Rots Yoda vs Exar Kun

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Despite what is generally percieved as Nebaris' insanity ( I don't really see it, but there you go), He makes a good point and one which I've myself got stumped on. That unknown sith's decimation of an entire world's surface is extraordinary to say the least and I want to see someone try too discredit it.
I'd also like too know what the hell all the rivalry is between the Sidious fans and the Ragnos fans. I actually know nothing about Ragnos, but I've heard good things. Mabye someone coild post a link to a relavant argument becuase I'm really confused.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I'd also like too know what the hell all the rivalry is between the Sidious fans and the Ragnos fans. I actually know nothing about Ragnos, but I've heard good things. Mabye someone coild post a link to a relavant argument becuase I'm really confused.

First off, nobody claimed Nebaris is 'insane'. He's a sock, and he has achieved new levels of bias (towards Bane, against movie characters, against Sidious, etc...). He'd make a good debator if he wasn't quite as biased (I don't think anyone can really claim that they are completely free of bias). Don't let the fact that you almost always agree with him blind you of these facts.

As for the "Sidious vs. Ragnos" argument, I've studied the 'history of KMC', and if you scroll back a few dozens of pages back, you'd see t he time when certain individuals said that Marka Ragnos will pwn DE Sidious without full use of his limbs, that Tulak Hord will curbstomp Yoda... the list goes on. You should check some of the old threads.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
First off, nobody claimed Nebaris is 'insane'. He's a sock, and he has achieved new levels of bias (towards Bane, against movie characters, against Sidious, etc...). He'd make a good debator if he wasn't quite as biased (I don't think anyone can really claim that they are completely free of bias). Don't let the fact that you almost always agree with him blind you of these facts.

As for the "Sidious vs. Ragnos" argument, I've studied the 'history of KMC', and if you scroll back a few dozens of pages back, you'd see t he time when certain individuals said that Marka Ragnos will pwn DE Sidious without full use of his limbs, that Tulak Hord will curbstomp Yoda... the list goes on. You should check some of the old threads.

Noobaris isn't a good debater. He's as dumb as they come. His tries to twist facts and logic to his benefit and fails miserably, which is why he's been banned 40+ times. If he was a good debater, most people wouldn't have that many problems with him.

I said he COULD be a good debator if he wasn't incredibly biased. Not that he is one.

And btw, does anyone know what offense got him banned in the first place?

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Despite what is generally percieved as Nebaris' insanity ( I don't really see it, but there you go), He makes a good point and one which I've myself got stumped on. That unknown sith's decimation of an entire world's surface is extraordinary to say the least and I want to see someone try too discredit it.
I'd also like too know what the hell all the rivalry is between the Sidious fans and the Ragnos fans. I actually know nothing about Ragnos, but I've heard good things. Mabye someone coild post a link to a relavant argument becuase I'm really confused.

1. This unknown Sith was not a 'subordinate' of Sadow and Kressh. The Destruction of Ambria happened centuries after they died.

2. It was not intentional nor done with 'one attack.' It was a long ritual coupled with a battle against Thon that went wrong. Not 'blink and destroy planet.'

3. The Sith Lady attempted said ritual, one, which it's said 'was well beyond her means of succesfully performing,' using a 'giant Sith obelisk.'

4. The ritual gone wrong wiped her out too

Originally posted by Lightsnake
1. This unknown Sith was not a 'subordinate' of Sadow and Kressh. The Destruction of Ambria happened centuries after they died.

She wasn't at the time, no, but she had been, back during the GAotS. She fled to Ambria after the Ancient Sith's forces had been defeated and driven back by the Republic.

2. It was not intentional nor done with 'one attack.'

Yes, it was. She had attempted a ritual that was said to have called on more power from the darkside than ever before, it failed, and in anger, she lashed out with a Force Wave that decimated the Planet's entire inhabitants.

It was a long ritual

No, the ritual had nothing to do wit it, it was an impromptu, separate action that was made in response to the failing of the ritual.

coupled with a battle against Thon that went wrong. Not 'blink and destroy planet.'

I'd suggest knowing what you're talking about. Thon only ever fought her spirit, years later, way after the attack that devestated the planet had taken place.

3. The Sith Lady attempted said ritual, one, which it's said 'was well beyond her means of succesfully performing,' using a 'giant Sith obelisk.'

Again, the attack that I was speaking of was completely separate from that.

4. The ritual attack gone wrong wiped her out too

First correct statement you've made yet. Though, it still doesn't undermine much anyway; it's the fact that she was capable of such power in the first place that's impressive.

What was Ambria's population?

From Wookieepedia:

The destruction of Ambria was one of the early events of the Old Sith Wars. The planet Ambria had been home to a Sith sorceress who used the environment to perform experiments into the nature of the dark side. When she arrived on, she used her magic and created a gigantic obelisk which she imbued with the dark side of the Force. Upon it's completion, she attempted an ancient Sith ritual, one which proved far beyond her means of successfully performing. The result was an uncontrollable wave of dark side energy that complete devastated Ambria. All life on the planet ceased to exist, including the Sorceress herself. The landscape was also ravaged more than it was before, and the planet became infused with the dark side. The arrival of Jedi Master Thon began the first stages in freeing Ambria from darkness. Thon's sole purpose for coming to Ambria was to liberate the planet of the dark side, and he succeeded in driving back the dark side, trapping it forevermore in the confines of Lake Natth. With all of Ambria's darkness held at bay by Thon, Lake Natth became a potent focus of dark side energy.

Wookieepedia isn't the end all be end all, Nebaris, but it does disagree with you, and I trust its reliability far more than yours. Please quote the passage.

Here's another passage:

Things remained this way for centuries, until a Sith Sorceress made Ambria her home. Little was known of her origins, and even her name was lost to history, though her deeds had been recorded by the Jedi Order, and were stored in their great archives. She used her dark powers to enslave the native sentients, and used many of the planet's wildlife as war-beasts, aided by the dark side. She began construction of a great black obelisk infused with the dark side; it took her slaves spending over a century building it, though despite the time it took to be completed, her obsession never dwindled. Eventually, she had the chance to conduct the Sith ritual the obelisk had been built for. The exact nature of this ritual is unknown, though Jedi Scholars were able to make out a basic version of events.[2] The Sorceress was not as powerful as she had believed, and her overconfidence proved her undoing.[1] She called on more power than any individual had ever attempted previously,[2] and it proved too complex for her to manage. She released an uncontrolled wave of powerful dark energy on the planet; it destroyed every living thing on the planet, which became totally infused with dark side energies.

According to this, she summoned "more powerful than anyone previously called on" which would include the likes of Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos and it backfired on her, which speaks for none of them. Not to mention that the population was apparently in single digits.

Originally posted by Gideon
What was Ambria's population?

No indication is given, but it doesn't matter. It was a singular attack, and it left a dark side taint across the entire planet, meaning the wave would have had to have encompassed the entire planet. Whether the Planet was packed with inhabitants or not matters little. It was capable of decimating every single being that it came into contact with, and regardless of as insignificant a circumstance, it's one of the mightiest singular Force displays there's ever been.

According to this, she summoned "more powerful than anyone previously called on" which would include the likes of Naga Sadow and Marka Ragnos and it backfired on her, which speaks for none of them.

Again, that was what the ritual was going to do, and it failed. In response, she lashed out in anger, and that's what caused the planetwide devestation. The ritual was obviously calling on far more power than she would be capable of under normal circumstances, and likely well be beyond what the likes of Marka ragnos or Sadow were capable of calling on, so there's no disagreement here, though it should be said that just because nobody before her had ever called on such power, it doesn't mean that they weren't capable of it.

Not to mention that the population was apparently in single digits.

What gives you that impression?

Originally posted by Taven
She wasn't at the time, no, but she had been, back during the GAotS. She fled to Ambria after the Ancient Sith's forces had been defeated and driven back by the Republic.

First correct statement you've made yet. Though, it still doesn't undermine much anyway; it's the fact that she was capable of such power in the first place that's impressive.

As we can see, Nerbaris is making things up.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Prove this. The Sith species was extinct by this time or nearly so. As Freedon Nadd had become the first non-Sith Sith four hundred years prior, prove the Sorceress's origins

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It was a ritual that went wrong using Sith power objects-IE: Not her own power.

Wrong and wrong.

It refers only to the ritual gone wrong, not her own power.

As we can see, Nerbaris is making things up.

Lying coward.

"Lying coward" LOL. Says the gentleman whose longest hiatus from this forum came after an unbelievably harsh ass kicking by yours truly. You didn't bother quoting the passage, despite the fact that it is your burden to prove, and despite the equally damaging fact that both Lightsnake and Wookieepeda disagree with you on the issue.

Lol funny that if its her own power then why get torn apart by it?

I feel very comfortable declaring 'victory' at this juncture and enjoying it.

Even moreso with how uneven all his quote tags are. I must assume he typed this up in a hysterical rage.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon

And btw, does anyone know what offense got him banned in the first place?

Stealing my signature and changing his name so that it was like mine (Mine was Blax X he changed his name to Blax XX).

Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
Stealing my signature and changing his name so that it was like mine (Mine was Blax X he changed his name to Blax XX).

LOL. That's the definition of 'pathetic'.

Wow first you claim you don't see his insanity(which everyone including new members do)

Everyone, including new members are sheep. It's just cool to hate nebaris.

And, wow, I really didn't know that there was any stuff on that sorceress. All I went on was the mention in POD, which impressed me. I'm a bit confused as to how Wookiepedia knew all that stuff though.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Everyone, including new members are sheep. It's just cool to hate nebaris.

And, wow, I really didn't know that there was any stuff on that sorceress. All I went on was the mention in POD, which impressed me. I'm a bit confused as to how Wookiepedia knew all that stuff though.

Personally i got nothing against him and i would rather see him harass and annoy the hell out of lucasforums.com idiot moderator roguenine which be very climatic.

No it isn't. Hell i have tried to be friendly and reasonable with him, but he chooses not to appreciate it and be an ass hence i don't see why i should bother. With that being said i don't know how people are not going to hate him.

I don't hate him. To me he just seems like a very smart, witty guy who's passionate about what he's arguing about. Truthfully he can be a bit overthetop at times, with those massive replies, but then again, we're all Star Wars nerds and can't really judge him that much. Let he without sin and all that.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I don't hate him. To me he just seems like a very smart, witty guy who's passionate about what he's arguing about. Truthfully he can be a bit overthetop at times, with those massive replies, but then again, we're all Star Wars nerds and can't really judge him that much. Let he without sin and all that.

Witty?

Right, like the reevaluated hierarchy? "lulz Drew Karapshyn and Karen Traviss > George Lucas > Gilliad Palleino > Publius"?

No one but you (who is also, incidentally, a Bane fanboy) finds him funny in the slightest.

Originally posted by Darth Exodus
I don't hate him. To me he just seems like a very smart, witty guy who's passionate about what he's arguing about. Truthfully he can be a bit overthetop at times, with those massive replies, but then again, we're all Star Wars nerds and can't really judge him that much. Let he without sin and all that.