galactus and his heralds vs. odin, thanos, tyrant

Originally posted by Utrigita
Odin will be far to busy thinking about Galactus to care about oneshotting heralds.

It is Galactus vs Tyrant and Odin agreed.

He is currently occupied with the heralds even assuming that he isn't Galactus got close to Kill Thanos on the Astral plan so yes drawing Galactus in there will be great for commiting suicide.

I see Galactus winning this encounter.

Odin and Thanos take out the heralds quickly and all three overwhelm big G. If Aegis and Tenebrous can do it these three can imo. I think Tyrant on his own can beat him.

Originally posted by fangirl101
odin had a wrealm to think about for he went all out like that. it's much harder to focus an attack as to not do collateral dmg.

Originally posted by fangirl101
those scans dont' look so well for galactus tho. thanos and ss together didn't do a thing to odin. while thanos alone actually managed to damage galactus's armor and knock him back several hundred if not thousand yards. odin's durability>>>>galactus?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was mentioned that the blast to Galactus did no real damage. It launched him but only really got his attention. Galactus almost killed him while all his shielding was up in oneshot. Odin couldnt put him down in over 6 pages in his own realm.

Galactus>Odin. No way to argue this one.

Thanos, prepped, vs. Odin (relatively) prepped.

Odin means business.

On the very next page, he tells all the other Asgardians to fall back, as he is ready to take on all the invaders alone

After the first scan I posted above in my previous post, this is the entire fight, scans posted in sequential order of appearance

Odin blasts Thanos

One-shots SS

Thanos closes in for hand-to-hand

After blasting Thanos at point-blank range, and trading punches, Odin is "shocked" that Thanos is still standing. Thanos replies that Odin does not impress him.

Odin and Thanos are fighting long enough to simultaneously enter into a discourse on the source of power, divine nature of the power vs. power from more "base" means, and the capabilities of those powers in regards to divine intent and less regal effrontery

Containment tactics

Odin has had enough of fighting and debating simultaneously, and summons Gungnir, blasting Thanos away across the rainbow bridge all the way into Asgard itself

As Utrigita mentioned, Odin didn't care about Asgard during this fight.

This is a long fight, so I'll continue in the next post...

...After all of this, Odin proclaims victory and remains supreme over a barren wasteland.....yet Thanos STILL stands!!

Without a word, Odin uses Gungnir again at up-close, point-blank range

Fight continues into the skies above Asgard, with Odin again remaining.

But Thanos AGAIN still stands!!!

The devastation wrought to Asgard causes the fight to come to a close.
So, Odin was *not holding back* and was in fact *destroying Asgard in the process, and did not care that he was doing so*

After all of that...Thanos still remained standing at the close of the fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus will be too busy worrying about Tyrant and the fact that Tyrant had him in their last encounter.

Odin and Thanos take out the heralds quickly and all three overwhelm big G. If Aegis and Tenebrous can do it these three can imo. I think Tyrant on his own can beat him.

To be honest, I would place Odin above DP Tyrant anyday, and I highly, highly doubt that the latter could engage G with any kind of success nearing what he achieved last time. If I gave Thanos one-sided prep for a thousand years, AND a bunch of G's heralds as a bargaining chip, would you bet against Thanos doing as well as Tyrant or better? I certainly wouldn't. Tyrant does not have that luxury this time, and we all know what G is capable of when angry. Annihilus knows the answer pretty well.

Using T&A isn't a great example in this case, because either of them would cause team 2 problems. Both of them are way above team 2.

Like the others, I gravitate towards a G vs Odin/Tyrant battle, with Thanos probably having his hands full with the Destroyer. I would pick team 1 to take the majority in that situation.

I give you credit for posting the entire fight. Its so plain to see its hilarious that someone could surmise that Odin has greater durability than Galactus because of the artwork. This is further evidence that is makes sense to read what the characters say and not just look at the pretty artwork.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I give you credit for posting the entire fight. Its so plain to see its hilarious that someone could surmise that Odin has greater durability than Galactus because of the artwork. This is further evidence that is makes sense to read what the characters say and not just look at the pretty artwork.

Originally posted by Ouallada
To be honest, I would place Odin above DP Tyrant anyday, and I highly, highly doubt that the latter could engage G with any kind of success nearing what he achieved last time. If I gave Thanos one-sided prep for a thousand years, AND a bunch of G's heralds as a bargaining chip, would you bet against Thanos doing as well as Tyrant or better? I certainly wouldn't. Tyrant does not have that luxury this time, and we all know what G is capable of when angry. Annihilus knows the answer pretty well.

Using T&A isn't a great example in this case, because either of them would cause team 2 problems. Both of them are way above team 2.

Like the others, I gravitate towards a G vs Odin/Tyrant battle, with Thanos probably having his hands full with the Destroyer. I would pick team 1 to take the majority in that situation.

Thanos didnt have the raw power to fight Tyrant but as it showed in their second confrontation Tyrant still had enough power to defeat and injure Galactus. That is the difference as I see it.

I dont think T and A were that impressive. Sure they beat Galactus but he has a bunch of low showings. The Surfer manipulating the Crunch brought down my opinion of them. I would need to see more but as they stand now not that impressive.

Originally posted by fangirl101
the question was rhetorical. it wasn't really meant to question galactus's durability to odin's. i think other's got that point. if i thought odin's durability was up to galactus's, then i wouldn'thave put odin on a team. one only need look at the entire picture to see inside the frame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Well then no one else knew this but you because he went to all the trouble of putting up this long fight to prove a point to you.

he posted those scans to prove that odin didn't care about asgard. u missed that didn't you?

Originally posted by fangirl101
he posted those scans to prove that odin didn't care about asgard. u missed that didn't you?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have always been from from the school of thought that Tyrant was above Odin. for one he was beating Galactus and for two he made Thanos leave the battle in a much shorter timeframe.

Thanos didnt have the raw power to fight Tyrant but as it showed in their second confrontation Tyrant still had enough power to defeat and injure Galactus. That is the difference as I see it.

I dont think T and A were that impressive. Sure they beat Galactus but he has a bunch of low showings. The Surfer manipulating the Crunch brought down my opinion of them. I would need to see more but as they stand now not that impressive.

Going by that single fight, he may be above Odin's average. What we have then is an inequality that goes: Tyrant with millenia of prep and tech > Odin's average. Does that equation look fair to you, because it doesn't look so to me. My question still stands. Will Thanos be able to replicate Tyrant's feat with millenia of one-sided prep?

As for Thanos leaving the battle earlier against Tyrant, there was nothing else for him against Tyrant. He was in it to get Tyrant's orb and to prove that he could hang with the former. Not exactly the same circumstances as the fight with Odin.

I think it is pretty obvious that there was no PIS whatsoever with the G battle. As for whether or not G was hungry, I think we can agree that G isn't an idiot, and he certainly would not go into a battle with two beings on his power level when he was weak.

Thanos (prepped) vs. Galactus (un-prepped)

As before, this is the entire fight, scans posted in sequential order

Thanos is determined to prevent Galactus from activating the crux, which would release Hunger. So, Thanos has a *huge* interest in prevailing here. Preventing Galactus from activating the crux >>>>> getting Odin to stop Thor's Power Gem and Warrior Madness rampage. So Thanos is trying even harder here, than he did against Odin, where he merely wanted to get "Odin's attention."

Galactus is getting ready to activate the crux, with all the Infinity Gems inside the crux, but Thanos appears,

Infamous scan of Thanos blasting G off his feet, out of Galactus' Vessel, and onto the planetary body below. Very good feat for Thanos...and directly, though temporarily, achieved what he wanted to do (prevent Galactus from activating the crux)

Galactus is MAD. Thanos knows he has only a few seconds until Galactus responds.

The Punisher cyborgs teleport to Thanos, but Thanos knows that in "miliseconds" Galactus himself will appear. To prepare, Thanos activates all defensive shielding.

The shields work, but they are severely taxed and would be completely overwhelmed with a blast from Galactus if he would actually try harder. However, Thanos pleads with Galactus, and the fight is over with one blast from Big G.

The fight is over, but now Thanos must begin pleading his case. Big G actually picks up Thanos like a small toy dog.

Thanos tries his best, and is *begging* Galactus to stop the crux. Remember, Thanos knows that Hunger is waiting and does not want that to occur under any circumstances. However, G grows impatient, literally dumping Thanos on his ass, and tells Thanos the he is beneath his contempt.

So with one blast, G leaves Thanos on his knees and begging, and actually physically manhandles Thanos with one hand. This Thanos is prepped, and determined to prevent G from activating the crux.

Originally posted by Ouallada
Going by that single fight, he may be above Odin's average. What we have then is an inequality that goes: Tyrant with millenia of prep and tech > Odin's average. Does that equation look fair to you, because it doesn't look so to me. My question still stands. Will Thanos be able to replicate Tyrant's feat with millenia of one-sided prep?

As for Thanos leaving the battle earlier against Tyrant, there was nothing else for him against Tyrant. He was in it to get Tyrant's orb and to prove that he could hang with the former. Not exactly the same circumstances as the fight with Odin.

I think it is pretty obvious that there was no PIS whatsoever with the G battle. As for whether or not G was hungry, I think we can agree that G isn't an idiot, and he certainly would not go into a battle with two beings on his power level when he was weak.

Thanos looked worse off in a much shorter amount of time. So we have Thanos prepping for Tyrant with an orb and leaving the scene looking worser for the wear.

When Galactus fought Tyrant he fed so as to be ready for Tyrant. It didnt seem to help him much. Tyrant doing better against Thanos imo and beating a well fed Galactus are enough for me to say hes more than Odin.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant also performed better against Thanos. Thanos also had an orb he used offensively while in the Odin fight he just fought him straight up. Thanos prepped himself for battling Tyrant while the Odin fight just kind of happened.

Thanos looked worse off in a much shorter amount of time. So we have Thanos prepping for Tyrant with an orb and leaving the scene looking worser for the wear.

When Galactus fought Tyrant he fed so as to be ready for Tyrant. It didnt seem to help him much. Tyrant doing better against Thanos imo and beating a well fed Galactus are enough for me to say hes more than Odin.

That still isn't answering whether Tyrant's feats would be replicated by a Thanos with similar one-sided prep-time. My take on the Tyrant fight is this, that Thanos wanted to test himself, which is why he engaged in a physical battle as well, and that he knew that he was never going to win, and was already prepared to teleport away. The length of a battle has never really been an issue with me, because 1) we do not know how much time actually elapsed, and more importantly 2) Odin not arguably showing the same power output as Tyrant doesn't mean much either, The reasons behind the second point are that an argument can thus be made for WM/PG/Thor to have done the most physical damage, as he made Thanos bleed, and that power output is not the only attribute that counts towards power level.

As to your last point on Tyrant beating G, that is contingent on you answering my standing question, is it not?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus will be too busy worrying about Tyrant and the fact that Tyrant had him in their last encounter.

Odin and Thanos take out the heralds quickly and all three overwhelm big G. If Aegis and Tenebrous can do it these three can imo. I think Tyrant on his own can beat him.

Again what worked one time against Galacut is highly unlikely that would work again furthermore PIS is disregarded hence Galactus will not need his tech in order to drain Tyrant dry.

Again Odin will have pay his full attention towards Galactus even though Tyrant is there, he will be hard pressed since his blast = non effective against Galactus. Galactus = Effective against Tyrant. Again Aegis and Tenebrous was under different circumstances Galactus wasn't ready for them and was weakened, here it's a entire different scenario he is fed and ready to battle his opponents.

Originally posted by Ouallada
He did say that he used the HOTU to grant himself a few wishes in the event anything tries to take revenge on him for the whole incident. I think he referenced it when he fought Maker.

Yes I believe that was the one thanks for clearing that up 😄

Galactus confronts De-powered Tyrant for the first time.

Tyrant has not forgotten

nor has Galactus. Galactus fought Tyrant because Tyrant represented a threat to the universal stability which Galactus inherently ensures by his own existence.

Galactus threatens Tyrant, but Tyrant states that he has grown his most powerful (since his exile and de-powerment by Galactus)

Galactus states full-scale war between them could bring unprecedented disaster to the universe. Tyrant says conflict now would benefit neither.

G wants Morg back, then he would begone. Tyrant asks will G confront him again, and G responds that it is inevitable that they face each other in the future. Tryant states that his interests (tyrant's wishes) lie in withdrawal, and he would withdraw if galactus gives him morg. G threatens war

And is building up power....however, Tyrant calls Galactus on his supposition that conflict now would benefit neither, and refuses to give back morg. Galactus gives in, stating to SS that confrontation now would be costly and that he would confront Tyrant later on his own terms.

Galactus leaves, the rest depart, Morg remains, and Tryant continues to build up power.

Originally posted by Ouallada
That still isn't answering whether Tyrant's feats would be replicated by a Thanos with similar one-sided prep-time. My take on the Tyrant fight is this, that Thanos wanted to test himself, which is why he engaged in a physical battle as well, and that he knew that he was never going to win, and was already prepared to teleport away. The length of a battle has never really been an issue with me, because 1) we do not know how much time actually elapsed, and more importantly 2) Odin not arguably showing the same power output as Tyrant doesn't mean much either, The reasons behind the second point are that an argument can thus be made for WM/PG/Thor to have done the most physical damage, as he made Thanos bleed, and that power output is not the only attribute that counts towards power level.

As to your last point on Tyrant beating G, that is contingent on you answering my standing question, is it not?

Ok we dont know how much time elapsed when Thanos fought Odin either. But Thanos prepped for Tyrant and had a weapon while he didnt prepare himself for a war with Odin. Odin's battle lasted more panels and Thanos looked better as his suit was still intact.

Thor can Thanos a bloody nose but we can tell he was nowhere near finished because of the comments he made. He was fine.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Again what worked one time against Galacut is highly unlikely that would work again furthermore PIS is disregarded hence Galactus will not need his tech in order to drain Tyrant dry.

Again Odin will have pay his full attention towards Galactus even though Tyrant is there, he will be hard pressed since his blast = non effective against Galactus. Galactus = Effective against Tyrant. Again Aegis and Tenebrous was under different circumstances Galactus wasn't ready for them and was weakened, here it's a entire different scenario he is fed and ready to battle his opponents.

Now you are right Aegis and Tenebrous only benefited from a weakened Galactus and a surprise attack. Tyrant took on a well fed and mentally prepared Galactus. That is why Tyrant having Galactus down was a lot more impressive than Tenebrous' and Segis' sneak attack on a weak unprepared Galactus.

Lets assume instead that both have learned from there second encounter. which is the most likely event to have happen.

A Galactus that was badly prep in comparison to Tyrant Galactus never thought he would see Tyrant again showed in Tenebrous scans, Tyrant was backing just as much down as Galactus was in the scans posted by Tenebrous, at that Point even Though Galactus was weak Tyrant wasn't interested in a Conflict even though he claimed he was on his highest level of power since his depowerment. This IMO all speaks for Tyrant in some way counting on Galactus using his tech against Tyrant in some fashion so that Tyrant could bend that Technology to his will. And both knew as the scans also show that the winner if they fought now would be the one that was most powerfuln but such a battle would cause untold destruction hence both where not insterested in it.