Originally posted by Devil King
If you're referring to gay marriage, California is glad you don't live in it too.
I was referring to gay marriage. While I dont have a problem with gay people (have a few friends myself and they are pretty cool), I draw the line at marriage. As for gangs, im hispanic, gangs are a common thing were im from(NY, CT). As for California, its not a place I would like to live in. Not for the gays or the gangs or even Ahnold, its just not appealing to me.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I was referring to gay marriage. While I dont have a problem with gay people (have a few friends myself and they are pretty cool), I draw the line at marriage. As for gangs, im hispanic, gangs are a common thing were im from(NY, CT). As for California, its not a place I would like to live in. Not for the gays or the gangs or even Ahnold, its just not appealing to me.
If you draw any lines for another person based on them being gay, not only do you have a problem with homosexuality, but you have a problem with these so-called "friends".
It's not your place to draw any "lines" for another human being. The notion that it's your business is propoganda furthered by the national media and politicians.
Originally posted by Devil King
If you draw any lines for another person based on them being gay, not only do you have a problem with homosexuality, but you have a problem with these so-called "friends".It's not your place to draw any "lines" for another human being. The notion that it's your business is propoganda furthered by the national media and politicians.
No, I do not have any problems with my gay friends but I would be the first one to tell them that i dont agree with gay marriage.
Im not drawing the line on another human being. Only in marriage, which is the union between a man and a woman. I dont think being against gay marriage is propaganda. Until gay people started coming out more openly and recently desiring to marry, it was common belief that marriage was between a man and a woman. Since gay marriage appeared in the picture(at least publicly) isnt it better to think that saying that its ok for gays to be marry propaganda? Im sure that for 1 person that dont see anything wrong with gay marriage, there are thousands that dont agree with it.
At the end of the day is about personal preference. Just because u agree with it doesnt mean I have to.
BTW and I dont mean any disrespect with the question, Are u gay?
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
No, I do not have any problems with my gay friends but I would be the first one to tell them that i dont agree with gay marriage.Im not drawing the line on another human being. Only in marriage, which is the union between a man and a woman. I dont think being against gay marriage is propaganda. Until gay people started coming out more openly and recently desiring to marry, it was common belief that marriage was between a man and a woman. Since gay marriage appeared in the picture(at least publicly) isnt it better to think that saying that its ok for gays to be marry propaganda? Im sure that for 1 person that dont see anything wrong with gay marriage, there are thousands that dont agree with it.
At the end of the day is about personal preference. Just because u agree with it doesnt mean I have to.
BTW and I dont mean any disrespect with the question, Are u gay?
If it's personal, then why is it any of your business? You're the one who said "I draw the line". I didn't say having an opinion on the issue was propoganda, I said you thinking it's up to you is a product of the media and politicians telling you it's up to you. And you being the first person to tell your gay friends they will simply have to do without the same rights you have, doesn't sound like much of a friend.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I was referring to gay marriage. While I dont have a problem with gay people (have a few friends myself and they are pretty cool), I draw the line at marriage. As for gangs, im hispanic, gangs are a common thing were im from(NY, CT). As for California, its not a place I would like to live in. Not for the gays or the gangs or even Ahnold, its just not appealing to me.
I hear you.
I have a few black friends, so clearly I'm not racist. But it bothers me that they can use the same bathrooms and drinking fountains as me.
I have nothing against blacks, though.
So JW, if it said in the bible that only two men and two women were allowed to be married, and that it would be a sin for a man and a women to be married, would anyone think thats fair or right? And what do you people think is a bigger sin in the eyes of Jesus or God, two people of the same-sex who are in love and want the same rights as everyone else? Or..... George W. Bush sending men and women off to fight in an unjust war so that he and his buddies ( Dick Cheney) can become more and more rich. Maybe its just me but I think the whole war for oil is much more of a sin, than gay- marriage.
Originally posted by ElvesRule24/7
So JW, if it said in the bible that only two men and two women were allowed to be married, and that it would be a sin for a man and a women to be married, would anyone think thats fair or right? And what do you people think is a bigger sin in the eyes of Jesus or God, two people of the same-sex who are in love and want the same rights as everyone else? Or..... George W. Bush sending men and women off to fight in an unjust war so that he and his buddies ( Dick Cheney) can become more and more rich. Maybe its just me but I think the whole war for oil is much more of a sin, than gay- marriage.
I was sort of following you until you mentioned George W.
I think that God made most homosexuals homosexual. (Genetically or maybe even when he formed their spirit.) From here, the line is blurred for me as far as right or wrong when it comes to homosexuality. What I do know is that it WOULD be a sin to deny someone the basic rights they deserve for just being human. Some of the nicest and altruistic (Christ-Like) people I have ever met were homosexuals.............I just can't see God punishing them for the way HE made them.
When we get to the next life, will they be homosexual? Maybe? Why would God damn a person to hell for something he created in them? That doesn't make sense. If homosexuality IS something that is to be overcome int this life or the next, then I will leave that up to God and not worry about it because I don't want to be judged harshly.
This is/was going towards the religion forum.
Originally posted by Devil King
If it's personal, then why is it any of your business? You're the one who said "I draw the line". I didn't say having an opinion on the issue was propoganda, I said you thinking it's up to you is a product of the media and politicians telling you it's up to you. And you being the first person to tell your gay friends they will simply have to do without the same rights you have, doesn't sound like much of a friend.
Just because i, against it doesnt mean I go telling everyone that would listen that im against gay marriage. If any of my gay friends came and say they wanted to f*** the crap out of each ohter, I would say go ahead, I dont care. If any of them say they wanna have a fruit cake party, I would say go ahead, I dont care. However if they say that they wanted to get married, I probably wouldnt say anything. If asked, I would say that im against it. I dont know ur friends but my friends would tell me if they dont agree with a choice I might make even if I aint gonna like what they have to say.
Originally posted by Devil King
Why wouldn't he be serious? If you look at every member of a gang, be they black or white or hispanic, you see that as one of the most common unifying factors in their lives.
Im sorry but "poverty" is a cheap excuse. Being poor doesnt give u the right to go around hurting people, selling drugs. On the contrary, it should drive u to better urself. Is it easier said than done? Probably not. Peer pressure can be a ***** sometimes tough.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
Just because i, against it doesnt mean I go telling everyone that would listen that im against gay marriage. If any of my gay friends came and say they wanted to f*** the crap out of each ohter, I would say go ahead, I dont care. If any of them say they wanna have a fruit cake party, I would say go ahead, I dont care. However if they say that they wanted to get married, I probably wouldnt say anything. If asked, I would say that im against it. I dont know ur friends but my friends would tell me if they dont agree with a choice I might make even if I aint gonna like what they have to say.Im sorry but "poverty" is a cheap excuse. Being poor doesnt give u the right to go around hurting people, selling drugs. On the contrary, it should drive u to better urself. Is it easier said than done? Probably not. Peer pressure can be a ***** sometimes tough.
"Cheap" is an odd choice of words. "Giving people the right" is as well. Giving rights and the explanation for certain actions are not neccessarily the same thing. I doubt gang member, themselves, would cite poverty as their motivation to join a gang, or even ego. I'm sure they would also cite brotherhood or maybe peer pressure. But, as an objective outside observer, you would have to consider the shared factors. And if all you've ever known is poverty, betterment will likely not come through the option of education or hard work. They've wathed their parents work themselves to the bone, and still they're poor. So, where does advancement come? How do they make enough money to not have to kill themselves as they see their parents doing? How do they provide for their parents, and ease their suffering? From selling drugs and hurting people.
As for your position on gay marriage, all I have to work off are your own words. But, what you would or wouldn't say to one of your friends, aside, what would you do when you walk into a voting booth when faced with casting a vote on the matter? And how is you being asked to vote on it, NOT the propogation of the idea that it is up to you what another person does with their life?
I cant speak for everyone but my advancement came from going to school/college to make sure I didnt made the same mistakes my parents did and dont even say that not all people can afford college because theres financial aid, specially for poor people. Besides, half the drug dealers sell drugs to satisfy their needs, not their families. How is hurting people. How is hurting people benefiting anyone? It doesnt.
As for the booth, U already know my answer. Hell since we are both from the US, Dont u think it should be left to the people to vote on the matter? I would rather the people voted on the matter than a few politicians that may have something to gain on the matter.
Originally posted by Darth Vicious
I cant speak for everyone but my advancement came from going to school/college to make sure I didnt made the same mistakes my parents did and dont even say that not all people can afford college because theres financial aid, specially for poor people. Besides, half the drug dealers sell drugs to satisfy their needs, not their families. How is hurting people. How is hurting people benefiting anyone? It doesnt.As for the booth, U already know my answer. Hell since we are both from the US, Dont u think it should be left to the people to vote on the matter? I would rather the people voted on the matter than a few politicians that may have something to gain on the matter.
So, you had the option of going to AND paying for college. What might be considered access to "more conventional" means of betterment? Family might not be the motivating factor, but a generalized "betterment". Often, hurting others IS a method for benefitting the one who is hurting others.
Yes, I do know what you would do in the booth. Again, you are buying into the propoganda that you are to be consulted when it comes to the rights of another human being. Read the Declaration of Independance. Rights are not yours to give or revoke. But, neither are they the domain of a god, as most people think is the claim of the declaration. Rights are ours, devoid of a creator or a subscription to one. If you paint a picture, what rights does it have other than those you give it? Not to sound cliche, but Tyler Durden was right when he said our parents were our models for god. To you it's a matter of giving and taking. But what do you do when no one asked for you to give them anything? What do you do when someone finally realizes for themselves that what they want they already have, and don't need anyone to give it to them?
In your own words, it's personal. If you wouldn't tell your gay friends they shouldn't be allowed to get married, then it's not your place to walk into that booth and pass judgement on them. Don't cast a vote you're not willing to defend to others. When you decide to get married, make sure you ask the guy sitting next to you on the subway if he's okay with it.
Originally posted by BackFireLet me just say, brilliant 😆
I hear you.I have a few black friends, so clearly I'm not racist. But it bothers me that they can use the same bathrooms and drinking fountains as me.
I have nothing against blacks, though.
Gov. Schwarzenggar has said that he will not support any constitutional amendment banning gay marriage and that he will uphold the CA Supreme Court's decision. Here
Leave the Republican Party already, Arnie.