WM Thor vs Silver Sufer

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
And Thor is WM in this thread. 🙂

and he still showed us that he can beat Thor using speed/power. Thor couldn't hit him.

Thor was never visibly hurt. When he got up and destroyed Surfer's barrier around Mjolnir, he was visibly fine. And that barrier Surfer said Thor couldn't break it, which he did.

The most I'll say is it wasn't a win for Thor (because he was holding back) But to say it was a win for Surfer is hilarious because it wasn't Surfer under his own power.

That would be like Saying when Doom killed the Fantastic Four with Surfer's power that it was a win for DOOM ONLY.. wait, no it wouldn't even be like that because Doom utterly destroyed his opponent, where Surfer didn't even make Thor bleed.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
You could. Surfer has gotten multiple upgrades since that fight (3), and he was depowered by the sonic shark previously. Either way though, Thor did not win.

The Surfer was amplified in that fight?

Wouldn't you agree that Thor has gotten stronger over the years though? He looked pretty strong in disassembled.

Originally posted by llagrok
Prove it.

Um galctus actually considered them as threats. The big G would probably one shot odin

Id say thor has a better chance as normal thor( evn though hed still lose) when he will at least try to fight smartly than if he is in warrior madness.All he seems to do in warrior madness is swing his hammer and use lightning. If surfer is not fighting like a fool , lightning and hammer throws wont get the job done against him. Current surfer( and evn classic surfer) has shown to be WAY more adept at enrgy manip, matter manip and so on than thor. He is also considerably faster and of recent has shown to be way more durable. He wins if he fights well

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Id say thor has a better chance as normal thor( evn though hed still lose) when he will at least try to fight smartly than if he is in warrior madness.All he seems to do in warrior madness is swing his hammer and use lightning. If surfer is not fighting like a fool , lightning and hammer throws wont get the job done against him. Current surfer( and evn classic surfer) has shown to be WAY more adept at enrgy manip, matter manip and so on than thor. He is also considerably faster and of recent has shown to be way more durable. He wins if he fights well

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Um, the thing is WM Thor owned Surfer in a Real fight.

Yes i have that fight and dont deny it but the thing is i do not think SS was fighting to the best of his ability or evn close to it. Not to mention that was b4 annihalation where it seems he got a significant powerup.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Yes i have that fight and dont deny it but the thing is i do not think SS was fighting to the best of his ability or evn close to it. Not to mention that was b4 annihalation where it seems he got a significant powerup.

As for Surfer's power up? Yes, he *technically* received a power up because Galactus removed his remorse. Yet as far as I know, his only power up feat is Surviving on the fringe of the "Crunch". Don't get me wrong, that is still very impressive. Yet it's not enough to say that he has been significantly upgraded. We'll need to see more of Surfer actually using his powers and defeating people before we can say he's been power-ed up.

In my opinion, Classic Thor and Current Surfer are around even. And in my opinion, Surfer needs a legitimate win over Thor (without being amped by someone else's power) before I can in good conscious give him a win.

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Um galctus actually considered them as threats. The big G would probably one shot odin

I asked for PROOF, not speculation.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Which is why he wins the easy majority.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
where did it say it lasted until then? And even if it did, He still admitted that Mjolnir alone > his power cosmic.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Prove this statement.

Etc.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
If you are settling to saying that Surfer "beat" Thor in that fight, you are stooping to pretty embarrasing lows. Surfer was AMPED with Loki's power! The fact he didn't just obliterate Thor is laughable and sad. Which is why I say he jobbed. In my opinion, he would have wiped the floor with Thor from the beginning if he wasn't jobbing.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
They have fought 3 times in comics, and Thor has won every time. Surfer even admitted that with Loki's power combined with his own, he still couldn't beat Thor. And that was normal Thor.

You brought it up... I didn't.

You said Thor won. Thor didn't win. The details don't matter at all of that battle if you want to get technical. All that matters is that Surfer won, which you previously said he didn't.

You also made it seem like Thor was so above Surfer that even with an amp, he goes down to Thor.

Plus, how is it even relevant when you think Surfer was jobbing? You just contradicted your own proof.

Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Thor was never visibly hurt. When he got up and destroyed Surfer's barrier around Mjolnir, he was visibly fine. And that barrier Surfer said Thor couldn't break it, which he did.

The most I'll say is it wasn't a win for Thor (because he was holding back) But to say it was a win for Surfer is hilarious because it wasn't Surfer under his own power.

That would be like Saying when Doom killed the Fantastic Four with Surfer's power that it was a win for DOOM ONLY.. wait, no it wouldn't even be like that because Doom utterly destroyed his opponent, where Surfer didn't even make Thor bleed.

You took it into consideration when you said Thor won. And he didn't.

OK, sure. Either way, does 3 powerups and getting his power back account for Loki's amp? Make up your own mind.

Also, how many battles do you see when Surfer makes someone bleed?
And how many battles do you see when Thor is sprawled out crawling to his hammer?

Branlicious.

Originally posted by llagrok
The Surfer was amplified in that fight?

Wouldn't you agree that Thor has gotten stronger over the years though? He looked pretty strong in disassembled.

Has he?

You're talking specifically about when he took out Durok, aren't you?
And either way, he made it seem like he's always been able to do that... it's just that he relies on his hammer too much. It's just that he got more showtime with his real powers. It highlighted his skills, and showed what his Godly essence can do without Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
I realize that. Everyone realizes that.
What I'm saying, is things that people don't even take into consideration.

Has he?

You're talking specifically about when he took out Durok, aren't you?
And either way, he made it seem like he's always been able to do that... it's just that he relies on his hammer too much.

Yeah, and his fight with Loki/Fenris.

But killing Durok and clearing most of the battlefield with a single attack is pretty impressive though, especially when he's not using his hammer. But you're right, I can't really call it a power-up.

Hmm I still believe a well written SS could beast Thor, hell he should be able to beast Thanos.

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Hmm I still believe a well written SS could beast Thor, hell he should be able to beast Thanos.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
OK. Either way, he doesn't have the Odin Power here.

Because he was still depowered in comics after the Thor fight I believe.

All of Surfer's best feats come from after his volume one.
When he traveled 500 thousand light years in seemingly seconds. When he searched the entire Earth in seemingly less time than it took for a sentence.
When he was blitzing other heralds.

Etc.

The problem with this is that you lied in your first post.

You brought it up... I didn't.

You said Thor won. Thor didn't win. The details don't matter at all of that battle if you want to get technical. All that matters is that Surfer won, which you previously said he didn't.

You also made it seem like Thor was so above Surfer that even with an amp, he goes down to Thor.

Plus, how is it even relevant when you think Surfer was jobbing? You just contradicted your own proof.

He got up after Surfer let up his attack. Obviously he was hurt, or else he wouldn't have dropped. If Surfer wouldn't have let up his attack, he would have been out.

You took it into consideration when you said Thor won. And he didn't.

OK, sure. Either way, does 3 powerups and getting his power back account for Loki's amp? Make up your own mind.

Also, how many battles do you see when Surfer makes someone bleed?
And how many battles do you see when Thor is sprawled out crawling to his hammer?

Originally posted by The Great Galen
Hmm I still believe a well written SS could beast Thor, hell he should be able to beast Thanos.

Originally posted by Nihilist
lulz at galan trying to bait thanos fans.

lulz at you bringing back your old Hunger sig 😄

Originally posted by llagrok
lulz at you bringing back your old Hunger sig 😄

So, if you didn't lie, you completely ignored the context of their fight. Which is plenty bad in itself. And the mere fact that you think Thor won... is bad enough (not to mention wrong). Even following this logic, how is it relevant when it was Thor laying on the ground at the end? Whether Thor was holding back, and even if it took Surfer tons of time to take down Thor, it still means he won.
It doesn't matter how bad Surfer looked. It doesn't matter if he admitted Mjolnir was more powerful (and please, if this means anything, then about a good majority of Thor's fights don't count). It doesn't matter if he was amped by Loki. Hell, it doesn't even matter if Thor wasn't fighting back.
What matters is that Surfer was victorious at the end.

You said Thor had won every time. You even brought up the fight to try and prove a point.
At this point in time, everything else but the outcome is completely irrelevant. And the outcome is simple. Thor did not win.

But, fact is:

Thor was fighting back.

Thor said he couldn't slay Surfer, and then crossed that out in the same panel.

Surfer said he was holding back. Surfer said he didn't use his strength against him. How is Thor going to use his strength against Surfer, when he can't even hit him with faster attacks?

Surfer had Thor pissed off in one page.

Surfer had no problems with Thor when he turned his attention to Thor. He basically took him out in one page.

It took Thor over a page to get up after Surfer's assault.

Yes Surfer was amped by Loki. Yes Thor broke through two shields. However, it wasn't the shields doing the damage.

Originally posted by Mr. Slippyfist
So, if you didn't lie, you completely ignored the context of their fight. Which is plenty bad in itself. And the mere fact that you think Thor won... is bad enough (not to mention wrong). Even following this logic, how is it relevant when it was Thor laying on the ground at the end? Whether Thor was holding back, and even if it took Surfer tons of time to take down Thor, it still means he won.
It doesn't matter how bad Surfer looked. It doesn't matter if he admitted Mjolnir was more powerful (and please, if this means anything, then about a good majority of Thor's fights don't count). It doesn't matter if he was amped by Loki. Hell, it doesn't even matter [b]if Thor wasn't fighting back.
What matters is that Surfer was victorious at the end.

You said Thor had won every time. You even brought up the fight to try and prove a point.
At this point in time, everything else but the outcome is completely irrelevant. And the outcome is simple. Thor did not win.

But, fact is:

Thor was fighting back.

Thor said he couldn't slay Surfer, and then crossed that out in the same panel.

Surfer said he was holding back. Surfer said he didn't use his strength against him. How is Thor going to use his strength against Surfer, when he can't even hit him with faster attacks?

Surfer had Thor pissed off in one page.

Surfer had no problems with Thor when he turned his attention to Thor. He basically took him out in one page.

It took Thor over a page to get up after Surfer's assault.

Yes Surfer was amped by Loki. Yes Thor broke through two shields. However, it wasn't the shields doing the damage.

The whole battle: [/B]