Originally posted by Frubba
It's physically impossible to fly around with underwear on the outside and wearing a cape. This is comics, not physics class. Wonder woman is horribly outmatched here. This is like Ike Turner vs. Tina Turner - Wonder Woman gets the pimp hand. 😆
Originally posted by fangirl101
this entire post smacks of an inability to concede. when the heck does most writers indicate a speed to which a superspeed fight takes place? it so plainly clear that you know NOTHING about wonder woman and thus you come up with this REDICULOUS statement that wonder woman gets hit by really slow people. any body who knows anything about wonder woman is that she fights with an honor code. she fights at the level of her opponents. or how the HELL do you think she's able to keep up with CHEETAH a superspeed being whom was AMPED by zoom. right. you can't. take a break, your tired.
Owning? All you have done is entirely show ur total unrestricted bias. During this entire debate you have time and time again proved your inability to read and evn interpret YOUR OWN FREAKIN SCANS!!!. If you could read you would have seen that i did not say a WRITER MUST indicate the speed of the fight, I said that there should at least be on panel evidence such as statements from the charcters themsleves or environmental indications which can help to understand the BLOODY TIME FRAME!!!. You say i know nothing about wonderwoman when it is so damn obvious that you have serious problems with simple comprehension. You say wonderwoman has Fighting speed and yet you post a fight of her against superman which IS NOT ONLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE HOW FAST THEY WERE GOING BUT THE ARTISTIC DEPICTION DOES NOT EVN SHOW THEM AS MOVING FAST!!!. So going by ur retard logic being able to keep up with someone who has fighting speed and normally does NOT use it and who at the given time is NOT EVN USING IT!!! means that you also must have fighting speed. ARe you evn reading what ur typing. I advise u to start typing in caps all the time again because it might actually help you to SEE the sort of utter rubbish ur typing.
In ur previous posts you showed ur inability to evn read the simplest of ENGLISH!!! by ignoring the fact that the battle speed i asked for was of her ENGAGING OTHER BEINGS IN DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT!!!! at superspeeds. This is because it is in this type of combat that her battle speed has been shown to be poor. You then provide a group of the most stupid and out of context scans ive have ever seen
If you dont want to look like a complete BUFFON!! I DARE you to evn try to defend some of the scans and staements you have made.
!. You provided an example of wonderwoman ramming into a being and then had the audacity to attempt to play with the intelligence of the people on this forum by calling it a speed blitz 😆 What madness!!
2. You actually tried to prove that because wonderwoman was fighting superman it meant that she was moving at superspeed evn though not only is there no evidence to base that upon, THEY DONT EVN LOOK LIKE THEY ARE MOVING FAST!!!!!. In ur infinte wisdom u then go to defend this nonsesical example by saying that the swoosh lines indicate speed!!!! 😱
3.It seems you had not had ur fill as you continued to bring up examples of wonderwoman flight speed. You then brougtht an example of wonderwoman stopping a monster from cheapshotting superman while his BACK WAS TURNED!!!! by hitting it and said that this showed her comabt speed because she reacted before superman could react. To make this evn more the strike was at close range and aside maybe in ur own eyes she did not evn look like she went at superspeed!!!
4.I see you could not control urself as you decided to proceed in ur foolish pursuit and u then started talking about how the hulk was just approaching wonderwoman and superman levels of strength. You use the example of the sentry and hulk only destroying a few blocks to defend yet another retarded point. However any sane person would know that this is just plain foolish as beings like the surfer and thor have been in fights against each other that did not evn cause as much damage as sentry hulk. I guess that means SS is less powerful right? 😂
As you continued to post ur posts just got dafter and dafter as you then tried to apply real world logic to comic books and attempted to discard the hulks palnet feat by saying that it should have not been possibel forgetting that the hulk HAS BIN PERFORMING SUCH FEATS THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE HISTORY just to name a few: Destroying an asteroid two times earth size with one punch, pushing apart the matter antimatter spheres, Destroying onslaughts armor while onslaught was at his most powerful which the combned effort of neraly all earths heroes could not in one punch, Punching through a time storm, And wrecking the entire eastern seaboard with a casual FOOTSTEP!!. Trying to rationalize the hulks feats by calling them physically impossible further showed ur total ineptitude considering that they happen extreemly often.
I once again DARE you to try and prove wonderwomans is stronger than WWH evn initially using arguments other than, what the hulk did should not be possible.
You then talked of her getting hit from a sun amped superman and well to the hulks credit most of marvel earth could not put him down and during the onslaught saga, he went blow for blow with a full powered onslaught ( and won!!) who was able to physically stop the juggernaut and send him across country when not evn at full power.
Lastly you talked about wonderwomans character and said that she gets hit by slower people because she fights at their level. Therefore in order to once and for all prove to YOu and anyone else that can reason the stupididty of ur arguments, since u say that wondy fights at the speed of her given opponenet, i challenge you for the VERY LAST TIME to show wondy fighting ( Direct physical combat) at superspeed.
I suspect that you will indeed fail to do this and further show ur inability to debate by givng more IRRELEVANT EXAMPLES. Indeed u r one of the worst debaters ive encountered on KMC if not the worst. 😆 😆 😆
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Owning? All you have done is entirely show ur total unrestricted bias. During this entire debate you have time and time again proved your inability to read and evn interpret YOUR OWN FREAKIN SCANS!!!. If you could read you would have seen that i did not say a WRITER MUST indicate the speed of the fight, I said that there should at least be on panel evidence such as statements from the charcters themsleves or environmental indications which can help to understand the BLOODY TIME FRAME!!!. You say i know nothing about wonderwoman when it is so damn obvious that you have serious problems with simple comprehension. You say wonderwoman has Fighting speed and yet you post a fight of her against superman which IS NOT ONLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE HOW FAST THEY WERE GOING BUT THE ARTISTIC DEPICTION DOES NOT EVN SHOW THEM AS MOVING FAST!!!. So going by ur retard logic being able to keep up with someone who has fighting speed and normally does NOT use it and who at the given time is NOT EVN USING IT!!! means that you also must have fighting speed. ARe you evn reading what ur typing. I advise u to start typing in caps all the time again because it might actually help you to SEE the sort of utter rubbish ur typing.In ur previous posts you showed ur inability to evn read the simplest of ENGLISH!!! by ignoring the fact that the battle speed i asked for was of her ENGAGING OTHER BEINGS IN DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT!!!! at superspeeds. This is because it is in this type of combat that her battle speed has been shown to be poor. You then provide a group of the most stupid and out of context scans ive have ever seen
If you dont want to look like a complete BUFFON!! I DARE you to evn try to defend some of the scans and staements you have made.
!. You provided an example of wonderwoman ramming into a being and then had the audacity to attempt to play with the intelligence of the people on this forum by calling it a speed blitz 😆 What madness!!
2. You actually tried to prove that because wonderwoman was fighting superman it meant that she was moving at superspeed evn though not only is there no evidence to base that upon, THEY DONT EVN LOOK LIKE THEY ARE MOVING FAST!!!!!. In ur infinte wisdom u then go to defend this nonsesical example by saying that the swoosh lines indicate speed!!!! 😱
3.It seems you had not had ur fill as you continued to bring up examples of wonderwoman flight speed. You then brougtht an example of wonderwoman stopping a monster from cheapshotting superman while his BACK WAS TURNED!!!! by hitting it and said that this showed her comabt speed because she reacted before superman could react. To make this evn more the strike was at close range and aside maybe in ur own eyes she did not evn look like she went at superspeed!!!
4.I see you could not control urself as you decided to proceed in ur foolish pursuit and u then started talking about how the hulk was just approaching wonderwoman and superman levels of strength. You use the example of the sentry and hulk only destroying a few blocks to defend yet another retarded point. However any sane person would know that this is just plain foolish as beings like the surfer and thor have been in fights against each other that did not evn cause as much damage as sentry hulk. I guess that means SS is less powerful right? 😂
As you continued to post ur posts just got dafter and dafter as you then tried to apply real world logic to comic books and attempted to discard the hulks palnet feat by saying that it should have not been possibel forgetting that the hulk HAS BIN PERFORMING SUCH FEATS THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE HISTORY just to name a few: Destroying an asteroid two times earth size with one punch, pushing apart the matter antimatter spheres, Destroying onslaughts armor while onslaught was at his most powerful which the combned effort of neraly all earths heroes could not in one punch, Punching through a time storm, And wrecking the entire eastern seaboard with a casual FOOTSTEP!!. Trying to rationalize the hulks feats by calling them physically impossible further showed ur total ineptitude considering that they happen extreemly often.
I once again DARE you to try and prove wonderwomans is stronger than WWH evn initially using arguments other than, what the hulk did should not be possible.You then talked of her getting hit from a sun amped superman and well to the hulks credit most of marvel earth could not put him down and during the onslaught saga, he went blow for blow with a full powered onslaught ( and won!!) who was able to physically stop the juggernaut and send him across country when not evn at full power.
Lastly you talked about wonderwomans character and said that she gets hit by slower people because she fights at their level. Therefore in order to once and for all prove to YOu and anyone else that can reason the stupididty of ur arguments, since u say that wondy fights at the speed of her given opponenet, i challenge you for the VERY LAST TIME to show wondy fighting ( Direct physical combat) at superspeed.
I suspect that you will indeed fail to do this and further show ur inability to debate by givng more IRRELEVANT EXAMPLES. Indeed u r one of the worst debaters ive encountered on KMC if not the worst. 😆 😆 😆
i'll get to this later. right now it seems that you have broken your wrist for patting yourself on the back.
Originally posted by ultimatethorThis is one detailed post explaining in vast details the flaws,errors if you will in the other posters logic.
Owning? All you have done is entirely show ur total unrestricted bias. During this entire debate you have time and time again proved your inability to read and evn interpret YOUR OWN FREAKIN SCANS!!!. If you could read you would have seen that i did not say a WRITER MUST indicate the speed of the fight, I said that there should at least be on panel evidence such as statements from the charcters themsleves or environmental indications which can help to understand the BLOODY TIME FRAME!!!. You say i know nothing about wonderwoman when it is so damn obvious that you have serious problems with simple comprehension. You say wonderwoman has Fighting speed and yet you post a fight of her against superman which IS NOT ONLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE HOW FAST THEY WERE GOING BUT THE ARTISTIC DEPICTION DOES NOT EVN SHOW THEM AS MOVING FAST!!!. So going by ur retard logic being able to keep up with someone who has fighting speed and normally does NOT use it and who at the given time is NOT EVN USING IT!!! means that you also must have fighting speed. ARe you evn reading what ur typing. I advise u to start typing in caps all the time again because it might actually help you to SEE the sort of utter rubbish ur typing.In ur previous posts you showed ur inability to evn read the simplest of ENGLISH!!! by ignoring the fact that the battle speed i asked for was of her ENGAGING OTHER BEINGS IN DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT!!!! at superspeeds. This is because it is in this type of combat that her battle speed has been shown to be poor. You then provide a group of the most stupid and out of context scans ive have ever seen
If you dont want to look like a complete BUFFON!! I DARE you to evn try to defend some of the scans and staements you have made.
!. You provided an example of wonderwoman ramming into a being and then had the audacity to attempt to play with the intelligence of the people on this forum by calling it a speed blitz 😆 What madness!!
2. You actually tried to prove that because wonderwoman was fighting superman it meant that she was moving at superspeed evn though not only is there no evidence to base that upon, THEY DONT EVN LOOK LIKE THEY ARE MOVING FAST!!!!!. In ur infinte wisdom u then go to defend this nonsesical example by saying that the swoosh lines indicate speed!!!! 😱
3.It seems you had not had ur fill as you continued to bring up examples of wonderwoman flight speed. You then brougtht an example of wonderwoman stopping a monster from cheapshotting superman while his BACK WAS TURNED!!!! by hitting it and said that this showed her comabt speed because she reacted before superman could react. To make this evn more the strike was at close range and aside maybe in ur own eyes she did not evn look like she went at superspeed!!!
4.I see you could not control urself as you decided to proceed in ur foolish pursuit and u then started talking about how the hulk was just approaching wonderwoman and superman levels of strength. You use the example of the sentry and hulk only destroying a few blocks to defend yet another retarded point. However any sane person would know that this is just plain foolish as beings like the surfer and thor have been in fights against each other that did not evn cause as much damage as sentry hulk. I guess that means SS is less powerful right? 😂
As you continued to post ur posts just got dafter and dafter as you then tried to apply real world logic to comic books and attempted to discard the hulks palnet feat by saying that it should have not been possibel forgetting that the hulk HAS BIN PERFORMING SUCH FEATS THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE HISTORY just to name a few: Destroying an asteroid two times earth size with one punch, pushing apart the matter antimatter spheres, Destroying onslaughts armor while onslaught was at his most powerful which the combned effort of neraly all earths heroes could not in one punch, Punching through a time storm, And wrecking the entire eastern seaboard with a casual FOOTSTEP!!. Trying to rationalize the hulks feats by calling them physically impossible further showed ur total ineptitude considering that they happen extreemly often.
I once again DARE you to try and prove wonderwomans is stronger than WWH evn initially using arguments other than, what the hulk did should not be possible.You then talked of her getting hit from a sun amped superman and well to the hulks credit most of marvel earth could not put him down and during the onslaught saga, he went blow for blow with a full powered onslaught ( and won!!) who was able to physically stop the juggernaut and send him across country when not evn at full power.
Lastly you talked about wonderwomans character and said that she gets hit by slower people because she fights at their level. Therefore in order to once and for all prove to YOu and anyone else that can reason the stupididty of ur arguments, since u say that wondy fights at the speed of her given opponenet, i challenge you for the VERY LAST TIME to show wondy fighting ( Direct physical combat) at superspeed.
I suspect that you will indeed fail to do this and further show ur inability to debate by givng more IRRELEVANT EXAMPLES. Indeed u r one of the worst debaters ive encountered on KMC if not the worst. 😆 😆 😆
Nicely done.
Originally posted by ultimatethorOk, let's look at the wonder woman superman fight shall we. Did you see the artist rendering of swoosh lines while wonder woman and superman where fighting? Just answer yes or no. Now did you notice how wonder woman was moving from one spot to another? You do realize that superman thought he was fighting doomsday who has been know to use his speed in all combat situations. so to even suggest that superman wasn't using super speed is rediculous given the history of superman and doomsday in one on one confrontations. are you reading what your typing? your actually suggesting that superman who is grief stricken over the loss of his wife, and trying to kill the being known as doomsday who routinely moves at superspeed isn't fighting at his best ability? rubbish. pure and simple
Owning? All you have done is entirely show ur total unrestricted bias. During this entire debate you have time and time again proved your inability to read and evn interpret YOUR OWN FREAKIN SCANS!!!. If you could read you would have seen that i did not say a WRITER MUST indicate the speed of the fight, I said that there should at least be on panel evidence such as statements from the charcters themsleves or environmental indications which can help to understand the BLOODY TIME FRAME!!!. You say i know nothing about wonderwoman when it is so damn obvious that you have serious problems with simple comprehension. You say wonderwoman has Fighting speed and yet you post a fight of her against superman which IS NOT ONLY IMPOSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY DETERMINE HOW FAST THEY WERE GOING BUT THE ARTISTIC DEPICTION DOES NOT EVN SHOW THEM AS MOVING FAST!!!. So going by ur retard logic being able to keep up with someone who has fighting speed and normally does NOT use it and who at the given time is NOT EVN USING IT!!! means that you also must have fighting speed. ARe you evn reading what ur typing. I advise u to start typing in caps all the time again because it might actually help you to SEE the sort of utter rubbish ur typing.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
In ur previous posts you showed ur inability to evn read the simplest of ENGLISH!!! by ignoring the fact that the battle speed i asked for was of her ENGAGING OTHER BEINGS IN DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT!!!! at superspeeds. This is because it is in this type of combat that her battle speed has been shown to be poor. You then provide a group of the most stupid and out of context scans ive have ever seen
Do you mean direct physical combat as in when she blocked nekron's lightning? tagged zoom? tagged flash? fought CHEETAH a superfast BEING? Those dont' count as direct physical combat?
Originally posted by ultimatethor
If you dont want to look like a complete BUFFON!! I DARE you to evn try to defend some of the scans and staements you have made.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
!. You provided an example of wonderwoman ramming into a being and then had the audacity to attempt to play with the intelligence of the people on this forum by calling it a speed blitz 😆 What madness!!
no. i provided wonder woman in not so close proximity to an uber powerful demon ramming into him. that would constitute a speed blitz since she caught him off guard. not so close proximity is always a STRONG indicator of speed blitz since the more distance between two people, the more reaction time is there. since he could not react, it would indicate her moving at a fairly high rate of speed.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
2. You actually tried to prove that because wonderwoman was fighting superman it meant that she was moving at superspeed evn though not only is there no evidence to base that upon, THEY DONT EVN LOOK LIKE THEY ARE MOVING FAST!!!!!. In ur infinte wisdom u then go to defend this nonsesical example by saying that the swoosh lines indicate speed!!!! 😱
do tell us, what other indicators of speed does an artist do besides phade lines or phaded and added body parts? Swoosh lines have ALWAYS been an indicator of speed. you know the intent of the artist so well, tell us, what were the swoosh lines there for?
Originally posted by ultimatethor
3.It seems you had not had ur fill as you continued to bring up examples of wonderwoman flight speed. You then brougtht an example of wonderwoman stopping a monster from cheapshotting superman while his BACK WAS TURNED!!!! by hitting it and said that this showed her comabt speed because she reacted before superman could react. To make this evn more the strike was at close range and aside maybe in ur own eyes she did not evn look like she went at superspeed!!!
Originally posted by ultimatethoractually, hulk is just now approaching superman and wonder woman's lvls becuz he just is. i've never seen him do anything to suggest he normally operates any where near thier lvls. in his anger he may do somethings that approach thier lvl, but he normally is so far below them in my opinion that he is just now where he should be. oh and surfer and thor are both in thier right minds. they aren't psycho and would be much more concience and in control of thier power. sentry and hulk were both nut jobs, and yet they only creamed a few blocks. yeah, ok.
4.I see you could not control urself as you decided to proceed in ur foolish pursuit and u then started talking about how the hulk was just approaching wonderwoman and superman levels of strength. You use the example of the sentry and hulk only destroying a few blocks to defend yet another retarded point. However any sane person would know that this is just plain foolish as beings like the surfer and thor have been in fights against each other that did not evn cause as much damage as sentry hulk. I guess that means SS is less powerful right? 😂
Originally posted by ultimatethor
As you continued to post ur posts just got dafter and dafter as you then tried to apply real world logic to comic books and attempted to discard the hulks palnet feat by saying that it should have not been possibel forgetting that the hulk HAS BIN PERFORMING SUCH FEATS THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE HISTORY just to name a few: Destroying an asteroid two times earth size with one punch, pushing apart the matter antimatter spheres, Destroying onslaughts armor while onslaught was at his most powerful which the combned effort of neraly all earths heroes could not in one punch, Punching through a time storm, And wrecking the entire eastern seaboard with a casual FOOTSTEP!!. Trying to rationalize the hulks feats by calling them physically impossible further showed ur total ineptitude considering that they happen extreemly often.
I once again DARE you to try and prove wonderwomans is stronger than WWH evn initially using arguments other than, what the hulk did should not be possible.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
You then talked of her getting hit from a sun amped superman and well to the hulks credit most of marvel earth could not put him down and during the onslaught saga, he went blow for blow with a full powered onslaught ( and won!!) who was able to physically stop the juggernaut and send him across country when not evn at full power.
Originally posted by ultimatethorfind any cheetah fight for reference. thanks.
Lastly you talked about wonderwomans character and said that she gets hit by slower people because she fights at their level. Therefore in order to once and for all prove to YOu and anyone else that can reason the stupididty of ur arguments, since u say that wondy fights at the speed of her given opponenet, i challenge you for the VERY LAST TIME to show wondy fighting ( Direct physical combat) at superspeed.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
I suspect that you will indeed fail to do this and further show ur inability to debate by givng more IRRELEVANT EXAMPLES. Indeed u r one of the worst debaters ive encountered on KMC if not the worst. 😆 😆 😆
Originally posted by fangirl101
Ok, let's look at the wonder woman superman fight shall we. Did you see the artist rendering of swoosh lines while wonder woman and superman where fighting? Just answer yes or no. Now did you notice how wonder woman was moving from one spot to another? You do realize that superman thought he was fighting doomsday who has been know to use his speed in all combat situations. so to even suggest that superman wasn't using super speed is rediculous given the history of superman and doomsday in one on one confrontations. are you reading what your typing? your actually suggesting that superman who is grief stricken over the loss of his wife, and trying to kill the being known as doomsday who routinely moves at superspeed isn't fighting at his best ability? rubbish. pure and simple
Do you mean direct physical combat as in when she blocked nekron's lightning? tagged zoom? tagged flash? fought CHEETAH a superfast BEING? Those dont' count as direct physical combat?no. i provided wonder woman in not so close proximity to an uber powerful demon ramming into him. that would constitute a speed blitz since she caught him off guard. not so close proximity is always a STRONG indicator of speed blitz since the more distance between two people, the more reaction time is there. since he could not react, it would indicate her moving at a fairly high rate of speed.
wonder woman constantly has shown to be nearly physically the match of people like superman, captain marvel. she's bitched supergirl, who has bitched the league. she's held half of the weight of the spectre, whom was so heavy that he made superman struggle. and before you talk about how the wieght didn't effect the moon, we already know that once the spectre touches the ground, the mortal plane, he doesn't cause instant destruction. oh and the spectre calls her and superman two of the mightest beings in ALL of creation. if she were that much down the food chain as you'd have us believe, certainly she wouldn't be included in the statement.
Next to the point of wonderwoman engaging in direct physical combat. As i said anyone who can reason and is not overtly biased can see that you provided no example/scan showing this. Now for your current examples, blocking nekrons lightning is NOT an example of direct PHYSICAL combat. Further her tagging zoom and tagging flash is no different from thor tagging silver surfer, tagging gladiator, hulk tagging quicksilver or going by your logic hulk tagging the sentry. Tagging a person does NOT mean that you can enter into a sustained physical combat at extreemly high speeds with that person. VERY SIMPLE!!!
As for the thing about cheetah, it seems by now that you still do not know that a being can be superfast and not FIGHT( direct physical combat at superfast speeds) superfast. Just because you fight a superfast being you can fight at superspeeds? Well then i guess the hulk and thor can also fight at superspeeds as well as they fight superfast beings all the time. 🙄 What you are saying does not evn qualify as logic, cuz ur statements arise from unbelevable bias and nothing more.
Now to the evn more laughable defence of some of ur statements. You are actually trying to say that because wonderwoman was able to ram a demon she speedblitzed him? Are you insane?. Can you account for the reaction speed of the demon?.. Flying into a being is what you consider a speedblitz? 😕 Well the sentry did ram the hulk in their battle so i guess he speedblitzed him as well. And also during their battle the hulk fist met the sentry head on during one of the instances that the sentry tried to Ram/Blitz him so i suppose he blocked on oncoming speedblitz from a being that can move faster than light. 🙁 Absolutely pitiful.
Now to more of that swoosh line rubbish. IT seems that your unending bias has stopped you from seeing the obvious so in my kindness i will once again explain a concept that anyone with a mind should understand. The swoosh lines in the picture were simply to indicate FLIGHT!!! NOT SUPERSPEED BUT FLIGHT!!!! nearly evry being that flies has them. The sentry, wonderman, superman, Storm, thor and heck evn the hulk when he jumps has those same type of lines. Lines like that are normal indicators of flight or movement from place to place. Even punches have those same type of lines.!!! To suddenly assume speed simply shows your heavy bias. Faded lines and body parts indeed have always bin used as indicators of speed but these lines are of different types nd hence will have different meanings. Not ALL faded lines are proof of superspeed.
The same concept applies in your next evn more foolish example. Superman had his back turned and she simply hit the monster before it could hit superman. The monster was evn at close range!!! Just because she hit the monster does not mean it was automatically at superspeed. I suppose you might want to use your lines logic{ sorry did not mean to call it logic} to prove that the hit was at superspeed. 😂
Saying that hulk is just now approaching superman and wonderwoman levels of strength just shows ignorance of the character. In battle the normal savagew hulk has bin shown to be able to physically overcome the likes of thor. Or is thor also nowhere enar superman and wonderwoman levels of strength? When hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth he was grey hulk!!!. When he overcame forces enough strong enough to change the orbit of the planet!! brought on him by the supremely powerful stranger he was not evn that angry. When he overcame the matter antimatter inertial mass using his strength he was not evn angry at ALL!! He has evn punched through the fabric of a dimension by punching through a timestorm. Yes those do qualiify as at least equal and some evn above superman level feats.
Using the amount of damage done in a fight to judge a persons strength is something so foolish only u could do it. For one neither the hulk nor the sentry wanted to kill innocents so contrary to ur fallacious belief they were not trying to destroy everything in their surroundings. Also the amount of destruction in a fight depends on the nature of the powers of the two combaatnts. If the person is able to focues his power on one target then he will drastically reduce the amount iof damage o the environment. The hulk being a purely physical being was trying to concentrate on taking out the sentry hence his hits would be focused on the sentry and the effect of his hits would be felt mainly by the sentry!! An example of this can be seen during the hulk onslaught fight, This was a fight between to extreemly powerful beings but the damge done did not evn equal the damge done by the hulk and the sentry. Also the damage done in a fight depends on the intricacies of the actual combat. In a fight between the hulk and abomination they fought into a river dam destroyed the dam and hence the surrounding towns were flooded
and destroyed. In another fight the writer could make it that hulk and abomination wont go close to a dam hence no flood. A writer could make the hulk throw his opponent through numerous amounts of buildings killing thousands and thereby wrecking the city or he could make the hulk simply punch his opponent until he is koed causing little or no damage. . The writer could also make the sentry land nearly all his enrgy blasts or without hitting the environment or could make him miss alot of them thereby destroying a large part of the environment. Whateevr the scenario the simple point is that the level of damage lies in the hands of the writer so to make judgemnts about a characters strength from it is just foolish
And now to the onsluaght feat. Nowhere was it said by the writer or by onslught in the comic or anywhere else that onsluaght somehow weakened his armour so that the hulk could crack it. Yes indeed onslaughts goal was to achieeve a pure enrgy form but he used the hulk to achieve it. Does not take away from the fact that the hulk took numerous punches from a full powered onsluaght. Onslughjt used the hulk because he knew that the hulk would be able to take the force of his blows and would be able to crack the armour. Considering that a far less powerful onslught( who had not yet absorbed franklin) was able to physically stop juggernaut and send him across a continent, for the hulk to be able to take him on physically is an unbelevable feat. Not to metion the BEYONDER said that hulk was an infinity of pwer.
An analogy from a SOCK about a pile pf poo carrys no weight at all and with this kind of debating it is obvious why u were banned. But because you provided a few laughs, I will leave you with some advice.
1. Neva post scans when you cant interpret them
2. Try to read what ur typing b4 posting( it helps a lot)
3. The most important of all is NEVA debate with a NIGERIAN!!, You cant win and it is futile to evn try
Originally posted by ultimatethorall of this poo just to show bias and an arrogance with no substance. did you explain to us the MULTIPLE speed lines, and the many directions that wonder woman happened to be fighting at. You can also explain how wonder woman a tacticle fighter, would NOT fight superman, a known speedster, at super speed. please enlighten us. an no, thor has never in my opinion, been as strong as superman or wonder woman. his most impressive strength feat of moving a snake was unimpressive to me to say the least. insults being thrown around only provide more fuel that you are unable to discredit wonder woman's superspeed in battle scenarios. you still have YET TO DISCREDIT THE FACT THAT DEFENSE IS PART OF COMBAT and she has shown FASTER THAN LIGHT speed in that regard for decades. now go sit in a corner and mull over the fact that no matter how you spit, bark, yell, insult, and carry on, wonder woman still has battle speed feats. and if you don't think so, look up hermes, and how well he fights at superspeed. now who does she get her speed from? hmmmm?
LAUGHABLE!!! . You are now claiming that because superman was fighting doomsday and was going all out that he must have been fighting at superspeed right? 💃 First of all if you think that just because he is said to be going all out he is fighting at superspeed speed when as I said before evn the artistic depiction does not show it then you really have a problem. For you it seems those swoosh lines in the picture are proof enough of superspeed which is absolutely unbeleivable. During the sentry hulk fight, sentry was said to be going all out and he also had the same sort of "swoosh lines" behind him when he attacked the hulk. I guess it automatically means he was using superspeed which also means that because the hulk was keeping up with him he must aslo have great battle speed. Just plainly foolish. Evn if a being is said to be going all out if there is no proof of speed then it is purely stupid to assume that he is using speed to fight.Next to the point of wonderwoman engaging in direct physical combat. As i said anyone who can reason and is not overtly biased can see that you provided no example/scan showing this. Now for your current examples, blocking nekrons lightning is NOT an example of direct PHYSICAL combat. Further her tagging zoom and tagging flash is no different from thor tagging silver surfer, tagging gladiator, hulk tagging quicksilver or going by your logic hulk tagging the sentry. Tagging a person does NOT mean that you can enter into a sustained physical combat at extreemly high speeds with that person. VERY SIMPLE!!!
As for the thing about cheetah, it seems by now that you still do not know that a being can be superfast and not FIGHT( direct physical combat at superfast speeds) superfast. Just because you fight a superfast being you can fight at superspeeds? Well then i guess the hulk and thor can also fight at superspeeds as well as they fight superfast beings all the time. 🙄 What you are saying does not evn qualify as logic, cuz ur statements arise from unbelevable bias and nothing more.
Now to the evn more laughable defence of some of ur statements. You are actually trying to say that because wonderwoman was able to ram a demon she speedblitzed him? Are you insane?. Can you account for the reaction speed of the demon?.. Flying into a being is what you consider a speedblitz? 😕 Well the sentry did ram the hulk in their battle so i guess he speedblitzed him as well. And also during their battle the hulk fist met the sentry head on during one of the instances that the sentry tried to Ram/Blitz him so i suppose he blocked on oncoming speedblitz from a being that can move faster than light. 🙁 Absolutely pitiful.
Now to more of that swoosh line rubbish. IT seems that your unending bias has stopped you from seeing the obvious so in my kindness i will once again explain a concept that anyone with a mind should understand. The swoosh lines in the picture were simply to indicate FLIGHT!!! NOT SUPERSPEED BUT FLIGHT!!!! nearly evry being that flies has them. The sentry, wonderman, superman, Storm, thor and heck evn the hulk when he jumps has those same type of lines. Lines like that are normal indicators of flight or movement from place to place. Even punches have those same type of lines.!!! To suddenly assume speed simply shows your heavy bias. Faded lines and body parts indeed have always bin used as indicators of speed but these lines are of different types nd hence will have different meanings. Not ALL faded lines are proof of superspeed.
The same concept applies in your next evn more foolish example. Superman had his back turned and she simply hit the monster before it could hit superman. The monster was evn at close range!!! Just because she hit the monster does not mean it was automatically at superspeed. I suppose you might want to use your lines logic{ sorry did not mean to call it logic} to prove that the hit was at superspeed. 😂Saying that hulk is just now approaching superman and wonderwoman levels of strength just shows ignorance of the character. In battle the normal savagew hulk has bin shown to be able to physically overcome the likes of thor. Or is thor also nowhere enar superman and wonderwoman levels of strength? When hulk destroyed an asteroid twice the size of earth he was grey hulk!!!. When he overcame forces enough strong enough to change the orbit of the planet!! brought on him by the supremely powerful stranger he was not evn that angry. When he overcame the matter antimatter inertial mass using his strength he was not evn angry at ALL!! He has evn punched through the fabric of a dimension by punching through a timestorm. Yes those do qualiify as at least equal and some evn above superman level feats.
Using the amount of damage done in a fight to judge a persons strength is something so foolish only u could do it. For one neither the hulk nor the sentry wanted to kill innocents so contrary to ur fallacious belief they were not trying to destroy everything in their surroundings. Also the amount of destruction in a fight depends on the nature of the powers of the two combaatnts. If the person is able to focues his power on one target then he will drastically reduce the amount iof damage o the environment. The hulk being a purely physical being was trying to concentrate on taking out the sentry hence his hits would be focused on the sentry and the effect of his hits would be felt mainly by the sentry!! An example of this can be seen during the hulk onslaught fight, This was a fight between to extreemly powerful beings but the damge done did not evn equal the damge done by the hulk and the sentry. Also the damage done in a fight depends on the intricacies of the actual combat. In a fight between the hulk and abomination they fought into a river dam destroyed the dam and hence the surrounding towns were flooded
and destroyed. In another fight the writer could make it that hulk and abomination wont go close to a dam hence no flood. A writer could make the hulk throw his opponent through numerous amounts of buildings killing thousands and thereby wrecking the city or he could make the hulk simply punch his opponent until he is koed causing little or no damage. . The writer could also make the sentry land nearly all his enrgy blasts or without hitting the environment or could make him miss alot of them thereby destroying a large part of the environment. Whateevr the scenario the simple point is that the level of damage lies in the hands of the writer so to make judgemnts about a characters strength from it is just foolishAnd now to the onsluaght feat. Nowhere was it said by the writer or by onslught in the comic or anywhere else that onsluaght somehow weakened his armour so that the hulk could crack it. Yes indeed onslaughts goal was to achieeve a pure enrgy form but he used the hulk to achieve it. Does not take away from the fact that the hulk took numerous punches from a full powered onsluaght. Onslughjt used the hulk because he knew that the hulk would be able to take the force of his blows and would be able to crack the armour. Considering that a far less powerful onslught( who had not yet absorbed franklin) was able to physically stop juggernaut and send him across a continent, for the hulk to be able to take him on physically is an unbelevable feat. Not to metion the BEYONDER said that hulk was an infinity of pwer.
An analogy from a SOCK about a pile pf poo carrys no weight at all and with this kind of debating it is obvious why u were banned. But because you provided a few laughs, I will leave you with some advice.
1. Neva post scans when you cant interpret them
2. Try to read what ur typing b4 posting( it helps a lot)
3. The most important of all is NEVA debate with a NIGERIAN!!, You cant win and it is futile to evn try
Originally posted by fangirl101
all of this poo just to show bias and an arrogance with no substance. did you explain to us the MULTIPLE speed lines, and the many directions that wonder woman happened to be fighting at. You can also explain how wonder woman a tacticle fighter, would NOT fight superman, a known speedster, at super speed. please enlighten us. an no, thor has never in my opinion, been as strong as superman or wonder woman. his most impressive strength feat of moving a snake was unimpressive to me to say the least. insults being thrown around only provide more fuel that you are unable to discredit wonder woman's superspeed in battle scenarios. you still have YET TO DISCREDIT THE FACT THAT DEFENSE IS PART OF COMBAT and she has shown FASTER THAN LIGHT speed in that regard for decades. now go sit in a corner and mull over the fact that no matter how you spit, bark, yell, insult, and carry on, wonder woman still has battle speed feats. and if you don't think so, look up hermes, and how well he fights at superspeed. now who does she get her speed from? hmmmm?
Someone like you calling another person biased? How ironic. And yeah maybe ur right about the arrogance 😄 but i cant help it considering the extremely poor quality of ur arguments but really it seems ur right about absolutely nothing else. I have patiently refuted nearly all of your stupid arguments and it seems that after ive refuted u from one angle you change to the next angle. Now i will focus on the arguments you brought up in your post above as it seems that thankfully you have decided to forget about some of your absolutely nonsensical arguments.
First of what in your irritating bias u call " multiple speed lines" are simply lines indicating movement from place to place. They are evident in many comics( just go and pick up a spiderman versus dardevil fight) and in truth they are not SPEED lines at all. Those lines do NOT indicate superspeed but indicate flying from place to place during the battle. It is pure lunacy to think that just because a battle is not taking place in a stationary position and is moving from place to place that it must be taking place at superspeed. VERY SIMPLE !!!
Next your point about tactical fighting simply shows your high level of confusion. The main point of the argument is to determine whether wonderwoman has battle speed or not. Because the argument is still ongoing( and you are losing badly) you cannot say that because she is a tactical fighter she must be fighting at superspeed when you are still trying to prove that she has that ability. Further it has not been proven that the fight was taking place at superspeed or that superman was attacking her at super speeds as i have explained in the paragraph above and in previous posts. Therefore saying that her being a tactical fighter means she must fight at superspeeds is RIDICULOUS as her tactical fighting and her actual ability( in this case fighting at superspeed) to do something CANNOT be interchanged. VERY SIMPLE!!!
Moreover you saying that thor lifting the midgard serpent is unimpressive is as a result of your bias considering the mass of the midgard serpent( able to shake the earth). Thats besides the point anyway as the genral unbiased opinion is that thor is around superman and wonderwomans level strengthwise.
Now here comes the irritating part, After totally failing to prove that wonderwoman all of your foolish points, you have now retreated to an argument that i treated in detail a few posts back. I gladly admitted that wonderwomans defensive combat speed in blocking attacks such as lasers and lightning and also in deflecting all sorts of objects is superb. However you have ONCE AGAIN failed to read or recall the part where i asked for her showing these types of reactions in DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT with another being. This is because it is in THIS DEPARTMENT that she is sorely lacking and it is THIS DEPARTMENT that will be vital against WWH. is that clear enough for you? Do you need it to be made any simpler? You have failed to provide evn one example of this instead provide completely and embarrassingly irrelevant examples which i have patiently refuted. As for your last satement it simply shows an ultra high level of desperation as instead of trying to provide a relevant example, you go to talk about hermes whom wonderwoman gets her speed from and then make the insane assumption that wonderwoman must be able to fight at superspeed because of this yet you provide no on panel evidence of this regarding wonderwoman! As i have said before in comics we use ON PANEL EVIDENCE to draw conclusions and NOT what we think should be possible. VERY SIMPLE !!!
After your continuous failure to prove anything you then begin to claim victory while evn when i asked you to try and prove some of your absurd points, you failed to do so horribly. You really are a pitiful debater and frankly are a waste of my time. 🙁
Originally posted by ultimatethor
Someone like you calling another person biased? How ironic. And yeah maybe ur right about the arrogance 😄 but i cant help it considering the extremely poor quality of ur arguments but really it seems ur right about absolutely nothing else. I have patiently refuted nearly all of your stupid arguments and it seems that after ive refuted u from one angle you change to the next angle. Now i will focus on the arguments you brought up in your post above as it seems that thankfully you have decided to forget about some of your absolutely nonsensical arguments.First of what in your irritating bias u call " multiple speed lines" are simply lines indicating movement from place to place. They are evident in many comics( just go and pick up a spiderman versus dardevil fight) and in truth they are not SPEED lines at all. Those lines do NOT indicate superspeed but indicate flying from place to place during the battle. It is pure lunacy to think that just because a battle is not taking place in a stationary position and is moving from place to place that it must be taking place at superspeed. VERY SIMPLE !!!
Next your point about tactical fighting simply shows your high level of confusion. The main point of the argument is to determine whether wonderwoman has battle speed or not. Because the argument is still ongoing( and you are losing badly) you cannot say that because she is a tactical fighter she must be fighting at superspeed when you are still trying to prove that she has that ability. Further it has not been proven that the fight was taking place at superspeed or that superman was attacking her at super speeds as i have explained in the paragraph above and in previous posts. Therefore saying that her being a tactical fighter means she must fight at superspeeds is RIDICULOUS as her tactical fighting and her actual ability( in this case fighting at superspeed) to do something CANNOT be interchanged. VERY SIMPLE!!!
Moreover you saying that thor lifting the midgard serpent is unimpressive is as a result of your bias considering the mass of the midgard serpent( able to shake the earth). Thats besides the point anyway as the genral unbiased opinion is that thor is around superman and wonderwomans level strengthwise.
Now here comes the irritating part, After totally failing to prove that wonderwoman all of your foolish points, you have now retreated to an argument that i treated in detail a few posts back. I gladly admitted that wonderwomans defensive combat speed in blocking attacks such as lasers and lightning and also in deflecting all sorts of objects is superb. However you have ONCE AGAIN failed to read or recall the part where i asked for her showing these types of reactions in DIRECT PHYSICAL COMBAT with another being. This is because it is in THIS DEPARTMENT that she is sorely lacking and it is THIS DEPARTMENT that will be vital against WWH. is that clear enough for you? Do you need it to be made any simpler? You have failed to provide evn one example of this instead provide completely and embarrassingly irrelevant examples which i have patiently refuted. As for your last satement it simply shows an ultra high level of desperation as instead of trying to provide a relevant example, you go to talk about hermes whom wonderwoman gets her speed from and then make the insane assumption that wonderwoman must be able to fight at superspeed because of this yet you provide no on panel evidence of this regarding wonderwoman! As i have said before in comics we use ON PANEL EVIDENCE to draw conclusions and NOT what we think should be possible. VERY SIMPLE !!!
After your continuous failure to prove anything you then begin to claim victory while evn when i asked you to try and prove some of your absurd points, you failed to do so horribly. You really are a pitiful debater and frankly are a waste of my time. 🙁
great post and yet again fangirl gets owned again. Wonder woman have next to no combat speed and if you do find some its might be like 2 or 3 out of the 50 to 60 years that she have been out which isnt enough to say that a being have combat speed. She is a brick just like superman and hulk and Thor along with other beings are bricks. She along with the others that I have named have other powers at her disposal but yet again is still a brick.
People fail to realize what combat speed is and use flight speed as a term of combat speed. She have fail to prove any kind of combat speed against people in hulks caliber and would get decimated by him. Shaggy man up to titus has whooped her a** and hulk would be next on the list. Wonder woman has been crushed by bricks and it wont change with hulk. I wish people stop giving her abilities that she just dont have and again stop using flight speed as combat speed because it is totally different.
Originally posted by fangirl101
is he stronger than an angry zeus, or a sun amped enraged superman? i think not.
Once you show me a sun amped superman holding a planet together with nothing but strength then yes I think wwh is miles above superman. When you show me a sun amped superman foot step creating a earth quake around half of the planet and a single foot step almost destroying a planet, then yes Im thinking that wwh is miles stronger then him. Once you show me superman strength being compared to something in a celestial range like wwh strength was compare to then again wwh is miles stronger then superman. A sun amped superman must not be that strong since he still couldnt bring wonder woman down but titus one shotted her, despero one shotted her, shaggy man one shotted her, the general one shotted her but she held back from a amped superman. WWh one shot the hell out of her and gets a easy win.
To make you feel better, I dont think that wonderwoman is the only being that wwh could one shot.
Originally posted by carver9
Once you show me a sun amped superman holding a planet together with nothing but strength then yes I think wwh is miles above superman. When you show me a sun amped superman foot step creating a earth quake around half of the planet and a single foot step almost destroying a planet, then yes Im thinking that wwh is miles stronger then him. Once you show me superman strength being compared to something in a celestial range like wwh strength was compare to then again wwh is miles stronger then superman. A sun amped superman must not be that strong since he still couldnt bring wonder woman down but titus one shotted her, despero one shotted her, shaggy man one shotted her, the general one shotted her but she held back from a amped superman. WWh one shot the hell out of her and gets a easy win.To make you feel better, I dont think that wonderwoman is the only being that wwh could one shot.
i really don't care WHAT you think. Or how I feel. I care for the facts. Oblvion didn't one shot her. Despero didn't one shot her. if you look at the fight, it was an on going fight, that eventually lead to her, superman, and captain marvel being pwned. and captain marvel can take shots from imperiex. wwh, was this powerful and yet couldn't pwn juggernaut. pis. besides, a sun amped superman took on the whole justice league at one point. sun amped superman would pwn wwh with ease. wwh, could do all of this, and yet, could not easily put down sentry, who had trouble with ultron, and a helicarrier. it's all about perspective. something i have plenty of.