galactus and his heralds vs. odin, thanos, tyrant

Originally posted by Utrigita
Lets assume instead that both have learned from there second encounter. which is the most likely event to have happen.

A Galactus that was badly prep in comparison to Tyrant Galactus never thought he would see Tyrant again showed in Tenebrous scans, Tyrant was backing just as much down as Galactus was in the scans posted by Tenebrous, at that Point even Though Galactus was weak Tyrant wasn't interested in a Conflict even though he claimed he was on his highest level of power since his depowerment. This IMO all speaks for Tyrant in some way counting on Galactus using his tech against Tyrant in some fashion so that Tyrant could bend that Technology to his will. And both knew as the scans also show that the winner if they fought now would be the one that was most powerfuln but such a battle would cause untold destruction hence both where not insterested in it.

In the third conflict it would indeed be different but as far as I see it Galactus' blasts could still power him up. One thing is for sure it would be one helluva a destructive battle. I think Odin and Thanos tip the scales definitely in their teams favor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant said that he wouldnt benefit from a battle at this point. Galactus asked for one thing his herald,Morg. Tyrant stared him in the eyes and said he wants Morg. Galactus gave in even though he only wanted Morg but Tyrant got him. To me thats backing down. It was in neither of their best interests for an all out battle then so the both agreed on that they would indeed finish it later. Galactus knew from that moment on he would have to deal with Tyrant and planned poorly for it.

In the third conflict it would indeed be different but as far as I see it Galactus' blasts could still power him up. One thing is for sure it would be one helluva a destructive battle. I think Odin and Thanos tip the scales definitely in their teams favor.

Yet it was Tyrant that wanted to leave in the first place, Galactus didn't want to engage Tyrant in any direct conflict because it would be devastating to the universe hence his statement "rule over rubble". Also as Galactus responded to SS, it would be too devasting a battle over a herald. Because he 1. Believed the old ways would work again 2. That his tech could do the trick.

And They would still hurt Tyrant, and Galactus would also be PIS free which means that he could channel the energy based attacks into energy for himself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If Thanos had more time and had become powerful yes it would have been different. tyrant although depowered still had enough power to defeat Galactus.

Ok we dont know how much time elapsed when Thanos fought Odin either. But Thanos prepped for Tyrant and had a weapon while he didnt prepare himself for a war with Odin. Odin's battle lasted more panels and Thanos looked better as his suit was still intact.

Thor can Thanos a bloody nose but we can tell he was nowhere near finished because of the comments he made. He was fine.

That still does not answer my question. My question, once again, is this: If Thanos had millenia of one-sided prep and had G's heralds as a bargaining chip, would he be able to fare as well as Tyrant did against G? Only the end result matters for my question, because of the inherent differences between Tyrant and Thanos.

Precisely. We do not know how much time evolved, even though that isn't the main point. The point is that the amount of time evolved does not equate to one party being above the other. Let's take martial arts as an example. A stand-up fighter can end a fight faster than a grappler. That doesn't mean the former beats the latter. Still on martial arts, an aggressive fighter typically ends fights faster ceteris paribus. Does not mean he beats a defensive fighter who takes longer.

I'm not saying that Thor hurt Thanos more than either Odin or Tyrant. The point is that as you mentioned with G and Odin, looks are often deceiving. Thor made Thanos bleed, something which Odin didn't do, and we know that the latter invariably dealt Thanos more damage. Looking at things that way, how can anyone assume that Tyrant did more because Thanos' armour was torn?

Originally posted by Utrigita
There is a signifact difference between the two Thanos that is in question there, also the circumstances are different.

Thanos in his account with Odin had yet to be amped by his encounter with Tyrant and I believe I have seen a scan that testifies that Thanos wielding the HOTU in some way amped his powerlevels, so he is missing two powerups furthermore Odin was ready for the attack where Galactus was taken completely unaware.

And Odin thinking about his realm? He destroyed a large part of the city Asgard trying to bring down Thanos.

And how long does it take for Odin to rebuild stuff? 🙂

I'd REALLY like to see the scan taht testifies Thanos' power levels being amplified once again.

Originally posted by Ouallada
That still does not answer my question. My question, once again, is this: If Thanos had millenia of one-sided prep and had G's heralds as a bargaining chip, would he be able to fare as well as Tyrant did against G? Only the end result matters for my question, because of the inherent differences between Tyrant and Thanos.

Precisely. We do not know how much time evolved, even though that isn't the main point. The point is that the amount of time evolved does not equate to one party being above the other. Let's take martial arts as an example. A stand-up fighter can end a fight faster than a grappler. That doesn't mean the former beats the latter. Still on martial arts, an aggressive fighter typically ends fights faster ceteris paribus. Does not mean he beats a defensive fighter who takes longer.

I'm not saying that Thor hurt Thanos more than either Odin or Tyrant. The point is that as you mentioned with G and Odin, looks are often deceiving. Thor made Thanos bleed, something which Odin didn't do, and we know that the latter invariably dealt Thanos more damage. Looking at things that way, how can anyone assume that Tyrant did more because Thanos' armour was torn?

I see your point about the Tyrant and Odin fight but another difference is that Thanos had prep time to engage him meaning he was prepared and also had a weapon whereas the Odin fight was spontaneous.

Take out Galactus easily? I'd like to see that.

Especially when Galan has you know, universal powers, time travel, etc.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yet it was Tyrant that wanted to leave in the first place, Galactus didn't want to engage Tyrant in any direct conflict because it would be devastating to the universe hence his statement "rule over rubble". Also as Galactus responded to SS, it would be too devasting a battle over a herald. Because he 1. Believed the old ways would work again 2. That his tech could do the trick.

And They would still hurt Tyrant, and Galactus would also be PIS free which means that he could channel the energy based attacks into energy for himself.

Galactus using tech also suggests that he needed his tech to beat him.

Ok if Galactus could power up the energy Tyrant could still cause physical damage to his person as he did in the comic.

But you can't cause physical harm to Galactus!

Originally posted by llagrok
Take out Galactus easily? I'd like to see that.

Especially when Galan has you know, universal powers, time travel, etc.

It is Galactus can blink himself back in time.

Originally posted by llagrok
It is Galactus can blink himself back in time.

Scans of Thanos building more than one Omega?

Go look at the scans of the Surfer traveling in time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
yes Thanos with prep would wreck the universe if he wanted to and could take out Galactus easily.

I see your point about the Tyrant and Odin fight but another difference is that Thanos had prep time to engage him meaning he was prepared and also had a weapon whereas the Odin fight was spontaneous.

Your answer to my question tells you a lot about how a fight between G and Tyrant would go. IF Thanos could replicate Tyrant's success against G with the same prep that Tyrant has, Tyrant would logically be scaled down against G with an unprepped Thanos as a proxy. That means that when you said that Thanos with prep arguably does better against G than Tyrant did, you have actually answered your own question as to how an unprepped Tyrant would do. Not very well.

Using just that one comparison isn't fair at all. There were mitigating circumstances. For example, Thanos wasn't there to fight Tyrant. He was there to test himself AND then leave. Hence the physical tussling. As for Morg's power, I doubt it brought much to the table. 1000000 + 50000, for example, is only a 5% increase, even though 50000 is a substantial number on its own. I could say that Thanos had the surfer's help against Odin as well. It doesn't work that way.

Originally posted by llagrok
Scans of Thanos building more than one Omega?

Go look at the scans of the Surfer traveling in time.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Your answer to my question tells you a lot about how a fight between G and Tyrant would go. IF Thanos could replicate Tyrant's success against G with the same prep that Tyrant has, Tyrant would logically be scaled down against G with an unprepped Thanos as a proxy. That means that when you said that Thanos with prep arguably does better against G than Tyrant did, you have actually answered your own question as to how an unprepped Tyrant would do. Not very well.

Using just that one comparison isn't fair at all. There were mitigating circumstances. For example, Thanos wasn't there to fight Tyrant. He was there to test himself AND then leave. Hence the physical tussling. As for Morg's power, I doubt it brought much to the table. 1000000 + 50000, for example, is only a 5% increase, even though 50000 is a substantial number on its own. I could say that Thanos had the surfer's help against Odin as well. it doesn;t work that way.

He was there to fight Tyrant he just wasnt there to win. He tested himself and weathered the storm. You could also say that Tyrant had multiple characters help prior to his brawl with Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see your point but Tyrant knows the ins and outs of Galactus. You cant deprive hi of his prep as its apart of his history. Had he had no prep time then youd have something but thats all he has been prepping for. He didnt sneak attack Galactus either.

He was there to fight Tyrant he just wasnt there to win. He tested himself and weathered the storm. You could also say that Tyrant had multiple characters help prior to his brawl with Thanos.

Whether or not Tyrant knows G inside out isn't important, because you have already mentioned that Thanos would do better than Tyrant, and I am sure you have already factored that point into your analysis. I can't deprive Tyrant of his prep for that particular battle, nor can I discount what he did. I'm just saying that he does not have the luxury of one-sided prep again. When Sparta prepared for war against the Athenians, said prep was used to create weapons, study their enemy, finetune tactics etc. Take away that prep, and they would still know the inside out of creating weapons, but they will not have the time to do so. Tyrant would still know G well, but any built-up power/tech/plans he had are not applicable here.

Precisely. I would say he intended to escape, and thus won a moral victory. You could say that, but Tyrant was the only one with millenia of prep, and all the extraordinary increments that come with that.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Whether or not Tyrant knows G inside out isn't important, because you have already mentioned that Thanos would do better than Tyrant, and I am sure you have already factored that point into your analysis. I can't deprive Tyrant of his prep for that particular battle, nor can I discount what he did. I'm just saying that he does not have the luxury of one-sided prep again. When Sparta prepared for war against the Athenians, said prep was used to create weapons, study their enemy, finetune tactics etc. Take away that prep, and they would still know the inside out of creating weapons, but they will not have the time to do so. Tyrant would still know G well, but any built-up power/tech/plans he had are not applicable here.

Precisely. I would say he intended to escape, and thus won a moral victory. You could say that, but Tyrant was the only one with millenia of prep, and all the extraordinary increments that come with that.

A lot more time. Which means Tyrant is in no way going to be at the same level as he was in this battle. As long as you agree, I've nothing more to say pertaining to this point.

Originally posted by Ouallada
A lot more time. Which means Tyrant is in no way going to be at the same level as he was in this battle. As long as you agree, I've nothing more to say pertaining to this point.

Fair enough. 👆