Originally posted by Eon BlueJedah is physically greater, can destroy a dimension, and absorbed trillions of souls across a dimension in a few seconds by raising his hand.
I'm quite unfamiliar with Jedah, having only played one of the Darkstalkers games. On the other hand I am quite familiar with Dante.So tell me, why would Jedah win?
No, it is not bias. I can bring up A LOT of game and fiction, as well as real life abilities that maintain the same efficiency against a single target as it does against a larger number of targets.
You have no proof that he could focus his "sucking millions of souls" into one greater, more focused and more efficient suck. This, HOWEVER, does not mean his suck is weak to start with. It simply does not mean he is more efficient against one than many.
Unless, ofcourse, you can prove it?
Originally posted by BecciFirst of all, let's look at the distance, it was across a dimension, that in land area was hundreds of times bigger than Earth. Now, if he was closer, would the suction not be greater? Like a vacuum.
No, it is not bias. I can bring up A LOT of game and fiction, as well as real life abilities that maintain the same efficiency against a single target as it does against a larger number of targets.You have no proof that he could focus his "sucking millions of souls" into one greater, more focused and more efficient suck. This, HOWEVER, does not mean his suck is weak to start with. It simply does not mean he is more efficient against one than many.
Unless, ofcourse, you can prove it?
Then, pile a clump of dirt or sumthin and put it in a pile, if the clump is big enough, the vacuum will have a difficult time to suck it in, but if it was one dust particle, it would go in smoothly.
See what I mean?
It was trough a portal, which reduces the distance significantly. And it would maybe be stronger closer, and it would maybe not be. You can not prove it would be, so we would have to base your discussions on what we know, which is the strength of his sucks at that point. Until the point where it is proven a close-range suck would be more efficient, claiming it would be is just speculations and not a valid argument in a debate.
I know what you mean, but it is not a valid debating argument. Debating is done on facts. Him being stronger at one than many is not a fact, it's a theory. A theory such as this one would be considered invalid since you have no actual proof of a higher efficiency at close-range.
Originally posted by Becci1. It wasn't through a portal, what are you talking about?
It was trough a portal, which reduces the distance significantly. And it would maybe be stronger closer, and it would maybe not be. You can not prove it would be, so we would have to base your discussions on what we know, which is the strength of his sucks at that point. Until the point where it is proven a close-range suck would be more efficient, claiming it would be is just speculations and not a valid argument in a debate.I know what you mean, but it is not a valid debating argument. Debating is done on facts. Him being stronger at one than many is not a fact, it's a theory. A theory such as this one would be considered invalid since you have no actual proof of a higher efficiency at close-range.
This is logic, his soul drain is a vacuum effect, why wouldn't it have the properties of one?
2. People accept Burning Thought's theories all the time, only mine is based on facts.
1. I thought that guy lead Jedah to some portal or something?
2. It is as much logical as my "quantity does not mean quality"-logic. Although since there is no proof of your logical thinking, by default one is to go by what one know. Which is nothing, in fact. We do not know if it would be more powerful or not, so one should not base arguments on it. Not that it matters much anyway. Suck a soul as suck a soul. If they have resistance you fail, if they don't, you don't fail. It really does not matter what level of strength the suck has. It is just the whole "quantity = quality" thing that bugs me.
3. When have I ever accepted BT's theories? I hate theories, even Warcraft theories. Some are alright, but theories about beings such as: Sephiroth, Kain, Lich King and such are just plain frustrating. Yours is not fact, neither is his.
Originally posted by Becci1. No.
1. I thought that guy lead Jedah to some portal or something?2. It is as much logical as my "quantity does not mean quality"-logic. Although since there is no proof of your logical thinking, by default one is to go by what one know. Which is nothing, in fact. We do not know if it would be more powerful or not, so one should not base arguments on it. Not that it matters much anyway. Suck a soul as suck a soul. If they have resistance you fail, if they don't, you don't fail. It really does not matter what level of strength the suck has. It is just the whole "quantity = quality" thing that bugs me.
3. When have I ever accepted BT's theories? I hate theories, even Warcraft theories. Some are alright, but theories about beings such as: Sephiroth, Kain, Lich King and such are just plain frustrating. Yours is not fact, neither is his.
2. But actual IRL vacuums work that way, why wouldn't a vacuum that eats souls?
3. Don't know, people believe his junk though.
Originally posted by GenomeFrozener
Jedah could eat his soul.
Dante's sword attacks would do nothing on him.
His regenerating ability puts Dante's to shame. Jedah would send Dante to a different dimension and destroy it. Jedah is far from a "chump", go play Darkstalkers.
Sorry to bump but, Dante heals as soon as he is hit and eating Dante's soul wouldn't kill him. He has the soul of a human, but rip out his soul and his true Devil Form is there[which you can't rip out]. Dante can't be decapitated. Vergil would have cut his hand off easily, but couldn't because of his regeneration[Dante got his hand cut by Yamato and punched thru it and his hand STILL didn't come off]. And Demons in DMC doesn't have any souls. Vergil got cut IN HALF and he couldn't be cut in half physically, so the same could be said for Dante. ["Identical Faces, Identical Powers" said by Capcom.] Dante still has QS, DG, and Teleportation. Dante can ALSO use the power of Sparda. And he can seal Jedah away for good.
Lol...Seal Jedah?
All the power in Makai could not kill him. Dante is not equal to all the power of Makai.
Jedah can physically manhandle Dante, he is as strong as Demitri(at least).
Darkstalkers is on a whole other level than DMC. The Phobos, who are fodder, can destroy cities. Jedah destroyed a dimension that was much larger than Earth, the land mass alone is hundreds of times larger than Earth, and it is surrounded by an even larger sea.
Gumachi, do you believe Dante can defeat Pyron as well?