Anveena IS the Sunwell. She top Azerothian magicians easily. She melted Dar'Khan with a thought 😛
And the Guardians have the base of their power from the Sunwell, but only portions. Which makes her an easy superior force to Aegwynn and the other Guardians.
Kael'Thas can summon the phoenix God at will, which is kinda powerful. He has bypassed the magical limits of gravity, altering the gravity base of his surrounding. That, and he is absorbing the power of a Naruu. He is mighty, but his extent is unknown.
In order, top 10 magicians (Alive, that is) according to me is:
1. Anveena
2. Malygos
3. Xavius (?)
4. Velen
5. Azshara
6. Medivh
7. Alexstrasza
8. Kel'Thuzad
9. Malfurion
10. Lich King
I know all that hence my reason for saying number one Malygos is in no way a pushover either 😉
Imo you can put Xavius right back below Azshara, it was stated in the War trilogy that Mannaroth didn't touch her because only Archimonde and Sargeras had the power needed to defeat her from his point of view. Imo he should be placed lower then Medivh.
can someone tell me why Lich King is below the last 5? what has Medihv done or Kelth, or Aex for that matter to put them on Lich King level?
Dont forget even before his mind was vastly expanded he was a very high shman (or was he a warlock before) and magic user opening gateways to other worlds and things
The Lich King is placed there BT because he hasn't showed Magical Abilities putting him higher however were we to place who has the greatest mental arsenal then Lich King would imo be in top 3 strong candidate for number 1.
and if you are asking us to place the most powerful beings on Azeroth currently then yes he would certainly be higher, but he hasn't showed many fascinating accomplishments on his own. BT he required either 4-6 very powerful artifacts in order to open the gateway on top of that he lost control over the spell without anyone interfering in his casting, something neither of the others would have done.
Be sure of that he is below the others in magical skill? Because he hasn't showed himself to be higher. The MoM too doesn't place him high in magical powers then Kel'Thuazad for instance not that the handbooks should be used constant but it was as a answer to your question why 🙂
Being underestimated? I would put him place as one of the most powerful being on azeroth, how is that underestimating him? What Becci and me are discussing here are purely magical powers.
But Kel'Thuzad was already a extremely powerful wizard before and he has suceeded in open a portal to summon archimonde, also it wasn't from the Lich King but the Sunwell that Kel'Thuzads new power came.
It is correct that I may have put Xavius a little too high. However, he is not one to be underestimated.
Originally posted by Burning thought
can someone tell me why Lich King is below the last 5? what has Medihv done or Kelth, or Aex for that matter to put them on Lich King level?Dont forget even before his mind was vastly expanded he was a very high shman (or was he a warlock before) and magic user opening gateways to other worlds and things
Lich King would defeat a lot of them on the list, but when it comes to actual knowledge in the arts of magic and how to master it, he will land pretty low among the top 10.
The reason I put Kel'Thuzad over Lich King, is because in for several reasons. One would be because Kel'Thuzad has done a lot of impressive things. Both before and after he died. Things that is not within Lich King's reach.
Also, in the "Sunwell Triology", Lich King is spoken of in the way that he need Kel'Thuzad. When Dar'khan was taming the Sunwell, there was a number of dialogues. One of the things said was that Lich King was going to have Kel'Thuzad steal Dar'Khans newfound powers.
Lich King, as mighty as he is and could likely defeat Kel'Thuzad in brief moments, can not match in the quantity of magical efficiency that Kel'Thuzad holds.
As for Alexstrasza, you may see her as the aspect of life and death. The thing however, is that the red dragonflight is also master magicians. Krasus who is a red dragonflight could seal in the might of the sunwell and hide it from all beings. He also was able to break loose from the grasp of the Demon Soul.
The Red Dragonflight is a highly advanced magical race. Among the flights, they are second highest in efficiency. Krasus/Korialstrasz has fought Hakkar, Neltharion, Mannoroth, Archimonde and more and lived. The league of magical power in the Red flight is vast. Quite surely above Lich King's versatility. Again however, Lich King could quite surely defeat Korialstrasz with no problems at all.
And of course you have already realised that Alexstrasza is a better version of Krasus.
My point is that the list is not rated after combat efficiency, but magical efficiency.
well we assume is not within the lich kings reach 🙂 we dont actually know 100% what his capable of now
perhaps not
but breaking loose from the Demon soul, was htat all magic? same with hiding the sunwell?
I know, i wasnt saying he was being underestimate in combat, ive just not read material where the Red flight have done magic things like that nor would i imagine Malfurion above the Lich King, especially not now since surely almost all of the Kings might comes from magic power as well, he is more of a magical being imo than physical
Korialstrasz lead the magical divisions during the war of the ancients. That alone show great power. He had to break out of the Demon Soul grasp trough magic. He was not physically capable of such a thing. The Demon Soul even had actual aspects back of, because of the danger it meant.
As for the Lich King, he is powerful, but you give his magical abilities too much credit. He lost his shaman powers. He is nothing but a mighty necromancer. A very mighty Necromancer, but a necromancer non-the-less. And after Arthas grabbed the helmet, Lich King became physical once more. He is not as magically developed as you might think.
We may not know much about him, but his versatility is very low. He lost his shaman powers and Arthas lost his Paladin powers. That leaves Lich King as a mighty Lich. Which in it self is very impressive, but not enough to compeete with those of higher versatility.
BECCI
Agreed Becci he isn't but higher ranking the Azshara isn't correct.
Imo if it's Xavius High Elf he isn't justified to be there, if it's Xavius Satyr he deserves a place on the list.
BT
Hence placing him where he is 😉
The Sunwell has to be magic to cheat the the magical senses of others. And the Demonsoul imo magic too along with will power.
The day the Lich King calls forth a storm that can lay waste to the Burning Legion like Malfurion did while he was still relative unexperienced in the arts of Druidisme which was some 10.000 years ago, The Lich King can be ranked higher until then I think his place is ok based on what we know about his magical abilities.
He is a fusion between a magical being and a physical the Lich King is imo not more of one then the other.
why not? lichdom can lead to many things anyway, his mind is vast, 10k fold his mind is expanded, that could mean he can think of 10k more ways perhaps to do something to someone, or to use his power, you did say that Archimonde/kiljaedens weakness is although their power may be potentially omnipotent, they dont have the intellect of the things they want to do, wheras Lich King is expanded in mind 10k fold who knows what he is capable of using his power for, dark power can do so many things usually.
He may not be as limited as you may think, he does not need Shaman or paladin if the vastness of his mind allows him to see into his own power far higher than most in Azeroth.
His MIND is vast BT, and his mental arsenal is without a doubt one of the greatest on Azeroth currently, but that was all that expanded not his magical powers. Only his psychic, and I simply doesn't get the point about Archimonde and Kil'Jaeden are you saying they lack talent for magic ore what???
His vast mental capacity is mostly used to control the undead, that was the reason why his mind was expanded, it doesn't mean that his intelligence grew thousand fold.