however, daskstalker verse is spread over multiple genres, video gameS, animeS, comics etc. most of them with non cannon fantastical over the top visuals. all of them contradicting cannon and power levels with each other, on top of wild interpretations being made from said animations and references. so it becomes kind of hard to actually JUDGE whats cannon, until it becomes each person's own interpretation. kind of like saying, terry bogard can defeat demitri etc, which is just as valid. not saying dante can necessarily kill him, just saying, darkstaler verse is very hard to deal with. dante has killed the despair emobodied. and if we are talking about all appearances, cannon or otherwise, in the supporting character category. why not bring in the feats of dante from shin megami tensei nocturne into play to level the field?
Originally posted by leonheartmm
however, daskstalker verse is spread over multiple genres, video gameS, animeS, comics etc. most of them with non cannon fantastical over the top visuals. all of them contradicting cannon and power levels with each other, on top of wild interpretations being made from said animations and references. so it becomes kind of hard to actually JUDGE whats cannon, until it becomes each person's own interpretation. kind of like saying, terry bogard can defeat demitri etc, which is just as valid. not saying dante can necessarily kill him, just saying, darkstaler verse is very hard to deal with. dante has killed the despair emobodied. and if we are talking about all appearances, cannon or otherwise, in the supporting character category. why not bring in the feats of dante from shin megami tensei nocturne into play to level the field?
Er thang I just said came from the game. Jedah was never in any comic, manga or anime. Do you know what DS is? Nothin' outside the game is canon. The Udon comic just shows canon ability, nothin' else.
Still, Jedah can't die. It's not about him bein' too powerful to die. He just can't cuz he's not alive. No matter what feats you have, he will not go away. Seein' as how Jedah's source of eternal existence comes from another character. He can not die, unless you kill the one that keeps makin' him.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
well abstracts usually are featless, yet you wudnt say the source or eternity can be beaten by jedah. its powers can be guessed at by the database which calls it a foe beyond all other dante ever faced, and its purpose was to destroy the world.
That depends on what universe they are in, your bringing up eternity as if he is comparable to the pathetic humanoid that is despair embodied? not to mention Eternity likely has feats, he is said to be the actual embodiment of time and the universe and there is a far more obvious scope of his power.
Yeh, hyperbole....worthless hyperbole for a featless character, by feats Mundus or Saviour are likely far more powerful.
hes an embodiment of what despair is, despair is the abstract, hes an embodiment of it, so technically the feats that embodiment shows is that of the abstract itself, as I said you cant take the abstracts from one universe and assume their as powerful as in any other universe. And ime not taking your word on eternity having no feats.
Yeh claims and titles dont make him any less impressive than a shiny dude who does a few pathetic combos and gets his face shattered by a handgun.
but do you read marvel regularly? i do, and im saying eternity has no feats, other than representing its domain and claiming its power. ok, maybe it has a handful of feats, like teleporting a character across dimensions and going up against thanos with IG in an ABSTRACT clash which he er, lost.
embodiements are m bodies. they are collectively an abstract. im not saying its as powerful, im saying its power is inabstract level, which is above most corporeal entities and phenomenon.
last paragraph is circular logic.
^the in game database says otherwise, i think ill give that more relevance than you. and im not asking you to beleive me, however, you come off ignorant if you deny my claim without having read marvel yourself and providing any counterargument from facts, my facts can be checked. and i dont have to prove such basic assumptions, people familiar with story telling in any and all media know that representations of abstract concepts in the media are beings far stronger than corporeal phenomenon simply because the concept permeates all facets of reality, making it bigger than any limited corporeal phenomenon.
Yours facts can, but your opponent does not have to go and find your facts in any debate, you have to bring them forwards, which ofc is impossible. I would be a fool to not deny your claim until youve shown evidence.
No its not even real, an abstract is simply a imagined phenomenon, its not powerful unless its given power, in Marvels universe abstracts have some quantity of this power and are much alike to living enttiies, that doesnt mean you can assume the one in DMC is anywehre near as strong, if strong at all, its shown that its in fact weak.
^now whose claiming to know the rules of each universe??? lol. everything in fiction is imagined, so that has to be set aside in debates concerning FICTION. the in game database is enough evidence as it is the authority on the said fiction. abstract powers, as i have explained, by their nature permeate everything in the fictional reality, making it greater than limited physical phenomenon. you havent read marvel, much less read it extensively enough to comment on the nature anf feats of its abstracts. and ur wrong, they are not like living entities, they are m bodies which do not engage physically.
NO Abstracts ARE imagined beings within the fiction, thats what an abstract is. They are very much living entties and are given human emotions in some instances such as wehn the power of the Living tribunal makes Eternity faint.
Either way youve got no evidence for Despair embodied being nothing more than a pathetic being whos face is probably as durable as glass, it shatters like it from a handgun. Do you think eternities embodiment would be shattered by Dantes gun? lol...
^would you call DEATH a "living" entity??? shes an abstract in marvel. death isnt imagined, considerig shes present even when the universe been destroyed. and for your information eternity WAS killed by a shot from genis vell's GUN, literally. as i said, do not talk about things you know nothing about, it only ends up working against ur image.
i have evidence, its called the in game databse and it comes straight from the developers of the game. srry, u lose.
The abstract itself is imagined, the whole "dark lady" and "skeletal robed" figuire is part of the abstract image, the abstract herself as a character is a depiction of the natural idea of death. Ime not working for some all important goofy image, ime not as low as you it seems, and dont try and talk about image at all either, youve not got the credibility for it. Especailly since you would have to show how that gun is not superior to Ebony and ivory.
funny I dont see that evidence in here 😕
dark robed lady is how people interpet the m body. the m body exists reguardless as it can interact with the real world. i wudnt have to show that the gun is suprior to ebony and ivory, all im showing is that you questioning whether eternity would have its FACE BLOWN AWAY by a gun is EXACTLY what happened in the comics you dont care to read and yet comment on, desplaying your ignorance. and "you" of all people dont get to question ANY ones credibility let alone my own{i know its a concept that eludes you}
you dont see any evidence in the claims made by the writers themselves? well then, im sorry, i cant help you see it.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
dark robed lady is how people interpet the m body. the m body exists reguardless as it can interact with the real world. i wudnt have to show that the gun is suprior to ebony and ivory, all im showing is that you questioning whether eternity would have its FACE BLOWN AWAY by a gun is EXACTLY what happened in the comics you dont care to read and yet comment on, desplaying your ignorance. and "you" of all people dont get to question ANY ones credibility let alone my own{i know its a concept that eludes you}you dont see any evidence in the claims made by the writers themselves? well then, im sorry, i cant help you see it.
Dark robed lady is the physical representation of an abstract, the abstract itself as something alike to a living force with requirements, emotions or needs is something seen in Marvel, also the abstracts in Marvel, lets take Death do have feats, the death of any being in Marvel is technically her feat isnt it.
Your blowing out hot air...again....
Now your just trolling, youve got no evidence as usual, show me your evidence please? ill not ask again, ill simply report you unless you want to admit you cant show any evidence?