Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Yea that was in revenge of the sith,the phantom menace win was definitely more of a fluke.
A-a fluke?
Hey, I wish Maul was awesome, too. I wish he had been the bad guy throughout the prequels, and I wish he had actually shown he could own when it matters (before you say something, yes I read some Maul EU, he's pretty sweet THOUGH Vader beats him as well (Vader being the one that ROTS Obi Wan beat...that, as stated by George Lucas, got WEAKER, after being put in the armour...yeah, that Vader beats Maul in his prime as well), but he can't. He's a ****ing idiot. He had like a 300 times better advantage than Obi Wan had against Anakin in ROTS...and he lost. Agreed, shitty writing, but that's what happened. Bearing that in mind ROTS Obi Wan would (sadly) wipe the floor with him. If he didn't by skill (and he does), then because Maul would decide that when the time comes to cut him, he'd rather wait and let Obi Wan win. So, clear victory for Obi Wan.
Man, I wish that **** George Lucas would still know how to ****ing write for an awesome character. But no, Jar Jar lives, Maul dies. I want to cry.
Originally posted by taurosWell, actually it was the skill. That's where we measure the skill. The Darth Maul that we saw in the Phantom Menace has zero chance against the Obi Wan we saw in Return of the Sith.
Yes, as you said, it was shitty writing, not the actual skill of Maul that made him die.
So, that should pretty much end the thread.
Originally posted by Bardock42
A-a fluke?Hey, I wish Maul was awesome, too. I wish he had been the bad guy throughout the prequels, and I wish he had actually shown he could own when it matters (before you say something, yes I read some Maul EU, he's pretty sweet THOUGH Vader beats him as well (Vader being the one that ROTS Obi Wan beat...that, as stated by George Lucas, got WEAKER, after being put in the armour...yeah, that Vader beats Maul in his prime as well), but he can't. He's a ****ing idiot. He had like a 300 times better advantage than Obi Wan had against Anakin in ROTS...and he lost.
If you read all the material that you would know that he beat the a jedi that was better had better lightsaber skill than Yoda(prior to tpm) or then entire order prior to his death. Funny how Vader also was nearly killed and yes Vader in the suit loses potential but he has much better control of the force that makes up for his decreased mobility. He was called one of the deadliest sith apprentices in the history of the order that dates back around 4000 years. Obiwan admits that Maul outdueled him and he had him. But Maul became overconfident/arrogant which is a flaw all most sith and the 2 times in the whole eu that he was arrogant he died other than that he has shown himself to be an extremely capable warrior and wont go down without giving obiwan difficulty though not to the level that Anakin was able to in rots.
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
If you read all the material that you would know that he beat the a jedi that was better had better lightsaber skill than Yoda(prior to tpm) or then entire order prior to his death. Funny how Vader also was nearly killed and yes Vader in the suit loses potential but he has much better control of the force that makes up for his decreased mobility. He was called one of the deadliest sith apprentices in the history of the order that dates back around 4000 years. Obiwan admits that Maul outdueled him and he had him. But Maul became overconfident/arrogant which is a flaw all most sith and the 2 times in the whole eu that he was arrogant he died other than that he has shown himself to be an extremely capable warrior and wont go down without giving obiwan difficulty though not to the level that Anakin was able to in rots.
...the thread specifies that it is talking about TPM Darth Maul, he shows no such skill. I read EU material about him, and I liked it and it was good and I wish he had been like that in TPM, but he wasn't. He was a giant douche. Ergo why he lost. Also, why he'd lose this.
Originally posted by Bardock42
...the thread specifies that it is talking about TPM Darth Maul, he shows no such skill. I read EU material about him,
Wrong thread title means that this is Maul as of TPM meaning all of his and obiwan's experience prior to their duel is relevant and are valid points(all his skills that I listed are valid) . And did you read only the comic vs Vader?
Originally posted by Elite Hunter
Wrong thread title means that this is Maul as of TPM meaning all of his and obiwan's experience prior to their duel is relevant and are valid points(all his skills that I listed are valid) . And did you read only the comic vs Vader?
Nah, read the one against the Black Sun.
Still. ROTS Obi Wan is like 15 years more advanced than the Obi Wan that actually did beat Maul (and not just a little bit, at first he was pretty much a match for him and then he came back from certain defeat).
Also, Obi Wan, won against Anakin and Grievous...we really shouldn't underestimate him, though I do know that he likes to do so himself.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Nah, read the one against the Black Sun.
I recommend reading Darth Maul Shadow Hunter
Still. ROTS Obi Wan is like 15 years more advanced than the Obi Wan that actually did beat Maul (and not just a little bit, at first he was pretty much a match for him and then he came back from certain defeat).
Also, Obi Wan, won against Anakin and Grievous...we really shouldn't underestimate him, though I do know that he likes to do so himself.
An ABC argument that has already been addressed earlier on in this thread. And note that the debate going on now is to the degree of difficulty to which Obiwan wins. Everyone acknowledged that Maul dies.