Xavier takes on the top TP users

Started by AsbestosFlaygon6 pages

Exodus has resisted Xavier's TP.. he prob could still resist him, since both characters should be a lot stronger by now.

J'onn is one of the best pure telepaths in DC.

Emma was stalemating Exodus.

Xavier > Emma

Originally posted by redhotrash
Charles is a damn surgeon with his powers, I disagree with you.

He's a surgeon, she's a judo master.

Xavier was still adjusting to having his mind destroyed when he took out Exodus. Emma doesnt have a chance

In a straight TP battle Xavier clears this. Multi talented guys like MM and Exodus would DEMOLISH him in an anything goes battle tho X could possibly stand a chanse if he went all out (something he rarely does and may not be able to because of self imposed mental blocks)

Emma stalemating Exodus was PIS. That guy is a superbly skilled multi tasker. He was able to crush genosha with TP, mentally affect the entire population and combat two teams of heroes including Xavier all at once for christ`s sake.

He hasn't been written at Blood Ties levels in awhile.

could he beat Moondragon?

Battle 1) Manchester Black (Not sure he fluctuates a lot)
Battle 2) MoonDragon (Current) (Xavier 8/10)
Battle 3) Martian Manhunter (MM 7/10)
Battle 4) Emma (Xavier 5.5/10)
Battle 5) Exodus (Xavier 5/10) It was stated that Exodus wasn't even trying to battle/hurt him in Legacy.
Battle 6) Rachel Grey (Current) (Xavier 10/10)
Battle 7) Jean Grey (no Phoenix Force) (Xavier 6/10)

Originally posted by redhotrash
Emma has NOT always been considered to be on his level, I hate when people spread this nonsense. Charles wipes the floor with Emma. Theres no opinion to it.

Emma has always been on Charles Xavier's level.

Uncanny X-Men #129 - Easily takes out Storm, Wolverine and Colossus despite telepathic defenses taught by Xavier and Phoenix.
"Telepathic force bolt.. assaulting our minds! So... powerful"
"...but the outcome is never in doubt."
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3500/unc129takingdownxmen.jpg
(Later she also captures Xavier off-screen)

Uncanny X-Men #169 - In coma, Shaw speculates Xavier being behind it, as he's one of the few (or only) with sufficient power to accomplish it.
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7175/xmenclassic73006bz2.jpg
http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7245/xmenclassic73007vq0.jpg

New Mutants #15 - Hinted to be around Xavier-level.
"Possibly on par with Professor Xavier himself".
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3623/newmut15xavier.jpg
This is course just Illyana speculating, but it shows the writer had it in mind at the time.

UXM 281
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2306/uncannyxmen281078dxjz6.jpg

Uncanny X-Men #284 - Stated by both Xavier and Storm to be a telepath in Jean's class. Xavier said he should have felt a psychic as powerful as she pass away.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1617/uncanny284suchatelepath.jpg

Uncanny X-Men #312 - Xavier calls Emma Frost a Psi of the Highest Order.
Psi of the Highest Order
http://img260.imageshack.us/i/uncxmenv131222rougherpo8.jpg/

Uncanny X-Men #316 - tears apart the minds of some Phalanx.
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/8569/unc316tearsapartphalanx.jpg

Generation X era

She was stated to be a top-tier telepath several times during Generation X.

Generation X #16 - "a psion of enormous ability"
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8885/genx16enability.jpg

Generation X #30 - "A telepath of enormous power"
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8848/genx30enpower.jpg

Generation X #35 - "One of the most powerful telepaths on the planet"
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7956/genx35planet.jpg

Generation X #42 - "One of the most powerful psi talents on the planet"
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8325/genx42planet2.jpg

Morrison's view on the matter

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/580/99403317.png

That is, Emma and Jean (before she got grew into the Phoenix power too much as happened slowly during his run), were pretty evenly matched.

Modern times (post-Morrison)

(But before Fraction)

In recent times Mike Carey is the one who has pushed her most as the powerful telepath she's always been described as I think, he wrote that remote fight with Sinister as previously mentioned, as well as the stalemate with Exodus, and having Exodus include her among the top five telepaths currently around.

And Carey has always been known as a writer with a good knowledge of old X-continuity hasn't he? As well as having an ability to use it well.

X-Men #202 - among the top five telepaths
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/3594/xmen202fivetps.jpg

X-Men #205 - Sinister remote fight
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2480/xmen205sinisterremoteat.jpg
http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/2480/xmen205sinisterremoteat.jpg

X-Men #207 - Exodus stalemate
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/528/xmen207stalematingexodu.jpg

Secret Invasion X-Men #3 - Takes out a cadre of trained skrull telepaths blocking telepathic communications across the globe.
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/6504/sixmen003002db3.jpg
http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/1900/sixmen003003bh2.jpg
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/7637/sixmen003004tj2.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/7554/sixmen003007vg5.jpg

X-Men Legacy #216 - Takes Xavier on a guided tour in his mind (also said to have abilities rivaling those of Xavier on the recap page)
http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/2043/xmenlegacy216001pl8.jpg

X-Men Legacy Annual
Before it was common for MU telepaths to compare themselves with Xavier but this Z-lister compares himself to Emma, he still manages to mess pretty well with Gambit though.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/8167/xmenlegacyannualpage32.jpg

Wolverine 55
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2033/wolverine55000304su9.jpg

Weapon X
Saurons powers in his first appearance were described as greater then Mastermind and Mesmero combined IRRC.
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1038/weaponxsauron0106ul8.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/i/weaponxsauron0107mo7.jpg/

X-Man wasn't fully aware that his telepathic abilities returned after Psi-War but he did use them to locate Emma.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2609/xman05003yp8rc0.jpg

^ Moondragon?

Originally posted by Warlord
^ Moondragon?

It depends on the version you're using. Post-Annihilation is no where near as impressive as Pre-Annihilation. Current would lose IMO.

Nothing beats a little hyperbole to try and sprite up the whore's case.

Xavier > Emma 10/10

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Nothing beats a little hyperbole to try and sprite up the whore's case.

Xavier > Emma 10/10

Right that's how she blocked him in WWH and completely embarrassed him in Legacy even after he got an upgrade lulz.

Xavier wins by default

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Right that's how she blocked him in WWH and completely embarrassed him in Legacy even after he got an upgrade lulz.

Wow, WWH and Legacy, I lay here humbled by your epic counter.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wow, WWH and Legacy, I lay here humbled by your epic counter.

Yep upgraded Xavier isn't that impressive funny isn't it and that's the only time the two have ever come to blows. He must have thought her ideas >>> then his since she was the first to start a school for humans and mutants.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Yep upgraded Xavier isn't that impressive funny isn't it.

Upgraded Xavier has spent some time recovering from a bullet in the head. Emma should be able to relate.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Upgraded Xavier has spent some time recovering from a bullet in the head. Emma should be able to relate.

Upgraded Xavier was stitched up buy Exodus perfectly. The only reason he managed to break out of Exodus's illusion is because he forgot about all the terrible things he's done in the past. Emma put the rest of him back together in Legacy.

Of course she can relate. They've always been BFF's even in Gen X. They have so much in common, they both manipulate and send children out to die.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Upgraded Xavier was stitched up buy Exodus perfectly. The only reason he managed to break out of Exodus's illusion is because he forgot about all the terrible things he's done in the past.

Of course she can relate. They've always been BFF's even in Gen X.


Wow, yeah, you got me there. Xavier got out of Exodus' illusion, damn! Xavier sure sucks. This is just like losing to Exodus in a fight where Xavier is prepared. Hell, Emma can barely stand up to Martha, lmfao.

She can relate because she happened to take a shot in the face herself. Not the countless over the years as a whore, but the diamond bullet.

also:
don't people overestimate Jonn.
I mean I love the guy but for every great TP feat he has he get a really low one to compensate.

(unless you mean he can use his other powers too...so yeah he murders X)

lol