Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Did you know the Punsiher has shot Spiderman? Do you know how he did? He studied Spiderman and he tricked him. Those people who are shooting bullets are not as intelligent as Cap or Punisher and therefore it is easier for Spiderman to dodge.
He shot his web shooters. This shouldn't even make the SS kick in.
With that said, smarts have nothing to do with dodging multiple bullets that are aim at him from different angles.
Originally posted by h1a8
SM never never knows what the danger or attack is.
This is explained in the comics. All he knows is that there is danger and how to get out of the way (it guides him).
The point is that it cant guide him from all things just 1 split second in the future. The SS was not able to warn not to web up the shield that is too detailed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Why isn't multiple bullets coming at him from all angles, each in sucession with a smaller interval than any two attacks CA can throw, not to detail for SM's SS then?
Because they have not studied him. Punisher was just one gun man and he manged to trick the spidersense.
Originally posted by h1a8
SM has turned twisted through the air to avoid many nasty fast attacks before. He's not quite a sitting duck in the air now.
Lol but he cant fly even if he twists his body hes still a sitting duck.
Originally posted by h1a8
Again, he never knows what the attack is (his SS do), yet his SS guides him out of the way of multiple danger that is in smaller time intervals than anything CA can do.
Then that means he wasnt completely using his SS some of it is reflexes and Cap has similar reflexes. Which means some of the dodging simply came from moving too fast for them to hit him.
Originally posted by h1a8
He was able to dodge the bullet because he was warned its different if he doesnt even know whats going to happen.
the point is his SS was not able to warn him that he shouldnt web up the shield.
Originally posted by h1a8
He shot his web shooters. This shouldn't even make the SS kick in.
With that said, smarts have nothing to do with dodging multiple bullets that are aim at him from different angles.
Yes it would because he needs the webshooters, after that Punisher shot him in mid-jump.
Originally posted by Marvelknight. And he has fought others who are on par (if not better) than Cap in terms of fighting skills, and did well against them. In His fight with Wolverine, Spidey clearly allowed Wolverine to gain the advantage. And if he didn't have the Adamantium, Wolverine would've been dead now.
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………………..Are you kidding me did you not even read your own scan?
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Wolverine let Spiderman Punch him.
……….did you just say Logan would be dead if he did not have his adamatium skeleton? Shut up your ignorance is amazing. Logan would have been far from dead with out his adamatium skeleton, the guy had taken punches from guys far superior to Spiderman level of strength.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
………………..Are you kidding me did you not even read your own scan?
http://img506.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvswolverine569il.jpgWolverine let Spiderman Punch him.
……….did you just say Logan would be dead if he did not have his adamatium skeleton? Shut up your ignorance is amazing. Logan would have been far from dead with out his adamatium skeleton, the guy had taken punches from guys far superior to Spiderman level of strength.
Wolverine isn't taking anything without the Adamantium or the HF. I'm a big Wolverine fan too. Why don't you the admit the truth sometimes, not "your" truth.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
That doesn't prove that he is taking Spidey's powerful blows.http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=goldstatue1wl.jpg
Spidey would kill Cap if he hit him with that same amount of force.
So does the fact that he's taken a bullrush from Namor(also stronger than Spidey)
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And a punch from Namor...
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Oh and the fact that Spidey himself couldn't one shot Cap when it was a cheap shot would certainly seem to suggest it...
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As I said before, even if we go strictly by high ended feats Cap still has what it takes to hang with Spidey any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Really cause the fact that it takes Powerman(who's a fair share stronger than Spidey) three hit's to KO Cap even though Cap's unable to roll with the blows properly(because of the Enchantress) seems to suggest that Spidey's not going to be one shotting Cap...
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http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9357/avengers02180020jc1.jpgSo does the fact that he's taken a bullrush from Namor(also stronger than Spidey)
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/4633/p13ue3.jpg
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/613/p12cs1.jpgAnd a punch from Namor...
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/3695/captainamerica365actsofmi8.jpgOh and the fact that Spidey himself couldn't one shot Cap when it was a cheap shot would certainly seem to suggest it...
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http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/7376/specspidey17003fb8.jpgAs I said before, even if we go strictly by high ended feats Cap still has what it takes to hang with Spidey any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
So That was Spider-Man's most powerful hit, right? Wrong. That was a solid gold statue Spidey shattered. He clearly used less force when he took that cheap shot. I know Cap can take a lot lot of punishment. But he has a breaking point. And he doesn't have his shield to help him. Spider-Man has also shown that he can be even stronger when he pushes himself to the limit. Spidey will beat Cap. It may take awhile, but he will get it done. He is capable of a lot more than Cap.
Originally posted by Marvelknight
So That was Spider-Man's most powerful hit, right? Wrong. That was a solid gold statue Spidey shattered. He clearly used more less when he took that cheap shot. I know Cap can take a lot lot of punishment. But he has a breaking point. And he doesn't have his shield to help him. Spider-Man has also shown that he can be even stronger when he pushes himself to the limit. Spidey will beat Cap. It may take awhile, but he will get it done. He Capable of a lot more than Cap.
And even if it was a much a strength feat as you're making it out to be(which it's not), Namor and Powerman are both capable of far more. You have to remember you're not just dealing with peak human durability, you're dealing with peak human durability that's covered in armor.
And I don't doubt Spidey's ability to KO Cap, but Cap has just as much chance of KOing Spidey because he'll be attacking pressure points. If both characters can put the other down with just a few hits it's going to come down to who hits first and most often, and Cap's significant skill advantage has consistently been shown to trump Spidey's slight speed advantage.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I don't know if you overlooked it but Spidey was told were to punch to shatter that statue, so the feat's not that impressive a striking feat because he pretty much tagged his "weak spot". You do realize that Daredevil has shattered Absorbing Man while he was in Diamond form in a similar manner right?And even if it was a much a strength feat as you're making it out to be(which it's not), Namor and Powerman are both capable of far more. You have to remember you're not just dealing with peak human durability, you're dealing with peak human durability that's covered in armor.
And I don't doubt Spidey's ability to KO Cap, but Cap has just as much chance of KOing Spidey because he'll be attacking pressure points. If both characters can put the other down with just a few hits it's going to come down to who hits first and most often, and Cap's significant skill advantage has consistently been shown to trump Spidey's slight speed advantage.
Not against Spider-Man when he is going all out. Spider-Man has more than a "slight" speed advantage. Better reflexes and agility. Cap can't keep up with Spidey while he is on the move. NYC is Spidey's playground, he can use that to his advantage.
Originally posted by Mindset
Spiderman is a Cap fanboy.Btw, Spiderman would have potentially gotten the first hits in at least 2 of those fights if Cap didn't have his shield.
I laugh at people who attack Cap for blocking with his shield.
"If he were that fast, he wouldn't NEED the shield! He'd just dodge!"
As if using a tool makes you any less able. All it does is make you more intelligent.
You can speculate that Spidey would have landed a hit if Cap hadn't had his shield, or you could speculate that Cap would have slipped the punch and looped Spidey's arm, then throwing him through a brick wall. Both options possess equal validity.
Originally posted by Soljer
I laugh at people who attack Cap for blocking with his shield."If he were that fast, he wouldn't NEED the shield! He'd just dodge!"
As if using a tool makes you any less able. All it does is make you more intelligent.
You can speculate that Spidey would have landed a hit if Cap hadn't had his shield, or you could speculate that Cap would have slipped the punch and looped Spidey's arm, then throwing him through a brick wall. Both options possess equal validity.
I'm not attacking Cap, it's an observation, and a valid one at that seeing as in this thread Cap does not have his shield. Also as you notice I said potentially, while others are making it seem like Cap will definitely land the first blow, now which one seems less reasonable?
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm not attacking Cap, it's an observation, and a valid one at that seeing as in this thread Cap does not have his shield. Also as you notice I said potentially, while others are making it seem like Cap will definitely land the first blow, now which one seems less reasonable?
You're asking me which is more reasonable between...
a, comparatively, novice fighter that possesses a slight speed advantage landing the first blow
-and-
A fighter that has, more or less, the cumulative skill of every human being on the planet but is slightly slower landing the first blow?
Well, I think my answer to that would be quite obvious.
If you're asking me which is more reasonable between "Cap will DEFINITELY land the first blow" and "Spidey might land the first blow," then I'd most certainly say the latter.
Originally posted by Mindset
It's pretty obvious what I'm asking you, but just in case it needs to be calrified, it's is it more reasonable that Cap will definitely land the first blow, or is it reasonable that Spiderman has a chance at landing it.
Well, I already answered that.
If you're asking me which is more reasonable between "Cap will DEFINITELY land the first blow" and "Spidey might land the first blow," then I'd most certainly say the latter.
