Im sort of in the middle here as two who wins this but really i think the comparisons with the power gem are irreelvant and rather pointless. Yes thanos did defeat thor with the gem but it should be considered that thor was in warrior madness and hence was totally inept at using the power of the gem. Thanos was able to contain a warrior mad thor who did not evn come close to knowing how to use the full powers of the gem. Hence we really cannot say how big of a feat that is in truth. Also indeed thor did trash the surfer and other toptiers but it should also not be forgotten that thor in warrior madness WITHOUT the gem has defeated these same top tiers before and hence we really cant determine to what level the gem amped him considering that the things he did throughout the arc were things he has done before without the gem.
Further to simply take the definition of the gem and then ascribe the power given in the definiton without taking into account the mastery of the user and the actual evnts that happened is rather foolish. Ive seen arguments saying that because the gem CAN give its user infinite power then it must have done the same for thor. Howver the fact is that we go by feats and given the actual events that took place it is obvious that the gem DID NOT give thor infinte power because of his ineptitude at using it. All the things thor accomplished with the gem were things he could have accomplished as normal warrior mad thor with no gem. Considering the history of the gem and the feats of its users i would certainly put WWH strength above it because not only does he have way better strength feats than any gem user but also because he has shown against drax the ability to match the strength given by the power gem.
Now i understand that in that case drax certainly did not know how to use the gem properly and therefore did not tap into its powers fully but i would like to put forth that drax with the gem would actually be more intelligent than a mad thor with the gem who was unable to evn make sentences and drax therefore would likely be a better user of the gem than a mad thor or at least on par with him. And once more considering that drax with the gem did not really receive a very sufficient amp because of his inability to use it properly then a mad thor with the gem certainly would not receive that much of an amp either or tap into much of its power. Hence the reason i do not think that thanos will be able to trap juggerhulk in the same manner he trapped thor. Mad thor is ten times stronger than normal thor and i assume that strength would have further increased because of the gem but i dont think it would have increased by that much. That being said a normal savage hulk is cpable of becoming far stronger than thor and going by WWH feats he was already a few times stronger than thor from the get go without amping. He was able to physically destroy hercules who is on par with thor strengthwise. Therefore i am not sure thatthe tactic of imprisonment will work on WWH at all and especially not on juggerhulk if his power is multiplied by the same ratio cains is. This however is a point of contention as im not sure if it will amp his strength by that ratio or if it will simply give him durability and give him a fixed amount of strength.
If it multiplies his strength then the only way i see thanos winning is BFR. If it simply gives him a fixed amount of strength plus durability then thanos wins no problems.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicThor beat the crap out of a prepped Strange easily with the Watch and the Surfer. Id say he was more than pretty effective considering who he went through.
Your opinion has not been proven as fact. Thor did not have full knowledge of how to use the Power Gem. Thanos was on the verge of getting his ass handed to him, and thus he trapped Thor.I'd be more impressed, and easier to convince if Thor had possession of the Gem for a few months. He was inept at using the Power gem... face it. The Champion had to teach Titania how to use the Power Gem (iirc).
Thor needed a lesson as well. As far as I am concerned, Thor in his retarded and drunken state, might as well have pasted a button on his forehead and said "me wear Power Gem"... he had no way of being able to tap into the power Gem on a subconcious level, when he was incapable of having a simple conversation.
When Strange scratches his head and doesnt have a solution then you know hes badass. He was shocked someone contained him but then again its Thanos. The guy just had that kind of tech laying around.
Originally posted by CaptainStoicPoint is Thor was getting stronger and stronger while we saw the Hulk run out of juice against the Sentry. Thor with power gem>>>WW Hulk. Gun contained Thor so it would contain Hulk with the cytorrak gem.
What does that have to do with the subject? This is not regular Hulk we are talking about.
Originally posted by ultimatethorRead the scans I posted. He sent an energy attack back at Strange and company using the gem. You obviously didnt read my scans a few pages back. Thor just on his own in warrior madness stage or not could not defeat the Watch,Strange,and Surfer at once and easily without the gem. He used it in battle and it was stated on panel.
Im sort of in the middle here as two who wins this but really i think the comparisons with the power gem are irreelvant and rather pointless. Yes thanos did defeat thor with the gem but it should be considered that thor was in warrior madness and hence was totally inept at using the power of the gem. Thanos was able to contain a warrior mad thor who did not evn come close to knowing how to use the full powers of the gem. Hence we really cannot say how big of a feat that is in truth. Also indeed thor did trash the surfer and other toptiers but it should also not be forgotten that thor in warrior madness WITHOUT the gem has defeated these same top tiers before and hence we really cant determine to what level the gem amped him considering that the things he did throughout the arc were things he has done before without the gem.Further to simply take the definition of the gem and then ascribe the power given in the definiton without taking into account the mastery of the user and the actual evnts that happened is rather foolish. Ive seen arguments saying that because the gem CAN give its user infinite power then it must have done the same for thor. Howver the fact is that we go by feats and given the actual events that took place it is obvious that the gem DID NOT give thor infinte power because of his ineptitude at using it. All the things thor accomplished with the gem were things he could have accomplished as normal warrior mad thor with no gem. Considering the history of the gem and the feats of its users i would certainly put WWH strength above it because not only does he have way better strength feats than any gem user but also because he has shown against drax the ability to match the strength given by the power gem.
Now i understand that in that case drax certainly did not know how to use the gem properly and therefore did not tap into its powers fully but i would like to put forth that drax with the gem would actually be more intelligent than a mad thor with the gem who was unable to evn make sentences and drax therefore would likely be a better user of the gem than a mad thor or at least on par with him. And once more considering that drax with the gem did not really receive a very sufficient amp because of his inability to use it properly then a mad thor with the gem certainly would not receive that much of an amp either or tap into much of its power. Hence the reason i do not think that thanos will be able to trap juggerhulk in the same manner he trapped thor. Mad thor is ten times stronger than normal thor and i assume that strength would have further increased because of the gem but i dont think it would have increased by that much. That being said a normal savage hulk is cpable of becoming far stronger than thor and going by WWH feats he was already a few times stronger than thor from the get go without amping. He was able to physically destroy hercules who is on par with thor strengthwise. Therefore i am not sure thatthe tactic of imprisonment will work on WWH at all and especially not on juggerhulk if his power is multiplied by the same ratio cains is. This however is a point of contention as im not sure if it will amp his strength by that ratio or if it will simply give him durability and give him a fixed amount of strength.If it multiplies his strength then the only way i see thanos winning is BFR. If it simply gives him a fixed amount of strength plus durability then thanos wins no problems.
It was also stated tha in the containment block that he was growing stronger with each passing second meaning he was using the gem.
I already explained that Champion and Drax really didnt know what they were doing with the gem as opposed to Thor who was growing stronger with each passing second. He was described as a universal threat. WW Hulk was just called a worldbreaker and couldnt wax IronMan easily and quickly. WMadness Thor could take WW Hulk imo but if you throw the gem in there WW Hulk gets raped.
As for this thread Thanos either bfrs him or encases him in energy for the win.
Originally posted by llagrok
Touched a sore spot there, did I?
No you didn't, I really never get worked up over the little things... I was only wondering why you brought that up? In his entire history in comics, the Hulk has never reverted to Bruce Banner because he simply ran out of Hulk juice. Could this have been poor writing on the part of Marvel.... the laser attack is also suspect, but then again they needed a way of ending WWHulk, and without actually killing anyone.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor beat the crap out of a prepped Strange easily with the Watch and the Surfer. Id say he was more than pretty effective considering who he went through.When Strange scratches his head and doesnt have a solution then you know hes badass. He was shocked someone contained him but then again its Thanos. The guy just had that kind of tech laying around.
Wasn't that Adam Warlock that defeated Dr. Strange?
Originally posted by CaptainStoicAgain you cant hav it both ways. Most agree that WW Hulk was the strongest Hulk had ever been even if had had better feats prior. But even at his angriest he still cooled down in the middle of the Sentry battle. Thor was continually getting stronger with each passing second.
No you didn't, I really never get worked up over the little things... I was only wondering why you brought that up? In his entire history in comics, the Hulk has never reverted to Bruce Banner because he simply ran out of Hulk juice. Could this have been poor writing on the part of Marvel.... the laser attack is also suspect, but then again they needed a way of ending WWHulk, and without actually killing anyone.Wasn't that Adam Warlock that defeated Dr. Strange?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Again you cant hav it both ways. Most agree that WW Hulk was the strongest Hulk had ever been even if had had better feats prior. But even at his angriest he still cooled down in the middle of the Sentry battle. Thor was continually getting stronger with each passing second.
it's not WWHulks strength that I am bringing to the table, but the enchantment that would surround him... the containment would be useless, it would be like holding a wet fish that was oiled down as well.
Juggerhulk would simply break out of it in instants (Because of the enchantment granted to all of Cyttorak's Heralds).
Originally posted by CaptainStoicProve it.
it's not WWHulks strength that I am bringing to the table, but the enchantment that would surround him... the containment would be useless, it would be like holding a wet fish that was oiled down as well.Juggerhulk would simply break out of it in instants (Because of the enchantment granted to all of Cyttorak's Heralds).
Hulk wasn't particularly angry towards Sentry, even whilst pounding on him he was trying to teach the poor sob a lesson regarding power and fear of becoming a monster.
if Hulk "ran out of power" there would be no SSJ Hulk afterwards... Hulk would need to +replenish+ that power before being able to go SSJ.
truth of it is that, Hulk wasn't allowed to kill Sentry, Hulk would kill Sentry if he punched Robert, so Banner had to KO Sentry instead.
which makes no sense as "Banner IS Hulk" is the message that is hammered home throughout vol #3 upto and including the WWH arc and Banner has KO'd Abomination!