Originally posted by Da Pittman
I’m not sure what you are saying; I’m referring to things that are not known by anyone (at least here on Earth). No one knows how the universe was created, how life was created and so on, this are things that are not known but many faiths say that they do know which is what I’m referring too.
Let's pretend for a minute that god or an all-knowing designer does exist. Now why would he/she/it not reveal the answers to anyone?
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Let's pretend for a minute that god or an all-knowing designer does exist. Now why would he/she/it not reveal the answers to anyone?
Yet He gave us a subjective prism to view it through, making absolute knowledge impossible.
I don't deny that objective reality and truth might exist. It probably does. Not objective mroality and such, but objective in a material sense. Where the contention is that we can't know it through our subjective observations and interpretations.
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I used to be like that. "Where is God? Why cant I see him? SHOW me God."Then I got faith, and my outlook on life has never been the same.
Right, because faith doesn't require reason. It sustains itself. Faith begets more faith. And the less evidence (or even cotnrary evidence) the better, because the amount of faith needed is larger and thus promotes its own existence by its veracity.
Faith is quite the meme. I'd consider it a negative one, but meh.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
As in the stories of Moses and Mohammed. Why would he not have a select few, who he disclosed revelation with.
For a multitute of reasons, some I can imagine, some beyond my wildest dreams (I'd assume).
Seriously, even if God would think exactly like humans do, I wouldn't assume that he would without a doubt reveal himself. Now, hypothetically, being a super-uber being with mental capacities beyond everything, I wouldn't even begin to claim that I knew what such an entity would do.
But, on a different note, we can conclude that either humans are prone to making shit up about God (whether one is correct or not) or God (Gods) have an incredibly odd sense of humour in choosing to reveal themselves in the most different and oftentimes contradicting manners to different people at different times.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Let's pretend for a minute that god or an all-knowing designer does exist. Now why would he/she/it not reveal the answers to anyone?
how about why wouldn't he reveal it to everyone?
The answer is always that God works in mysterious ways. But, why does god work in mysterious ways for the 99.9% of the very people from whom he expects so much? How sadistic could a god be that operates like that? And I don't think god is sadistic, just that the people professing insight are insane!
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why do you thinks its unknowable?
What is the "it" you are talking about? All I am saying is that there is parts of the universe/nature/God (you provide the name) that cannot be understood. That means there is something that we cannot understand. Maybe one day we will evolve into a being that can understand, but we are not there now.
I always find this a useful analogy for "understanding" the unknowable aspect of God.
In a lucid dream, you can reveal yourself as the creator (of the dream) to others in the dream. However, as the creator who exists even when there is no dream (like when you're awake), how could a dream-person know you in that regard, ie, when there is no dream?
I hope that made sense.
Originally posted by Symmetric ChaosWouldn't that make it a known? Y'know: 2 negatives = a positive. 😖hifty:
That was an unknown unknown!