Wonderwoman vs WWH( fist fight)

Originally posted by fangirl101
dear dear dear. where do i begin.
Fact: wonder woman has on occasion blocked light speed attacks from multiple directions. this means she was moving her arms in punch like fashion with pin point accuracy and top tier hand eye coordination. of course if she is being attacked this would be COMBAT that she is in and thus, reacting at FTL speeds in COMBAT situations.
Let's look at a couple of things that may not be obvious to the casual wonder woman reader but, to one such as i, the fangirl101: it is plain as day. In the scan below, FLASH is asking what happened to wonder woman. this would indicate that she moved so fast, and he was preoccupied as well, as he didn't catch what happened to her. martian manhunter is using martian vision and gl is using his ring to make a telescope, illustrated by the telescopic green circle, to indicate that she is some distance off the planet. where am i going with this? well, wonder woman was fast enough to forcibly fight, as in combat, a white martian off world in less than a few seconds. she moved at faster than escape velocity, much faster, while battling a being who is described as strong and tuff as superman in the story arc. that is a combat speed feat. oh, and then she returns to the planet in less than a second flat after she beats up on primaid. another speed feat.

now, on to the next COMBAT speed feat. in the scan below, wonder woman is blocking pieces of the shattered god's light particles, in sustained combat. she's protecting herself and the other gods from the shattered god. and the shards are compared to the power of a small star. take a gander at her hands. they are moving at ftl speeds in a FIST position. if one didn't know that she was defending, it would look as if she were pummeling him. you know why? becuz it is no stretch at all, to see that she could pummel someone with the same speed and accuracy that she blocks. actually it would be easier as she would only have one target. when she's blocking, she has multiple targets in multiple directions.

in this next scan, wonder woman speed blitzes the uber powerful white demon.

in this next scan, please note the swoosh lines drawn about wonder woman. swoosh indicates some measure of speed. i'm not saying that it's light speed. but it's clear that she and superman are trading blows at an accelerated pace. this is another combat scene.

Now if you dont' think wonder woman can strike at superspeed, then take a gander at what she did with her foot while fighting doomsday superman

wonder woman moves at superspeed to fight a demon before superman can react IN COMBAT

need i go on, or have you had enough. it's clearly clear, that you didn't know that wonder woman has fought in superspeed mode. fangirl101, game, set, match!!!

only one of these scans show combat speed (the blocking energy bolt from gods in all directions) the rest is just flight speed (oh and the foot thing too is super speed)

I do believe that ww does have combat speed the problem is, is that she rarly ever shows it. With non speedsters that have superspeed their powers should be explained as having to go into a speed like state that they have to switch on like an energy beam that would make comics make a little more sence.

Originally posted by fangirl101
actually you don't understand combat speed dear. one doesn't get swoosh lines fighting superman unless one is keeping up with him. now you try and keep up with me. you also failed to mention that wonder deflecting the shattered god IS IN COMBAT. THAT IS A COMBAT Manuever. defense is PART OF FREAKING COMBAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or don't you see her hands moving faster than light?

I see you failed to mention how she uses superspeed to blizt apart the planes system. cleary an attack move that shows her moving at superspeed.

now as for the martian fight, i gave no indication of the flight speed, i said that she obviously fought the martian all the way to where ever the hell they were. they didn't say, oh, i'll race you to outerspace and then we can fight. can you imagine them moving faster than escape velocity and only throwing one punch. WTF.

it's clearly painfully obvious that you just don't like wonder woman, becuz anyone else, with any kind of objective thinking, can see, that she is using superspeed during a fight. oh and one more thing, wonder woman gets her speed directly from hermes god of speed. to an exact mirror. and HE DOES has battle speed feats. as a matter of fact, i think she even fought him once.

AGAIN, DEFENSE IS PART OF COMBAT!!!!!!!!!!!! he throws a punch, i block it, i throw a punch, all part of combat. fangirl101 kicks ass again.

Wow so we are still in this line of thought eh? Unfortunately for you ur attempt to post scans showing wonderwomans combat speed has simply shown your inability to interpret on panel info. It is obvious that you have NOT evn been reading my posts becuz if you were you would have seen that the kind of combat speed i asked for was of her engaging in PHYSICAL COMBAT with another being at superspeed. Instead you have proceeded to post evn more laughable and irrelevant examples.

How can you say u are sane and still attempt to use that swoosh line feat as an indication of combat speed? You say she was keeping up with superman when there is ABSOLUTELY NO INDICATION of the speed they were fighting at. Heck evn the artistic depiction of it does not imply that. Superman normally DOES NOT fight at superspeeds and it is pure foolishness to assume he was fighting at these speeds when there is no evidence of it. Going by your reatrded logic, if the hulk is shown to keep up with Surfer in a fight then it means he was fighting at superspeed evn when there is no proof that surfer was fighting at such speeds anyway. Totally senseless

Nextly it also seems you missed the part of me asking for scans of her ENGAGING ANOTHER BEING IN PHYSICAL COMBAT. The reason for this is that wonderwoman already has feats showing her great reactions to objects and things coming at her such as ur example of her deflecting the fragments of the shattered god. However she lacks such feats when it comes to physical combat with other beings hence the reason she gets hit all the time by beings that are not evn superfast and such. You did not provide evn one example of her using multiple attacks at superspeed against someone or of her using her speed to block or dodge multiple direct physical attacks such as punches and kicks during a melee. This is the main thing that has to be proven becuz she has shown very poor speed in these kind of situations hence the reason she gets hit all the time by really slow people during direct physical combat.

Your martian manhunter example is just plain ambiguos as it shows in no way that wonderwoman was involved in a superspeed battle with primaid as you so falsely claim. All that happens is that flash asks where primaid is and MM replies wonderwoman went up there. From all indications on that page, Wonderwoman simply took primaid up there and beat him up. Where did you see any evidence of her attacking him { punching kicking etc} at superspeed while they were flying up there? Simply another far fetched assumption of yours because the only fight we actually see is her lassoing him while inspace and this fight is certainly not going on at superspeed as MM the flash and aquaman are having a conversation while MM and GL watch the fight. What gives you the stupid idea that they threw more than a punch? You cant evn interpret ur own scans becuz of ur bias

Further you have deliberately attempted to mislead people by calling her ramming into a demon a speed blitz, this is also just an unbeleivable misnterpretation of a very simple scan. I guess when sentry rammed into WWH he was speed blitzing 🙁
Not only that you showed and example of her attacking a being that was about to hit superman when his back was turned for heavens sale. You then call this reacting b4 superman could. Are you evn serious at all? What i really wonder is where you got the idea that she evn did that at
superspeed as ONCE AGAIN there is NO INDICATION of any form of superspeed used let alone the kind of speed u r implying.

Lastly that kick you posted is also ambiguos becuz although it at least looks fast unlike ur other examples, ther is still NO INDICATION of how fast it actually was.
You finished by saying that defence is part of combat yet you have abysmally failed to show wonderwoman blocking a punch or kick that we can prove was thrown at superspeed. Nearly all the examples you have given are out of context or you have grossly misnterpreted them and the irony of it all is that you think you have proved some points. How infinitely ridculous 🙄

Hulk win

a couple solid shots to the chin and its a win for the hulk.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Wow so we are still in this line of thought eh? Unfortunately for you ur attempt to post scans showing wonderwomans combat speed has simply shown your inability to interpret on panel info. It is obvious that you have NOT evn been reading my posts becuz if you were you would have seen that the kind of combat speed i asked for was of her engaging in PHYSICAL COMBAT with another being at superspeed. Instead you have proceeded to post evn more laughable and irrelevant examples.

How can you say u are sane and still attempt to use that swoosh line feat as an indication of combat speed? You say she was keeping up with superman when there is ABSOLUTELY NO INDICATION of the speed they were fighting at. Heck evn the artistic depiction of it does not imply that. Superman normally DOES NOT fight at superspeeds and it is pure foolishness to assume he was fighting at these speeds when there is no evidence of it. Going by your reatrded logic, if the hulk is shown to keep up with Surfer in a fight then it means he was fighting at superspeed evn when there is no proof that surfer was fighting at such speeds anyway. Totally senseless

Nextly it also seems you missed the part of me asking for scans of her ENGAGING ANOTHER BEING IN PHYSICAL COMBAT. The reason for this is that wonderwoman already has feats showing her great reactions to objects and things coming at her such as ur example of her deflecting the fragments of the shattered god. However she lacks such feats when it comes to physical combat with other beings hence the reason she gets hit all the time by beings that are not evn superfast and such. You did not provide evn one example of her using multiple attacks at superspeed against someone or of her using her speed to block or dodge multiple direct physical attacks such as punches and kicks during a melee. This is the main thing that has to be proven becuz she has shown very poor speed in these kind of situations hence the reason she gets hit all the time by really slow people during direct physical combat.

Your martian manhunter example is just plain ambiguos as it shows in no way that wonderwoman was involved in a superspeed battle with primaid as you so falsely claim. All that happens is that flash asks where primaid is and MM replies wonderwoman went up there. From all indications on that page, Wonderwoman simply took primaid up there and beat him up. Where did you see any evidence of her attacking him { punching kicking etc} at superspeed while they were flying up there? Simply another far fetched assumption of yours because the only fight we actually see is her lassoing him while inspace and this fight is certainly not going on at superspeed as MM the flash and aquaman are having a conversation while MM and GL watch the fight. What gives you the stupid idea that they threw more than a punch? You cant evn interpret ur own scans becuz of ur bias

Further you have deliberately attempted to mislead people by calling her ramming into a demon a speed blitz, this is also just an unbeleivable misnterpretation of a very simple scan. I guess when sentry rammed into WWH he was speed blitzing 🙁
Not only that you showed and example of her attacking a being that was about to hit superman when his back was turned for heavens sale. You then call this reacting b4 superman could. Are you evn serious at all? What i really wonder is where you got the idea that she evn did that at
superspeed as ONCE AGAIN there is NO INDICATION of any form of superspeed used let alone the kind of speed u r implying.

Lastly that kick you posted is also ambiguos becuz although it at least looks fast unlike ur other examples, ther is still NO INDICATION of how fast it actually was.
You finished by saying that defence is part of combat yet you have abysmally failed to show wonderwoman blocking a punch or kick that we can prove was thrown at superspeed. Nearly all the examples you have given are out of context or you have grossly misnterpreted them and the irony of it all is that you think you have proved some points. How infinitely ridculous 🙄

good post

Originally posted by ultimatethor
This is ridiculous. You saying that they were actually engaging each other in battle is based on pure speculation and nothing more as there is no proof of how many punches were thrown. This should be extremely obvious to anybody. Who is to say that they threw more than one punch? Who is to say that superman was not just using heat vison or ice breath the whole time? Who is to say that wonderwoman was not just behind him the whole time trying to lasso him? Really them battling can mean many things. Once again you have woefully failed to prove anything. As i said the way they got to the sun was through their flight speed and nothing else. Therefore they were flying towrds the sun the whole time which would make the so called light speed melee fight that you claim they had very difficult. You keep mentioning wonderwoman being able to run as fast as the flash, a fact which by now evn you should have realised is irrelevant. Indeed with wonderwomans ability to react to light speed attacks she should be able to initiate a speed blitz but the fact is that comics do not work like that. Thor has shown the ability to react to and block attacks from superfast beings but does not have enough showings in actual physical combat for us to simply grant him combat speed. The same goes for wonderwoman, who using real world logic should have good combat speed but because of her poor combat showings on panel, it can be said she does not. Trying to apply real world logic to comics is just foolish, because in comics we use on panel showings and not what should or should not be possible. I still wonder how you can say that WWh cant hit her when she is regularly hit by beings on his level of speed. Lastly, i have not resorted to insults and As for weak debating you take the cake.
1. Initially not evn knowing the specifics of the fight
2. Continously showing failure to grasp a simple concept( continuously EQUATING BATTLE SPEED AND TRAVEL SPEED)
3.Providing a bevy of irrelevant and out of context examples

Certainly not the signs of a great debator

best post in this fight. People will argue this post down to the end. Theyre going to say cis but this kind of situation have been happening for years for the character. I have said this post to many times, I hope yours will get through to them.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Wow, I Nvr thought that Fangirl was this good! 😉

If anything, fangirl is getting owned. I havent seen one post yet that shows anything of combat speed. She/he post a scan of wonder woman fight superman and says that is combat speed. Well i guess death stroke has combat speed since he kept up with superman Batman has combat speed, kalibak has combat speed, even lex luthor has combat speed.

That was a ridiculous post.

Wwh wins 10/10

Titus had trouble breaking out of a barrier that had the weight of 100 tons and one shotted her and superman, I dont think that hulk, a being that had held a planet together with nothing but physical strength would have a problem taking wonderwoman head clean off with a single punch.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Wow so we are still in this line of thought eh? Unfortunately for you ur attempt to post scans showing wonderwomans combat speed has simply shown your inability to interpret on panel info. It is obvious that you have NOT evn been reading my posts becuz if you were you would have seen that the kind of combat speed i asked for was of her engaging in PHYSICAL COMBAT with another being at superspeed. Instead you have proceeded to post evn more laughable and irrelevant examples.

How can you say u are sane and still attempt to use that swoosh line feat as an indication of combat speed? You say she was keeping up with superman when there is ABSOLUTELY NO INDICATION of the speed they were fighting at. Heck evn the artistic depiction of it does not imply that. Superman normally DOES NOT fight at superspeeds and it is pure foolishness to assume he was fighting at these speeds when there is no evidence of it. Going by your reatrded logic, if the hulk is shown to keep up with Surfer in a fight then it means he was fighting at superspeed evn when there is no proof that surfer was fighting at such speeds anyway. Totally senseless

Nextly it also seems you missed the part of me asking for scans of her ENGAGING ANOTHER BEING IN PHYSICAL COMBAT. The reason for this is that wonderwoman already has feats showing her great reactions to objects and things coming at her such as ur example of her deflecting the fragments of the shattered god. However she lacks such feats when it comes to physical combat with other beings hence the reason she gets hit all the time by beings that are not evn superfast and such. You did not provide evn one example of her using multiple attacks at superspeed against someone or of her using her speed to block or dodge multiple direct physical attacks such as punches and kicks during a melee. This is the main thing that has to be proven becuz she has shown very poor speed in these kind of situations hence the reason she gets hit all the time by really slow people during direct physical combat.

Your martian manhunter example is just plain ambiguos as it shows in no way that wonderwoman was involved in a superspeed battle with primaid as you so falsely claim. All that happens is that flash asks where primaid is and MM replies wonderwoman went up there. From all indications on that page, Wonderwoman simply took primaid up there and beat him up. Where did you see any evidence of her attacking him { punching kicking etc} at superspeed while they were flying up there? Simply another far fetched assumption of yours because the only fight we actually see is her lassoing him while inspace and this fight is certainly not going on at superspeed as MM the flash and aquaman are having a conversation while MM and GL watch the fight. What gives you the stupid idea that they threw more than a punch? You cant evn interpret ur own scans becuz of ur bias

Further you have deliberately attempted to mislead people by calling her ramming into a demon a speed blitz, this is also just an unbeleivable misnterpretation of a very simple scan. I guess when sentry rammed into WWH he was speed blitzing 🙁
Not only that you showed and example of her attacking a being that was about to hit superman when his back was turned for heavens sale. You then call this reacting b4 superman could. Are you evn serious at all? What i really wonder is where you got the idea that she evn did that at
superspeed as ONCE AGAIN there is NO INDICATION of any form of superspeed used let alone the kind of speed u r implying.

Lastly that kick you posted is also ambiguos becuz although it at least looks fast unlike ur other examples, ther is still NO INDICATION of how fast it actually was.
You finished by saying that defence is part of combat yet you have abysmally failed to show wonderwoman blocking a punch or kick that we can prove was thrown at superspeed. Nearly all the examples you have given are out of context or you have grossly misnterpreted them and the irony of it all is that you think you have proved some points. How infinitely ridculous 🙄

this entire post smacks of an inability to concede. when the heck does most writers indicate a speed to which a superspeed fight takes place? it so plainly clear that you know NOTHING about wonder woman and thus you come up with this REDICULOUS statement that wonder woman gets hit by really slow people. any body who knows anything about wonder woman is that she fights with an honor code. she fights at the level of her opponents. or how the HELL do you think she's able to keep up with CHEETAH a superspeed being whom was AMPED by zoom. right. you can't. take a break, your tired.

Originally posted by carver9 If anything, fangirl is getting owned. I havent seen one post yet that shows anything of combat speed. She/he post a scan of wonder woman fight superman and says that is combat speed. Well i guess death stroke has combat speed since he kept up with superman Batman has combat speed, kalibak has combat speed, even lex luthor has combat speed. That was a ridiculous post.Wwh wins 10/10Titus had trouble breaking out of a barrier that had the weight of 100 tons and one shotted her and superman, I dont think that hulk, a being that had held a planet together with nothing but physical strength would have a problem taking wonderwoman head clean off with a single punch.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
a couple solid shots to the chin and its a win for the hulk.

But WWH wins this. I am not sure if she has what it takes to KO him, but eventually after a long time she will get hit.

WW Hulk clearly dominates her. He is phsyically superior to Superman as the WW Hulk and she cant beat him so she has no chance here.

Originally posted by quanchi112 WW Hulk clearly dominates her._ He is phsyically superior to Superman as the WW Hulk and she cant beat him so she has no chance here.

Originally posted by fangirl101
and this is based upon what? in his fight with sentry, they did nothing more than destroy a couple of blocks. superman while sun amped knocked wonder woman from mercury to the earth. she didn't die. her head didn't come off. she's clearly at the top when it comes to blunt force trauma durability. and the hulk doesn't have superman's speed or invulnerability, which means he won't be hitting her as hard. impact depends on force, plus the density of the object, plus the speed of said object. superman punches faster, has harder skin, and is stronger. thus his punches would hurt more than hulks. on top of all of that, he was sun amped. the hulk would not dominate her. points😖kill-wonder womanspeed-wonder womandefense-wonder womanblunt force trauma durability- wonder womanhealing-hulkstrength- debatable

To judge a character on that and that alone is faulty.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk clearly dominates her. He is phsyically superior to Superman as the WW Hulk and she cant beat him so she has no chance here.

You can't, in time but it would be to late by then. 🙄

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman prime and Ion didnt even destroy a cemetary. This is horrible logic and I agree that Prime and Ion are a helluva lot more powerful than the destruction they caused from their battle.

To judge a character on that and that alone is faulty.

Originally posted by Doc. Savage
Prove hes superior.

You can't, in time but it would be to late by then. 🙄

Can superman hold a planet together. Im asking can he hold both halfs of the planet and put the planet back together with nothing but physical strength. If he can or if he has done a feat similar to this will you please post it.

Have the narrator, not superman but the narrator ever said that superman can step on a planet and destroy it.

Have superman ever stepped on the planet and made half the planet shake like wwh did.

Hulk is by all means physically powerful then superman, doomsday, titus, the general, shaggy man, and sentry since you wanted to bring him up.

Hulk crushes wonderwoman 10/10.

Hulk

Originally posted by fangirl101
and this is based upon what? in his fight with sentry, they did nothing more than destroy a couple of blocks. superman while sun amped knocked wonder woman from mercury to the earth. she didn't die. her head didn't come off. she's clearly at the top when it comes to blunt force trauma durability. and the hulk doesn't have superman's speed or invulnerability, which means he won't be hitting her as hard. impact depends on force, plus the density of the object, plus the speed of said object. superman punches faster, has harder skin, and is stronger. thus his punches would hurt more than hulks. on top of all of that, he was sun amped. the hulk would not dominate her. points😖kill-wonder womanspeed-wonder womandefense-wonder womanblunt force trauma durability- wonder womanhealing-hulkstrength- debatable

Wonder woman can't do jack, she's just a woman, she dies horribly.

Originally posted by carver9
Can superman hold a planet together. Im asking can he hold both halfs of the planet and put the planet back together with nothing but physical strength. If he can or if he has done a feat similar to this will you please post it.

Have the narrator, not superman but the narrator ever said that superman can step on a planet and destroy it.

Have superman ever stepped on the planet and made half the planet shake like wwh did.

Hulk is by all means physically powerful then superman, doomsday, titus, the general, shaggy man, and sentry since you wanted to bring him up.

Hulk crushes wonderwoman 10/10.

first of all, the physical impossibility of holding two planet halfs together with physical strength is absurb. the planet should crumble under it's own weight. stepping on a planet and making it shake means the hulk should lose some weight. not that he's just so strong. at best, the hulk is now just approaching the strength lvls that superman and wonder woman normally operate under. wonder woman pulls his eye balls out of his head before he moves and knocks him out in a beavy of superfast kicks.

Originally posted by fangirl101
first of all, the physical impossibility of holding two planet halfs together with physical strength is absurb. the planet should crumble under it's own weight. stepping on a planet and making it shake means the hulk should lose some weight. not that he's just so strong. at best, the hulk is now just approaching the strength lvls that superman and wonder woman normally operate under. wonder woman pulls his eye balls out of his head before he moves and knocks him out in a beavy of superfast kicks.

It's physically impossible to fly around with underwear on the outside and wearing a cape. This is comics, not physics class. Wonder woman is horribly outmatched here. This is like Ike Turner vs. Tina Turner - Wonder Woman gets the pimp hand. 😆