Originally posted by King Kandy
If God opposed Satan in Job he wouldn't just allow him to go off and torture people. God flat out told Satan it was okay to do it. If he wasn't his boss, he was at least an enabler.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah well in this case God actually said "yeah sure go and have fun as long as you don't kill anyone. It's all good. Actually, kill as many people as you want as long as they aren't Job."
* this only happened in Job's case, and no one else... do not generalize...
Originally posted by chickenlover98
if godcreated everything, he created satan. and he woulda known that he woulda betrayed him. so gods a sadist.
* true, God created everything... true, He created a beautiful angel, and this angel became ambitious and wants to be in equality with God... and no, God did not know Satan would betray Him, because God does not know everything... when some people do evil things, it did not even came into God's mind...
Originally posted by peejayd
* this only happened in Job's case, and no one else... do not generalize...* true, God created everything... true, He created a beautiful angel, and this angel became ambitious and wants to be in equality with God... and no, God did not know Satan would betray Him, because God does not know everything... when some people do evil things, it did not even came into God's mind...
How do you know...
Why are you so convinced that you're right, when the only evidence of your 'faith' is a book conveniently written by the followers of said faith.
Just because YOU believe job this and job that doesn't lend any creditbility to it or that we have to believe in it.
Good for you then, but why do you feel the need to defend you faith, When it does you no or your faith personally any harm if others don't believe and explain why they don't.
It may seem i'm having a go at you i'd just like to say i'm not i'm just curious why the religious majority always feel scared or intimated just because some decide not to believe and justify their reasons.
Originally posted by GGS
Good for you then, but why do you feel the need to defend you faith, When it does you no or your faith personally any harm if others don't believe and explain why they don't.It may seem i'm having a go at you i'd just like to say i'm not i'm just curious why the religious majority always feel scared or intimated just because some decide not to believe and justify their reasons.
religion discussion forum?
Originally posted by King Kandy
This conversation was ABOUT Job. I said Satan was never a rebel against God until the new testament. Someone brought up Job. I explained why it was not so.
* Satan is a rebel since the beginning of man... remember how he deceived Eve in the garden of Eden?
Originally posted by GGS
Good for you then, but why do you feel the need to defend you faith, When it does you no or your faith personally any harm if others don't believe and explain why they don't.It may seem i'm having a go at you i'd just like to say i'm not i'm just curious why the religious majority always feel scared or intimated just because some decide not to believe and justify their reasons.
* yeah, sometimes i feel the need to defend my faith but basically, i'm just trying to share and clarify things which are supposed to be... your point well taken...
"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
Genesis 3:1
* the serpent in Genesis was never named in the Old Testament...
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity that is toward Christ."
II Corinthians 11:3
* it was confirmed that the serpent is the one that beguiled/deceived Eve in the garden of Eden...
* and the question in the first book of the Bible was answered in the last one:
"And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him."
Revelation 12:9
Originally posted by Okieshowedem
99.99% truth with .001% lie is still a lie!
This is what the Christian religion has a little truth and lots of lies.
Like Christmas & Easter sunday worship and mother Mary.
Lies, is what this Satan inspired religion is based on.Read about and of the Christian holidays on line.
Find out where this lies came from.
Remember NO LIE IS OF THE TRUTH!Okieshowedem
And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Originally posted by peejayd
* take the best example... Catholics have Christmas, Easter and Mary-worship, while the Christianity in the Bible does not... do the math, and please do it correctly...
Catholics DO NOT worship Mary. The very fact you believe that shows you cannot speak on Catholic dogma since you neglect to actually learn it.
Christmas is a representation of Christ's birth and Easter is his death (Which are both in the Bible the last time I checked).
Originally posted by peejayd
"Now [b]the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
Genesis 3:1* the serpent in Genesis was never named in the Old Testament...
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity that is toward Christ."
II Corinthians 11:3* it was confirmed that the serpent is the one that beguiled/deceived Eve in the garden of Eden...
* and the question in the first book of the Bible was answered in the last one:
"And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him."
Revelation 12:9 [/B]
errrr, im confused, how does the word "satan" enter into the direct translation of a gospel when infact the word was adapted for lucifer's name after the advent of islam and it describing the devil as the shaitan, and the church adapting it as it considered the muslim view disgusting and hence the name fitting for the perceived enemy of the world{the lightbringer}.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Catholics DO NOT worship Mary. The very fact you believe that shows you cannot speak on Catholic dogma since you neglect to actually learn it.Christmas is a representation of Christ's birth and Easter is his death (Which are both in the Bible the last time I checked).
Originally posted by leonheartmm
errrr, im confused, how does the word "satan" enter into the direct translation of a gospel when infact the word was adapted for lucifer's name after the advent of islam and it describing the devil as the shaitan, and the church adapting it as it considered the muslim view disgusting and hence the name fitting for the perceived enemy of the world{the lightbringer}.
^please do not bring grudges based in COMIC books here, or i will have to report you, and im not the type of person to go around reporting others.
you have given me the aramaic/hebrew translation of the word. and i was talking about GOSPELS i.e. the new testament. thankyou for spectacularly misunderstanding. the catholic CHURCH's taking up of the name was{as i read sumwhere before} due to the uncleaniness associated with muslims at the time. i was merely asking QUESTION as to whether i was right or not. as u well know, much of satan's mythology is taken INDIRECTLY from the testaments, which have little actual mention of the being as well as his name for which SATAN isnt directly used often, if ever at all.