Hank Henshaw vs Darkseid

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Darkseid is equal to Superman. Superman has him beat in hand to hand combat formidability and durability while darkseid has him beat in versatility and power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos is above top tiers and survives blasts that otherwise oneshot the Silver Surfer from Odin. He is on a whole other level than all of the characters being mentioned aside from Odin.

Going on this logic.
Henshaw is far above what he was (as Thanos is above top tiers). How can you possibly compare current Henshaw to him back then? Using this logic, you might as well compare Thanos to the top tiers that he's far above.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I proved a point with the Annihilus comment. I wouldnt even say that Annihilus would dominate Henshaw but if we go on durability from these two blasts then its no contest. We cant just go on this though now can we?

Plus, are you seriously comparing something that could destroy 3 star systems to a galaxy destroying blast?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok if he is more durable how many shots do you think Henshaw can survive?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes I am talking about the green lanterns doing a lot of damage to the Am as opposed to the scratches that the Guardians did to him.

The Guardians rarely do much it seems.

Oh wow. Do you honestly believe what you just typed? The Lanterns threw an attack at him that could destroy a galaxy. The Guardians used their own power to damage AM.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They took shots at Prime and like I have said many times one killed himself because one must only assume he doubted the could kill him.

He threw him in with the multiverse.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again if henshaw can survive one omega effect he wont be in any shape to beat darkseid at full strength. Darkseid is right underneath Superman in hand to hand and I believe he could beat henshaw if not with one shots 2.

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Superman survived the omega effect when its set to kill him.

Superman:
"Still here Darkseid! Anything else you want to throw at me--?"

Originally posted by -K-M-

Adventures of Superman #595 [Vol.1]
Superman and Darkseid have a brief battle, before it is interrupted by Braniac attacking Apokolips with War World and finding out Darkseid’s own son sided with Braniac.

1. http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/AdventuresOfSuperman595pg09.jpg
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Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And when you think Superman beats Darkseid all the time?

Uh-huh...

Going on this logic.
Henshaw is far above what he was (as Thanos is above top tiers). How can you possibly compare current Henshaw to him back then? Using this logic, you might as well compare Thanos to the top tiers that he's far above.

What did you prove?
That Annihilus with his skin being the strongest in the universe can survive a 3 star system destroying blast?

Plus, are you seriously comparing something that could destroy 3 star systems to a galaxy destroying blast?

Enough.

hysterical

Oh wow. Do you honestly believe what you just typed? The Lanterns threw an attack at him that could destroy a galaxy. The Guardians used their own power to damage AM.

Guardians are known to sacrifice themselves. He was against someone who was powerful, so he wanted to finish it fast, and think of others.

He threw him in with the multiverse.

But even surviving one goes against what you previously stated. 🙂

Darkseid wanted him to fall. He hit him like 3 times (not counting him unleashing continuous beams).

Superman:
"Still here Darkseid! Anything else you want to throw at me--?"

Henshaw is more durable but not enough to survive the omega effect.

3 star systems aint nothing to sake a stick at and he looked in pristine condition. The Galaxy blast had him reduced to a mere head. Its like Supermans arm surviving a galaxy destroying blast.

The green lanterns used ingenuity to save the day. I never said it was under their own power. With less power they accomplished more than the beings who gave them power. I can see why the have the lanterns fight for them. 😂

So the Guardians kill themselves all the time. What a neat little trick. Again with all their knowledge this little dummy didnt realize it would only bfr Prime and actually empower him further. Now your really impressing me. 😆

Where in those scans did Darkseid use his omega effect?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And when you think Superman beats Darkseid all the time?

Uh-huh...

Going on this logic.
Henshaw is far above what he was (as Thanos is above top tiers). How can you possibly compare current Henshaw to him back then? Using this logic, you might as well compare Thanos to the top tiers that he's far above.

What did you prove?
That Annihilus with his skin being the strongest in the universe can survive a 3 star system destroying blast?

Plus, are you seriously comparing something that could destroy 3 star systems to a galaxy destroying blast?

Enough.

hysterical

Oh wow. Do you honestly believe what you just typed? The Lanterns threw an attack at him that could destroy a galaxy. The Guardians used their own power to damage AM.

Guardians are known to sacrifice themselves. He was against someone who was powerful, so he wanted to finish it fast, and think of others.

He threw him in with the multiverse.

But even surviving one goes against what you previously stated. 🙂

Darkseid wanted him to fall. He hit him like 3 times (not counting him unleashing continuous beams).

Superman:
"Still here Darkseid! Anything else you want to throw at me--?"

Interesting that both Henshaw and Supes both like to say, "Still here."

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said Superman beats him all the time.

Henshaw is more durable but not enough to survive the omega effect.

3 star systems aint nothing to sake a stick at and he looked in pristine condition. The Galaxy blast had him reduced to a mere head. Its like Supermans arm surviving a galaxy destroying blast.

The green lanterns used ingenuity to save the day. I never said it was under their own power. With less power they accomplished more than the beings who gave them power. I can see why the have the lanterns fight for them. 😂

So the Guardians kill themselves all the time. What a neat little trick. Again with all their knowledge this little dummy didnt realize it would only bfr Prime and actually empower him further. Now your really impressing me. 😆

Where in those scans did Darkseid use his omega effect?

Again you repeat this. I'm sorry, but this is just annoying now. I'm done here after this post.
Your whole argument is based off of something from 15 years ago, and yet you acknowledge that he's more durable.
I don't get it.

Annihilus seemed weakened after it. And it is nothing compared to a galaxy destroying blast... so, I don't get what you think.
And his head survived, but I bet you'd agree that he's be gone after that 15 years ago.

With less power, and the help of Warworld... actually more power, as they had to shield against it. 😐
I don't see how this is any knock on the Guardians... or even relevant.

Well, anyway, since you want to be a butt plug towards me...
I think you read the story, so why are you playing dumb here (not that it's a play, as you always seem to act like a failure)? Anyway, he said his power eclipsed Prime's, but it's what they do. Blamed them, but it doesn't make them lose to your precious Thanos.
If you actually took the time to read a story through like you never seem to do, then you would realize that the Guardian removed his body atom by atom out of the universe, and if he survived, he was warped into the multiverse. Which means that it was meant to BFR him. Duh.
Even if you glanced at the page, you would have seen this. Did you even read this story? Or were you impressed by the pretty colors, and "OMG!!! Prime owned this guy! That means I can somehow shift this around to make it look like Thanos didzorz it! Yes!", because you certainly seem to know nothing about it.

What is it then? Because I would love to see how you manipulate it.

Respond if you will, as I would love to see you step on your own feet some more, but I won't be partaking anymore, as you're as annoying as nvr right now. Even I have a limit on patience.
So, anyway, all I have to say is 'shoo'.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You certainly make it seem so on the forum.

Again you repeat this. I'm sorry, but this is just annoying now. I'm done here after this post.
Your whole argument is based off of something from 15 years ago, and yet you acknowledge that he's more durable.
I don't get it.

Annihilus seemed weakened after it. And it is nothing compared to a galaxy destroying blast... so, I don't get what you think.
And his head survived, but I bet you'd agree that he's be gone after that 15 years ago.

With less power, and the help of Warworld... actually more power, as they had to shield against it. 😐
I don't see how this is any knock on the Guardians... or even relevant.

Well, anyway, since you want to be a butt plug towards me...
I think you read the story, so why are you playing dumb here (not that it's a play, as you always seem to act like a failure)? Anyway, he said his power eclipsed Prime's, but it's what they do. Blamed them, but it doesn't make them lose to your precious Thanos.
If you actually took the time to read a story through like you never seem to do, then you would realize that the Guardian removed his body atom by atom out of the universe, and if he survived, he was warped into the multiverse. Which means that it was meant to BFR him. Duh.
Even if you glanced at the page, you would have seen this. Did you even read this story? Or were you impressed by the pretty colors, and "OMG!!! Prime owned this guy! That means I can somehow shift this around to make it look like Thanos didzorz it! Yes!", because you certainly seem to know nothing about it.

What is it then? Because I would love to see how you manipulate it.

Respond if you will, as I would love to see you step on your own feet some more, but I won't be partaking anymore, as you're as annoying as nvr right now. Even I have a limit on patience.
So, anyway, all I have to say is 'shoo'.

The three start system destroying blast did weaken Annihilus somewhat but not to the point of being a head. It was stated as just three star systems but prolly more by the way.

Its a knock against the intelligence of the Guardians. Because with more power they accomplished less.

The key words if he survived. They werent sure of this. But he did survive and was powered up in the process. So to bfr him the guy took his own life. Awesome. They also thought Henshaw was reduced to ash,wrong again on the Guardians part.

Again what does this have to do with Thanos?

Well Darkseid shoots his beams all the time but that doesnt mean he is using the full power of the omega effect. In apokolips no wwhen he shot it Superman had to avoid it. It makes sense when you think about it bran.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Uh-huh...
What about when Superman has taken the OE?

When has Superman taken the Omega Effect? I mean, we know he's taken the Omega Beams, but I don't think I've ever seen him take the Omega Effect.

And where is everybody getting this idea that Henshaw is more durable than Superman? Just in case everyone forgot, in Sinestro Corps, Henshaw's body was destroyed.

Originally posted by batdude123
When has Superman taken the Omega Effect? I mean, we know he's taken the Omega Beams, but I don't think I've ever seen him take the Omega Effect.

And where is everybody getting this idea that Henshaw is more durable than Superman? Just in case everyone forgot, in Sinestro Corps, Henshaw's body was destroyed.

Have you read this thread, or even this page? Nobody has forgotten.

It's been outright stated on panel...by both Henshaw and Superman both. "He's part machine." And that was back in the day.

Like I said, the only reason writers let him get blown to bits is because he can come back from it so easily. Same deal with Wolverine.

Originally posted by jadervason
Have you read this thread, or even this page? Nobody has forgotten.

It's been outright stated on panel...by both Henshaw and Superman both. "He's part machine." And that was back in the day.

Like I said, the only reason writers let him get blown to bits is because he can come back from it so easily. Same deal with Wolverine.

Okay? I don't see how any of this is really relevant to the points I brought up.

Originally posted by batdude123
When has Superman taken the Omega Effect? I mean, we know he's taken the Omega Beams, but I don't think I've ever seen him take the Omega Effect.

And where is everybody getting this idea that Henshaw is more durable than Superman? Just in case everyone forgot, in Sinestro Corps, Henshaw's body was destroyed.

Originally posted by batdude123
When has Superman taken the Omega Effect? I mean, we know he's taken the Omega Beams, but I don't think I've ever seen him take the Omega Effect.

And where is everybody getting this idea that Henshaw is more durable than Superman? Just in case everyone forgot, in Sinestro Corps, Henshaw's body was destroyed.

Cyborg usually looks better in Superman fights. Plus, only half of his body was destroyed, and then AM's body apparently melted it down to just a head/spine.

Yeah there's a difference and he can control how potent the beams are

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_v1_11_08.jpg

Rarely are they ever at full power

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah there's a difference and he can control how potent the beams are

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_v1_11_08.jpg

Rarely are they ever at full power

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I realize that he can control the power output... however, I've only heard on the forum that there's a difference. srug

His beams are often called "Finders Beams", which are followed by Omega Beams if he wants to. The Omega Effect is basically the beams at full power. So yes there is a difference

Originally posted by batdude123
And where is everybody getting this idea that Henshaw is more durable than Superman?

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
AOS 495 he 'took' the Omega Effect... 😖hifty:
But hmm... it seems you're right (although there's a couple times where nothing was said). Must have been reading too many 'Quan hates Darkseid' posts.
Although, I do have to ask, is there any difference between the OE, and OB besides the name? Because I've seen him say he was going to unleash the Omega Effect, and then in the next sentence tell people to fear the Omega Beams. Is there a confirmed difference?

Generally, yes, there is a difference between the Omega Effect and the Omega Beams.

Imo, it's so Darkseid doesn't look like a pussy if someone takes the Omega Beams and shrug them off. As in, he still has another, more powerful weapon to attack you with just in case it makes him look weak. 😆

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Cyborg usually looks better in Superman fights. Plus, only half of his body was destroyed, and then AM's body apparently melted it down to just a head/spine.

Maybe, but outside of getting half his body destroyed in Sinestro Corp, I don't see how anyone can justify the claim of Henshaw being out and out more durable than Superman.

Also, I don't recall it being stated that Anti-Monitor was part of the reason as to why Henshaw was reduced to a head and spine...

Originally posted by batdude123
Generally, yes, there is a difference between the Omega Effect and the Omega Beams.

Imo, it's so Darkseid doesn't look like a pussy if someone takes the Omega Beams and shrug them off. As in, he still has another, more powerful weapon to attack you with just in case it makes him look weak. 😆

Maybe, but outside of getting half his body destroyed in Sinestro Corp, I don't see how anyone can justify the claim of Henshaw being out and out more durable than Superman.

Also, I don't recall it being stated that Anti-Monitor was part of the reason as to why Henshaw was reduced to a head and spine...

When the omegas hit Henshaw, superman wasn't even the target and was hurtin'. At that point in time, Superman probably could not have defeated Darkseid. During the Trial of Superman, Henshaw and Superman both acknowledged that the fact Henshaw is half machine makes him more durable. And that was years and years ago...

Originally posted by batdude123
Generally, yes, there is a difference between the Omega Effect and the Omega Beams.

Imo, it's so Darkseid doesn't look like a pussy if someone takes the Omega Beams and shrug them off. As in, he still has another, more powerful weapon to attack you with just in case it makes him look weak. 😆

The way I see it, is that it's just another name judging from this:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_v1_11_19.jpg

At least he's still got his Omega Force... and whatever hand jive motion he did to Superman in Countdown #3.

Originally posted by batdude123
Maybe, but outside of getting half his body destroyed in Sinestro Corp, I don't see how anyone can justify the claim of Henshaw being out and out more durable than Superman.

Also, I don't recall it being stated that Anti-Monitor was part of the reason as to why Henshaw was reduced to a head and spine...

Assuming.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/GL031.jpg

Next we see him, he's half a head with a cord connecting a piece of his spine.

Originally posted by jadervason
When the omegas hit Henshaw, superman wasn't even the target and was hurtin'. At that point in time, Superman probably could not have defeated Darkseid. During the Trial of Superman, Henshaw and Superman both acknowledged that the fact Henshaw is half machine makes him more durable. And that was years and years ago...

Exactly. "Years and years ago" isn't a great way to determine which of the two are more durable as of right now.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Omega Force?

The way I see it, is that it's just another name judging from this:
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_v1_11_19.jpg

At least he's still got his Omega Force... and whatever hand jive motion he did to Superman in Countdown #3.

You've got a point, but over the years, the way Darkseid's powers are depicted in each individual case vary wildly.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
There's really nothing to compare them, except Henshaw looking slightly better when the two are together.
And his two last things that attacked him.

Henshaw has never looked physically superior to Superman as far as can recall. Imo, Superman has always had the physical edge while Henshaw obviously has the versatility edge.

Also, Hal Jordan has broken Henshaw's jaw before with a construct-punch.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
Assuming.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Superman/GL031.jpg

Next we see him, he's half a head with a cord connecting a piece of his spine.

hmm

Indeed, that is something one can easily overlook. However, I don't see how it proves all that much considering his body was still, for the most part, greatly f*cked up.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Yeah there's a difference and he can control how potent the beams are

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/New_Gods_v1_11_08.jpg

Rarely are they ever at full power

Originally posted by batdude123
You've got a point, but over the years, the way Darkseid's powers are depicted in each individual case vary wildly.

I haven't seen him use the Omega Force since before the Crisis...

And I don't even know what that hand thing was, but it caused more damage to Superman than a lot of attacks I've seen attempted against him.

Originally posted by batdude123
Henshaw has never looked physically superior to Superman as far as can recall. Imo, Superman has always had the physical edge while Henshaw obviously has the versatility edge.

Also, Hal Jordan has broken Henshaw's jaw before with a construct-punch.

What's this supposed to mean? It's Jordan. Plus, that construct glove looked cool, so I'm assuming it was hella powerful.
Although Ari... ermm

Originally posted by batdude123
hmm

Indeed, that is something one can easily overlook. However, I don't see how it proves all that much considering his body was still, for the most part, greatly f*cked up.

What is that, like 200-400 billion stars? 😬

Hell, was he even knocked out? 😖hifty: