Thanos & Darkseid Vs. All-Star Superman

Originally posted by darthgoober
Not really. One is an instance of a writer expressing his views of how one character stacks up to the rest in his head and is therefor obviously just his opinion. But in the Drax/Thanos scenario the writer isn't so much giving his opinion as he is clarifying the events of a story that he wrote. It's not a writers place to dictate the character outside of the writer's sphere of influence, but it IS a writer's place to say "THIS is what I wanted demonstrated on this page".

Actually, both writers went on to explain why certain events transpired in their respective stories.

Both also gave their opinions. Either way, it means little as it's outside the comic.

Originally posted by Avlon
Actually, both writers went on to explain why certain events transpired in their respective stories.

Both also gave their opinions. Either way, it means little as it's outside the comic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No I never said because they looked alike only I said because they had the same effect. Then apple juice was compared to pinesol. Get your facts straight before you come at me. 😬

And you stated that because they looked alike...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Drax was created and it had nothing to do with strength or energy but his unique ability against Thanos. 😬

You said it..he was created... therefore can be replicated...

Originally posted by quanchi112
When has Drax used this ability on anyone else?

Why would he have to? He also didn't look like Kratos before either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It wasnt just Drax's opinion it was the opinion of the writer. 😉 He was created for Thanos. Didnt you know that?

Like Orion and DS. Both Orion and Drax took out their opponents hearts and were destined to kill...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was defeated by Warlocks ghost. Thanos has been upgraded since then and the Surfer has this ability yet doesnt do it because you cant. Quit ignoring Thanos upgrades.

Doesn't matter. It has never been stated that his resistance was improved to such a thing. After all, you surely didn't give Henshaw a break even though he's been upgraded quite a bit himself. Double standards won't be accepted.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Orion wasnt created to kill Darkseid. Unless you think Darkseid had him to later kill Darkseid. 😖hifty:

He was destined to kill him. Which he did. Same with Drax and Thanos.

Drax was never destined to kill Thanos that was just his purpose. Orion was destined to kill Darkseid and he did it in a fair fight. The have fought before and Darkseid avoided death. This time Orion was that much better. He tore his heart out as his looked into his eyes. [/B][/QUOTE]

He succeeded just fine. Thanos is dead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ds just did fight Superman and Jimmy. He also used Olsen to beat Supes through knite. 😉

Not sure why you think that would irritate me. He still fought them. Thanos literally had to put up a forcefield out of fear.

Originally posted by quanchi112
All in all Darkseid still got his heart ripped from his body. Doesnt look good for classic Ds here.

Take it up with the DS fans as your use of irritants aren't derailing me. Thanos got his heart punch out through his body. Not exactly the best either.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It was explained why a certain event happened whereas the Superman writer was talking about his powerset in general and not specific events.

So Casey wasn't talking about the events of AOS #594 and how his mental state unlocked limitless power?

Thanos has faces forces beyond anything AS Superman has shown to muster.

Thanos is clearly beyond Supes abilties to do truly harm him.

Originally posted by Avlon
And you stated that because they looked alike...

You said it..he was created... therefore can be replicated...

Why would he have to? He also didn't look like Kratos before either.

Like Orion and DS. Both Orion and Drax took out their opponents hearts and were destined to kill...

Doesn't matter. It has never been stated that his resistance was improved to such a thing. After all, you surely didn't give Henshaw a break even though he's been upgraded quite a bit himself. Double standards won't be accepted.

He was destined to kill him. Which he did. Same with Drax and Thanos.

Drax was never destined to kill Thanos that was just his purpose. Orion was destined to kill Darkseid and he did it in a fair fight. The have fought before and Darkseid avoided death. This time Orion was that much better. He tore his heart out as his looked into his eyes.

He succeeded just fine. Thanos is dead.

Not sure why you think that would irritate me. He still fought them. Thanos literally had to put up a forcefield out of fear.

Take it up with the DS fans as your use of irritants aren't derailing me. Thanos got his heart punch out through his body. Not exactly the best either. [/B][/QUOTE] No I stated they had the same effect as well. 😉

Thanos is hanging with death right now and still exists. He might not be alive but Thanos still exists.

He was created by Kronos. So unless a being is created by someone as powerful as he is then it cant be replicated by any existing characters. No one else was created to kill Thanos. 😛

Orion beat Darkseids ass while Drax cheapshotted Thanos. Huge difference, its all about the context.

Henshaw changes his bodies but didnt permanently upgrade himself. He was amped in sinestro corps and thats why he beat Supermans ass not because he himself was more powerful. Its about the context.

Drax was never destined to kill Thanos. Its almost as if you dont know a thing about Thanos or Drax.

Originally posted by Avlon
Actually, both writers went on to explain why certain events transpired in their respective stories.

Both also gave their opinions. Either way, it means little as it's outside the comic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He succeeded just fine. Thanos is dead.

Not sure why you think that would irritate me. He still fought them. Thanos literally had to put up a forcefield out of fear.

Take it up with the DS fans as your use of irritants aren't derailing me. Thanos got his heart punch out through his body. Not exactly the best either.

Thanos is hanging with death right now and still exists. He might not be alive but Thanos still exists.

He was created by Kronos. So unless a being is created by someone as powerful as he is then it cant be replicated by any existing characters. No one else was created to kill Thanos. 😛

Orion beat Darkseids ass while Drax cheapshotted Thanos. Huge difference, its all about the context.

Henshaw changes his bodies but didnt permanently upgrade himself. He was amped in sinestro corps and thats why he beat Supermans ass not because he himself was more powerful. Its about the context.

Drax was never destined to kill Thanos. Its almost as if you dont know a thing about Thanos or Drax. [/B][/QUOTE]

It's almost as if you never run out of excuses for Thanos. 🙂

Nope...there was no cheapshot on Thanos. No matter how you try and get around it. 🙂

Both DS and Thanos died by having their hearts removed.

Prove that Henshaw hasn't been upgraded at all. Then prove that Warlocks spell wouldn't affect Thanos. Saying he's upgraded won't count. Show solid proof.

Originally posted by darthgoober
In the Thanos/Drax case all the writer did was explain what was demonstrated in the book because it was up for debate. Drax himself spoke of being Thanos's silver bullet and that effect was demonstrated by the green aura that surrounded him when he attacked Thanos, all that writer did was clarify that the green aura WAS the "silver bullet" effect in action. A writer stating the upper limits of Flash's speed might not be valid, but a writer explaining that some effect in a comic he wrote was intended as a visual depiction(like motion lines or multiple images) of Flash using his speed it certainly would be.

Nobody has denied anything about the green energy. Being a silver bullet however doesn't imply that Drax is the only person that could ever kill Thanos or replicate the energy signature. Superman's writer explained the reason he beat that many probes effortlessly is because he tapped into previously untouched levels of power.

Being a silver bullet implies that he is strong and made to kill a werewolf. He is strong against Thanos, he has something that others don't have against him. Right?

A silver bullet is made to kill a werewolf, however, that doesn't mean it's the only silver bullet, or that more can't be made, or that there aren't other ways to kill it.

I'm just saying that there is a reason of why Thanos died like he did.

You cannot prove the energy signature can be replicated. Kronos used a person to do what he did, maybe it was needed to create someone, Orion beat Darkseid because of his unique energy signature didn't he? And the Source did not just replicate that energy. Just to point out that its ludicrous to say that you will replicate the energy until at least one person does such replication.

Originally posted by Avlon
Nobody has denied anything about the green energy. Being a silver bullet however doesn't imply that Drax is the only person that could ever kill Thanos or replicate the energy signature. Superman's writer explained the reason he beat that many probes effortlessly is because he tapped into previously untouched levels of power.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Actually Drax stated that he was the ONLY one capable of doing that, and that does kinda imply that no one else can recreate the effect.

He mentioned that he was given the drive to kill Thanos...and that to his knowledge he was the one who can do it.

It was his opinion, and even then a little shaky on his end as it wasn't a strong statement either.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosdestiny.jpg

Originally posted by Avlon
He mentioned that he was given the drive to kill Thanos...and that to [b]his knowledge he was the one who can do it.

It was his opinion, and even then a little shaky on his end as it wasn't a strong statement either.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosdestiny.jpg [/B]

I'm not actually trying to contend that no one other Drax could kill Thanos(if nothing else I'm pretty sure Walker would kick his ass), just that Drax/Thanos is a special scenario and there's nothing to suggest that anyone else could replicate that energy type. Now I know what you're going to say "But the same could be said of Surfer and K-nite" but the difference there is that we've seen energy manipulators from both Marvel and DC recreate K-nite so we know it's possible.

Simply put, I'm of the opinion that as stated, Schmidt was clarifying the situation put forward by his team as Drax has never been explicitly stated to be a silver bullet to Thanos before. There were no claims made, unlike the situation with Superman, which has been contradicted on panel (and which could even be true, if a latter writer portrays him as having never fully let go in the past). Giffen, the author of the Annihilation series, has stated in numerous interviews that this was his exact intention as well (I'll list the sources when I find them again), and that he "would probably get castigated for this". Nothing I've seen from the ANnihilation team, or from interviews after Annihilation, have contradicted the quotes I posted.

As for it being possible to create another silver bullet, it obviously is possible, if the same circumstances were replicated or improved. The aura means nothing more, in my opinion, than an indication that Drax was getting amped the nearer he got to Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So then according to that writer he can defeat Spectre,Parallax,coie Am and what not? No. Simply no.

We know no one else can replicate Drax's feat because he was made to kill Thanos and just recently devveloped these new anti Thanos powers that were thought by one writer and he said no one else can do it.

So according to the annihilation writer no one could replicate that feat? No one could rip Thanos' heart out except for Drax? Not Kronos? Not Galactus? Not Eternity? Not the LT? Not TOAA?

If I may, I would assume that by "no one else can do it", he was not referring to the heart ripping feat per se, but rather that there isn't another entity that is specifically built and evolved to kill Thanos. That isn't to say that there cannot be another in the future, but that as of the time of said quote, Drax was the only such entity.

Originally posted by Avlon
No I stated they had the same effect as well. 😉

Thanos is hanging with death right now and still exists. He might not be alive but Thanos still exists.

He was created by Kronos. So unless a being is created by someone as powerful as he is then it cant be replicated by any existing characters. No one else was created to kill Thanos. 😛

Orion beat Darkseids ass while Drax cheapshotted Thanos. Huge difference, its all about the context.

Henshaw changes his bodies but didnt permanently upgrade himself. He was amped in sinestro corps and thats why he beat Supermans ass not because he himself was more powerful. Its about the context.

Drax was never destined to kill Thanos. Its almost as if you dont know a thing about Thanos or Drax.

It's almost as if you never run out of excuses for Thanos. 🙂

Nope...there was no cheapshot on Thanos. No matter how you try and get around it. 🙂

Both DS and Thanos died by having their hearts removed.

Prove that Henshaw hasn't been upgraded at all. Then prove that Warlocks spell wouldn't affect Thanos. Saying he's upgraded won't count. Show solid proof. [/B][/QUOTE]

Quans post starts here.

I dont make excuses I simply give you facts.

When your back is turned its called a cheapshot. No way around it.

Darkseid and Thanos both had their hearts removed but both had it done in different ways. One was cheapshotted while the other was just physically pwned.

Thanos hasnt been turned into stone since his upgrade. Warlocks ghost accomplished this and not his regular person. Completely different friend. 😛

Thanos had an upgrade and it was mentioned while you just assume Henshaw was upgraded. Big difference. 😄

Originally posted by Avlon
He mentioned that he was given the drive to kill Thanos...and that to [b]his knowledge he was the one who can do it.

It was his opinion, and even then a little shaky on his end as it wasn't a strong statement either.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/drax/draxthanosdestiny.jpg [/B]