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Yeah, according to the RotS script, by the time Dooku disposed of Kenobi he was tired. By the time he takes out Kenobi here he will be tired while Maul, being young and having loads of stamina, will still be going strong. I could Maul possibly taking down fatigued Dooku if he stays on him tight with his lightsaber, and doesn't give him an opportunity to use the Force.
Originally posted by skywalker833
Agreed. Kenobi alone is match for dooku. Adding Maul is tipping the scales.
Pardon? How the hell could anyone conclude that Kenobi alone is a match for Dooku? Have you seen Revenge of the Sith? Count Dooku disables Kenobi handily with the Force whilst having to deal with the prodigious strength of Anakin Skywalker; I will grant you that Obi-Wan's mastery of Soresu would give the Count fits in a pure lightsaber match, but in an all out fight, Kenobi doesn't really compare.
We can assume that neither Maul nor Kenobi compare to Dooku on a scale measuring Force strength. But Kenobi's defense is peerless and Maul is a veritable beast; he physically outclasses the Count and is a much more capable martial artist. He is also a high end master of multiple forms. But likewise, Maul and Kenobi aren't going to be an efficient team and the Count possesses the advantage in terms of Force capability. If he can bring the Force to bear, I could see him winning this. Otherwise, he will be overwhelmed.
Count Dooku would take this. Dooku certainly did not look tired after he pwned ROTS Kenobi after about 45 seconds, and with Anakin on him. Maul is no where near the power of ROTS Anakin. If Dooku could take kenobi like that, he could certainly take out Maul. There is no question Dooku would take them both out.
Originally posted by kiddo44
Count Dooku would take this. Dooku certainly did not look tired after he pwned ROTS Kenobi after about 45 seconds, and with Anakin on him. Maul is no where near the power of ROTS Anakin. If Dooku could take kenobi like that, he could certainly take out Maul. There is no question Dooku would take them both out.
While we all certainly appreciate your continued zealotry in defense of the noble Count, it is quite hard to compare Darth Maul with Kenobi or Skywalker; while Maul certainly lacks the raw Force connection and strength that Skywalker possessed, he was a much higher trained combatant -- being a master of Juyo requires Maul to have been a "high end master of multiple lightsaber forms" and his mastery and affinity for various martial arts and physical disciplines suggests that he might manhandle Skywalker or Kenobi in a brawl -- though that isn't to say that Maul would defeat Skywalker in a duel. As far as the Count's fatigue, your refutation comes from the Count's expression? Alas, the novelization and the script confirm that, as the duel progressed, both Dooku and Kenobi were tiring out fast (in contrast to Skywalker merely increasing in ferociousness); Dooku was forced to replenish his vitality with the Force once he managed to disable Kenobi. The entire exercise was intended to be a demonstration of Dooku's superiority over the Jedi duo, but he had to rely on the Force once it was clear that he could not overcome their combined efforts in a strict sword fight. While I have already acknowledged that the Count's Force mastery gives him an advantage, it's as plain as day that Kenobi's defense is simply too strong for Dooku to break through while having to simultaneously deal with a duelist of Maul's calibre. Dooku can win, but he will only be able to do so because of the Force.
An eighty-three year-old man having to use the Force as a crutch while fighting two skilled warriors about a third and quarter his age each shouldn't be much of a surprise, and certainly shouldn't be a detracting factor.
Neither Maul nor Kenobi would be able to put up much of a fight in a Force contest, so he probably pull of the RotS thing again and pwn one or the other without too much trouble. In a duel, either would give him an incredibly hard time, but ultimately neither has any real chance of winning. So depending on he would go about it, Dooku wins with a varying degree of difficulty.
Originally posted by Faunus
An eighty-three year-old man having to use the Force as a crutch while fighting two skilled warriors about a third and quarter his age each shouldn't be much of a surprise, and certainly shouldn't be a detracting factor.
No one said that it was a detraction or a deciding factor, but Dooku can't compete with someone like Maul and Anakin in terms of stamina.
I'll break this into sections; nice thread, btw.
Sabers Only- The duo take this, hands-down. Maul was a very formidable lightsaber duelist on his own right, and Obi-Wan had proven himself to be very much capable of handling Dooku individually in a saber fight only (though Dooku will eventually beat him). Due to this matter, and Obi-Wan's knack for tactical thinking and cunning moves, the team should defeat Dooku with some degree of effort.
Force Battle- Dooku owns them in this category. Dooku has displayed some pretty impressive force powers (arguably comparable to someone like Mace's) and very refined mastery. He is called numerous times to be an extremely potent force user. However, Obi-Wan's most impressive force feat is arguably hurling a heavy cyborg a long distance away. It won't work on Dooku. Maul's skill in the force is next to nothing.
All-Out: It really does depend; if Dooku can take out Obi-Wan with the force before engaging Maul, he wins. If not, the team can take him out in saber combat.