Liu Kang versus Ryu

"Now drop a TRAIN on him, Liu!"

"Or an MK machine, that works too."

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hard to say... Based off of ABC logic, then Liu wins in spades... but Featwise... I'm not too sure, Liu is the faster of the two, while Ryu is stronger...

Faster? He has the speed of a normal human. Even t3h UBER GODZ like Raiden in MK fight at human speed.

MK is overrated and wanked as hell.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Based on feats, the people Liu Kang has beaten are not as impressive as Ryu or the people he has fought either.

Faster? He has the speed of a normal human. Even t3h UBER GODZ like Raiden in MK fight at human speed.

MK is overrated and wanked as hell.

Nah, I think you just underrate it while at the same time, overrating SF. I mean saying that none of Liu Kang's opponents are impressive? And saying stuff like a Hadouken can vaporise somebody or Bison can tank nukes or even going so far as to say SF>>>MK when some characters in MK got abilities and did things nobody in SF has?

SF is overrated and wanked as hell.

Originally posted by SmashBro
Nah, I think you just underrate it while at the same time, overrating SF. I mean saying that none of Liu Kang's opponents are impressive? And saying stuff like a Hadouken can vaporise somebody or Bison can tank nukes or even going so far as to say SF>>>MK when some characters in MK got abilities and did things nobody in SF has?

SF is overrated and wanked as hell.

Humor me, when did I say a Hadouken can vaporise somebody?

Bison tanked a nuke. I showed you the vid.

And no character in MK has destroyed an island in the form of a punch, split a mountain with one, or kicked a ship in half while destroying a submarine from the shockwave.

And no character in MK short of a select few like Sub Zero and Scorpion have super speed. Most are slow.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
None of Liu Kang's opponents are impressive compared to Ryu's, like Gouki.

Humor me, when did I say a Hadouken can vaporise somebody?

Bison tanked a nuke. I showed you the vid.

And no character in MK has destroyed an island in the form of a punch, split a mountain with one, or kicked a ship in half while destroying a submarine from the shockwave.

And no character in MK short of a select few like Sub Zero and Scorpion have super speed. Most are slow.

1. And yet Ryu himself didn't beat Akuma.

2. You didn't say it (although other people have) but you did make it seem like a Hadouken can blow somebody up.

3. You showed me an ending that is contradicted by other endings and actual evidence.

4. And again, those were special techniques he used, not some casual attack. See? Overrating.

5. And I suppose every SF character has superspeed? Because from what I've seen the SFIV video, they don't seem to be moving that fast at all.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. And yet Ryu himself didn't beat Akuma.

2. You didn't say it (although other people have) but you did make it seem like a Hadouken can blow somebody up.

3. You showed me an ending that is contradicted by other endings and actual evidence.

4. And again, those were special techniques he used, not some casual attack. See? Overrating.

5. And I suppose every SF character has superspeed? Because from what I've seen the SFIV video, they don't seem to be moving that fast at all.

2. Can it blow some people up? Possibly. Not everyone though.

3. No it isn't. In the other endings he self destructed. In that one he nuked.

4. And no MK characters have done anything like that, period.

5. Yeah, they really are, Gouki was like 50 feet on the air, and then changed his direction in midair and kicked the crap out of Ryu, and did it very quickly.

What does Liu Kang have Ryu beat in? Humor me.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. No. He stalemated him. Then Gouki destroyed the island.

2. Can it blow some people up? Possibly. Not everyone though.

3. No it isn't. In the other endings he self destructed. In that one he nuked.

4. And no MK characters have done anything like that, period.

5. Yeah, they really are, Gouki was like 50 feet on the air, and then changed his direction in midair and kicked the crap out of Ryu, and did it very quickly.

What does Liu Kang have Ryu beat in? Humor me.

1. He didn't stalemate him.

2. It has never blown anybody so I don't know why you keep saying that.

3. In other endings, he was destroyed, not self-destructed.

4. And no SF character has ever ripped someone in half, period.

5. Yet it took him ages to reach Ryu, who had enough to charge up his Hadouken. Also, the said height was never stated.

6. Liu Kang has him skills, fire power, and has more impressive victories.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. He didn't stalemate him.

2. It has never blown anybody so I don't know why you keep saying that.

3. In other endings, he was destroyed, not self-destructed.

4. And no SF character has ever ripped someone in half, period.

5. Yet it took him ages to reach Ryu, who had enough to charge up his Hadouken. Also, the said height was never stated.

6. Liu Kang has him skills, fire power, and has more impressive victories.

2. Well let's use some common sense and logic here. Weak Hadoukens from Gouki exploded and caused small craters in the ground.

Going by that, a normal human would be killed and blown up in one hit from those Hadoukens.

3. He fought people, then his power overflowed and he self destructed. It is contradicted by NOTHING.

4. Dude it's gotten to the point where you are just being a fvckin idiotic fanboy. Ryu can support over 20 tons for friggin hours. That takes MUCH more strength than ripping someone in half does.

And ripping someone in half doesn't even begin to rival kicking a friggin ship in half, splitting a mountain in half, and destroying an island.

5. Dramatic slow mo ftw. The height was never stated. Well no shit it was an estimate and STILL showed more speed than any MK character.

6. Liu Kang does not have better skill. Ryu is older, and received training from much more skilled and powerful teachers. Fire power? Ryu does not fight lethally, but Ryu can also KO Kang in one blow...More impressive victories? This gonna turn into a who-beat-who debate? A>B>C logic ftl.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Neither person won the fight, WTF do you call that? It was a Goddamn stalemate. Jesus friggin Christ man...

2. Well let's use some common sense and logic here. Weak Hadoukens from Gouki exploded and caused small craters in the ground.

Going by that, a normal human would be killed and blown up in one hit from those Hadoukens.

3. He fought people, then his power overflowed and he self destructed. It is contradicted by NOTHING.

4. Dude it's gotten to the point where you are just being a fvckin idiotic fanboy. Ryu can support over 20 tons for friggin hours. That takes MUCH more strength than ripping someone in half does.

And ripping someone in half doesn't even begin to rival kicking a friggin ship in half, splitting a mountain in half, and destroying an island.

5. Dramatic slow mo ftw. The height was never stated. Well no shit it was an estimate and STILL showed more speed than any MK character.

6. Liu Kang does not have better skill. Ryu is older, and received training from much more skilled and powerful teachers. Fire power? Ryu does not fight lethally, but Ryu can also KO Kang in one blow...More impressive victories? This gonna turn into a who-beat-who debate? A>B>C logic ftl.

1. And what makes you think Gouki was going all out? Also, stop saying that.

2. What the heck...? There weren't any craters.

3. Yes it is. He didn't self-destruct and even in the storyline, he couldn't take the explosion. Plus, he shot multiple hadoukens. We don't know how much damage ONE will do.

4. Enough with that fanboy crap. At least I'm not overrating somebody like you do.

Also, stop trying to make it look like ripping someones body in half is nothing. That takes a heck of alot of strength to do that. Saying lifting a boulder instantly>ripping a body in half is ridiculous.

5. So in otherwords, it's just a number you made up.

6. What does Ryu being older got to do with it? Liu Kang's opponents are older than Ryu, so? And Liu Kang's trainer also has thousands of years of experience. And lol at Ryu beating Liu Kang in one blow. Very bias. And yes, more impressive victories. I hadn't seen Ryu win a victory that was impressive.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. And what makes you think Gouki was going all out? Also, stop saying that.

2. What the heck...? There weren't any craters.

3. Yes it is. He didn't self-destruct and even in the storyline, he couldn't take the explosion. Plus, he shot multiple hadoukens. We don't know how much damage ONE will do.

4. Enough with that fanboy crap. At least I'm not overrating somebody like you do.

Also, stop trying to make it look like ripping someones body in half is nothing. That takes a heck of alot of strength to do that. Saying lifting a boulder instantly>ripping a body in half is ridiculous.

5. So in otherwords, it's just a number you made up.

6. What does Ryu being older got to do with it? Liu Kang's opponents are older than Ryu, so? And Liu Kang's trainer also has thousands of years of experience. And lol at Ryu beating Liu Kang in one blow. Very bias. And yes, more impressive victories. I hadn't seen Ryu win a victory that was impressive.

2. They were small craters, sure, but craters nontheless.

3. He DID self destruct though. And he DID take the explosion. He shot multiple Hadoukens in one burst, each one made a small crater and erupted upwards from the ground.

4. Oh you're not? You're trying to say MK>SF, because they can fvcking rip people in half. BIG FRIGGIN WHOOPTY DOO.

Compared to supporting over 20 tons for hours, it IS nothing. Someone who can lift friggin 5 tons over there head could EASILY rip someone in half. Jesus Christ man.

5. Nope, it's a number I used judging by the distance, it was 40-60 feet.

6. Gee, I don't know, maybe more time to TRAIN!? Liu Kang's trainder also has like...No feats. Lol. Definately none to put him on Oro's level, who DID fight Gouki to a stalemate. Oro is also strong enough to support 10 tons for hours while sitting down with his legs crossed, and supports the boulder with only the tips of his fingers. Liu Kang has not ONE durability feat to suggest he can take punches from someone who supports 20 tons for hours. Ryu has fought back M. Bison, and stalemated Gouki. But A>B>C logic is bullshit anyways.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. He was not per say, as he wasn't Shin. But even normal Gouki has island busting power. I'll say whatever the fvck I want.

2. They were small craters, sure, but craters nontheless.

3. He DID self destruct though. And he DID take the explosion. He shot multiple Hadoukens in one burst, each one made a small crater and erupted upwards from the ground.

4. Oh you're not? You're trying to say MK>SF, because they can fvcking rip people in half. BIG FRIGGIN WHOOPTY DOO.

Compared to supporting over 20 tons for hours, it IS nothing. Someone who can lift friggin 5 tons over there head could EASILY rip someone in half. Jesus Christ man.

5. Nope, it's a number I used judging by the distance, it was 40-60 feet.

6. Gee, I don't know, maybe more time to TRAIN!? Liu Kang's trainder also has like...No feats. Lol. Definately none to put him on Oro's level, who DID fight Gouki to a stalemate. Oro is also strong enough to support 10 tons for hours while sitting down with his legs crossed, and supports the boulder with only the tips of his fingers. Liu Kang has not ONE durability feat to suggest he can take punches from someone who supports 20 tons for hours. Ryu has fought back M. Bison, and stalemated Gouki. But A>B>C logic is bullshit anyways.

1. So what if normal Akuma is island busting? And I'll tell you again; stop saying that.

2. There were no craters, dude.

3. He did NOT take the explosion. How else do you think he lost his body?

4. Except I never said MK>SF. Don't go there.

Where the heck did you come up with 5 tons=ripping a body in half?

5. Which is random number so yeah, you made that up.

6. And here I thought you were saying "more skilled teachers" to be impressive. Ryu wasn't lifting it for "hours". Where did you pull that out of? Plus, lifting and punching are two different things. If Ryu hadn't shown how strong his punches are, then how can you say "one punch" will beat Liu Kang? You're still making stuff up.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. So what if normal Akuma is island busting? And I'll tell you again; stop saying that.

2. There were no craters, dude.

3. He did NOT take the explosion. How else do you think he lost his body?

4. Except I never said MK>SF. Don't go there.

Where the heck did you come up with 5 tons=ripping a body in half?

5. Which is random number so yeah, you made that up.

6. And here I thought you said "more skilled teachers" to be impressive. Ryu wasn't lifting it for "hours". Where did you pull that out of? Plus, lifting and punching are two different things. If Ryu hadn't shown how strong his punches are, then how can you say "one punch" will beat Liu Kang? You're still making stuff up.

2. Yes there were.

3. Dude, he did take the nuke, and was finished off by 50. Calibur Jet fire.

4. You implied it.

Oh, actually, it is more impressive. A class 2(2 tons) character could easily rip a body in half. It is not as good a feat as you like to make it sound.

5. Nope, it's called an estimate.

6. Oro is more skilled than Kang's teacher. 😐 Part of Ryu's training was to support those boulders until he dropped. Though humor me, when has Liu Kang even taken punches froma dude who can lift 20 tons? Oh, and physical strength(lifting) contributes to punching power.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Ryu stalemated him. Fvck you.

2. Yes there were.

3. Dude, he did take the nuke, and was finished off by 50. Calibur Jet fire.

4. You implied it.

Oh, actually, it is more impressive. A class 2(2 tons) character could easily rip a body in half. It is not as good a feat as you like to make it sound.

5. Nope, it's called an estimate.

6. Oro is more skilled than Kang's teacher. 😐 Part of Ryu's training was to support those boulders until he dropped. Though humor me, when has Liu Kang even taken punches froma dude who can lift 20 tons? Oh, and physical strength(lifting) contributes to punching power.

1. Akuma was holding back. Stop saying that.

2. No there weren't.

3. Which is contradicted by other endings AND by the storyline.

4. Nope. You assumed it.

5. Nope, it's called speculation.

6. Bull crap. Bo' Rai Cho's more skilled than Oro. And I don't recall anyone from MK lifting that much so I'm not sure who. But humor me; who has Ryu fought since lifting that boulder?

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. Akuma was holding back. Stop saying that.

2. No there weren't.

3. Which is contradicted by other endings AND by the storyline.

4. Nope. You assumed it.

5. Nope, it's called speculation.

6. Bull crap. Bo' Rai Cho's more skilled than Oro. And I don't recall anyone from MK lifting that much so I'm not sure who. But humor me; who has Ryu fought since lifting that boulder?

2. Yes there were. 🙂

3. Contradicted by other endings? Nope, in the other ones he self destructs. Storyline? Granted, it is noncanon, but noncanon endings in fighting games show canon character abilities.

4. Never assumed anything. Though glad we finally settled that nonsense of how ripping people in half is more impressive than lifting over 20 tons.

5. No, it is called on estimate based on what I saw, I could assume it is friggin 1,000 feet in the air, but I doubt it was so I have to make an estimation based on what I saw.

6. Even though Oro has the better feats? No one from MK has shown to be that strong. That was Ryu at the beginning of his training, and your question is irrelevant, my point is that Ryu is physically much stronger than Kang, which he is.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. ...Dude you're like a friggin Mary-Go-Round. Yes, Gouki was not Shin, BUT, even in his base form he was stronger than anyone Kang has faced.

2. Yes there were. 🙂

3. Contradicted by other endings? Nope, in the other ones he self destructs. Storyline? Granted, it is noncanon, but noncanon endings in fighting games show canon character abilities.

4. Never assumed anything. Though glad we finally settled that nonsense of how ripping people in half is more impressive than lifting over 20 tons.

5. No, it is called on estimate based on what I saw, I could assume it is friggin 1,000 feet in the air, but I doubt it was so I have to make an estimation based on what I saw.

6. Even though Oro has the better feats? No one from MK has shown to be that strong. That was Ryu at the beginning of his training, and your question is irrelevant, my point is that Ryu is physically much stronger than Kang, which he is.

1. And if Ryu didn't beat him, then it's pointless.

2. No there weren't.

3. The ending is contradicted. I wish you stop denying it. Look at Sodom's ending. Cody's ending. Guile's ending (which happened). THEY CONTRADICT THAT ENDING.

4. You assumed that I was implying that MK>SF, when I didn't.

Actually, I'm glad we finally settled that nonsense of lifting 20 tons is more impressive than ripping someone's body in half.

5. There's no way you can tell how far he was from the video. The height was never stated and all you're doing is guessing.

6. At the same time, you're trying to make it seem like Ryu can beat him with one punch, despite the fact that he's never done anything AFTER that training. Ryu just being physically stronger doesn't mean anything as Liu Kang has beaten people physically stronger than himself. And even if Oro has better feats, that doesn't change the fact that Bo Rai Cho has more skills.

Ryu. Liu Kang is kinda out of shape.

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. And if Ryu didn't beat him, then it's pointless.

2. No there weren't.

3. The ending is contradicted. I wish you stop denying it. Look at Sodom's ending. Cody's ending. Guile's ending (which happened). THEY CONTRADICT THAT ENDING.

4. You assumed that I was implying that MK>SF, when I didn't.

Actually, I'm glad we finally settled that nonsense of lifting 20 tons is more impressive than ripping someone's body in half.

5. There's no way you can tell how far he was from the video. The height was never stated and all you're doing is guessing.

6. At the same time, you're trying to make it seem like Ryu can beat him with one punch, despite the fact that he's never done anything AFTER that training. Ryu just being physically stronger doesn't mean anything as Liu Kang has beaten people physically stronger than himself. And even if Oro has better feats, that doesn't change the fact that Bo Rai Cho has more skills.

2. Yes there were. 🙂

3. Nope, he self destructed in those endings due to power overflow. 🙂

4. You did imply it. 🙂

It is more impressive than ripping a body in half. 🙂

5. It was an estimate, and yeah I can. 🙂

6. Liu Kang has never taken punches from anyone that strong. Liu Kang has never beaten someone as physically strong as Ryu. So we assume Bo Rai Cho is more skilled based on what? Nothing?

Liu Kang was knocked on his ass by Quan Chi's green skull hadouken blast, just imagine what Ryu's hadouken would do to Kang

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
1. Liu Kang has never even fought anyone as powerful as Gouki, let alone stalemated. 🙂

2. Yes there were. 🙂

3. Nope, he self destructed in those endings due to power overflow. 🙂

4. You did imply it. 🙂

It is more impressive than ripping a body in half. 🙂

5. It was an estimate, and yeah I can. 🙂

6. Liu Kang has never taken punches from anyone that strong. Liu Kang has never beaten someone as physically strong as Ryu. So we assume Bo Rai Cho is more skilled based on what? Nothing?

1. Goro is stronger than both of them.

2. No there weren't.

3. Nope. He didn't self-destruct. Look at the endings again.

4. No I didn't.

5. It was speculation.

6. Based on the fact that he's been training fighters for centuries and knows many different styles. And Ryu has never done anything after his training with Ryu so what you say is pure speculation. Ryu has never been shown to rip someone's body in half or blow some up with a hadouken.

Originally posted by Icy Ninja
Liu Kang was knocked on his ass by Quan Chi's green skull hadouken blast, just imagine what Ryu's hadouken would do to Kang

It won't do anything, since all Liu Kang's got to do is dodge it.

Originally posted by Perker Marwan
Ryu. Liu Kang is kinda out of shape.

That makes no sense. How is he out of shape?

Originally posted by SmashBro
1. Goro is stronger than both of them.

2. No there weren't.

3. Nope. He didn't self-destruct. Look at the endings again.

4. No I didn't.

5. It was speculation.

6. Based on the fact that he's been training fighters for centuries and knows many different styles. And Ryu has never done anything after his training with Ryu so what you say is pure speculation. Ryu has never been shown to rip someone's body in half or blow some up with a hadouken.

It won't do anything, since all Liu Kang's got to do is dodge it.

That makes no sense. How is he out of shape?

Check Mortal Kombat 3. Liu Kang looks pregnant. I am not sure he still got the speed to keep up with Ryu.