically "white flight"😉.

In the state of Tennessee, there is Memphis which is in the Southwestern part of the state. Most black people of Tenn stay in Memphis or Nashville (which is the middle of Tennessee). The rest of the state is basically country areas (besides the city of Knoxville and Chattanooga) where poor white people live. They still have Confederate flags. If I stop at gas stations in those areas, they still look at me like a cheetah walking on it's hind legs appeared out of nowhere. Right above Tennessee is the state of Kentucky, which is a very, very poor state.

It's amazing how much people who never get out the city do not know about this country.

Originally posted by chithappens
Your assumption about the inner city is true. In urban areas, white people generally live on the outskirts (although this is changing now because they are starting to buy out downtown projects for cheap so they can renovate and up the market value; this pushes all poor people outside the city - basically "white flight"😉.

In the state of Tennessee, there is Memphis which is in the Southwestern part of the state. Most black people of Tenn stay in Memphis or Nashville (which is the middle of Tennessee). The rest of the state is basically country areas (besides the city of Knoxville and Chattanooga) where poor white people live. They still have Confederate flags. If I stop at gas stations in those areas, they still look at me like a cheetah walking on it's hind legs appeared out of nowhere. Right above Tennessee is the state of Kentucky, which is a very, very poor state.

It's amazing how much people who never get out the city do not know about this country.

very interesting, and sad (especially about people renovating and upping the price of projects... not that I am challenging you, but do you have any examples?). The whole america/race thing is insane.

Originally posted by inimalist
very interesting, and sad (especially about people renovating and upping the price of projects... not that I am challenging you, but do you have any examples?). The whole america/race thing is insane.

By examples, do you mean particular cities?

White flgiht (Wiki link)

I can give some examples but I would have to cite from books and that takes a while. I don't know of any good internet sources off hand to point you to.

Lmao I turned the news on and first thing I saw was Al Sharpton pushing his agenda by taking advantage of the situation.

Yeah, that Sharpton fella is one media whore.

cops should have regular mandatory target practice. these guys were clearly idiots.

The point is generally being missed that the prosecution could not prove that the cops were guilty, not to say that they weren't guilty of anything.

Originally posted by Captain REX
The point is generally being missed that the prosecution could not prove that the cops were guilty, not to say that they weren't guilty of anything.

Originally posted by Captain REX
The point is generally being missed that the prosecution could not prove that the cops were guilty, not to say that they weren't guilty of anything.

There is not a whole lot to prove. Most folks aren't asking for a death sentence, but something...

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Trying to use newspapers sometimes printing lies as justifcation for chill posting a completely inaccurate title is quite strikingly silly.

Sometimes? The media uses sensationalistic headlines all the time; it's part of the game that gets people to notice them. If this guy wants to use the same tactics, then that's his prerogative however erroneous you may think it is. So, for you to edit the title is exactly what I called it.

Originally posted by Captain REX
The point is generally being missed that the prosecution could not prove that the cops were guilty, not to say that they weren't guilty of anything.

Getting off scott free seems like way too much no matter what the prosecution did or didn't do.

thats what happens when it cannot be proven without a reasonable doubt that they were guilty of a criminal act. killers go free every day because of this, but trust me the alternative to such a system would really suck.

Originally posted by Schecter
thats what happens when it cannot be proven without a reasonable doubt that they were guilty of a criminal act. killers go free every day because of this, but trust me the alternative to such a system would really suck.

Wasn't the simple level of overkill criminal?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Wasn't the simple level of overkill criminal?

no

ok, the ruling was that it wasn't malicious

why was it necessary? the police can unnecessarily though non-maliciously kill people?

so, these guys said they had a gun, there was a fight. The guys went to their car (where there were no guns), the cops approached (already with their guns drawn). One of the guys spots the cop, whether he identifies him as a cop or not, they drive off, hit the van, the cops rush in and......

in what sane reality does this end with 50 rounds being emptied into the car. If the guys had guns, there might be some argument, but these were unarmed individuals. There was never a point where the police had a really legitimate reason to think these guys were a real threat.

imho they were incompetent retards who put the lives of everyone within a bullet's flight radius in danger...50 times.

i feel that ALL police officers should be trained in firearms at the level of swat team.

Originally posted by Schecter
imho they were incompetent retards who put the lives of everyone within a bullet's flight radius in danger...50 times.

i feel that ALL police officers should be trained in firearms at the level of swat team.

well, i agree in the sense that a pistol should not serve as a panic button. just point in the general direction of danger and fire wildly while screaming and cursing. this is not how to responsibly handle a firearm.