Wolverine vs Spiderman fist fight

Originally posted by carver9
Did i say that wolverine possess speed demon speed. Wolverine is far away from having anything close to his speed but wolverine does have great reflexes, he proved that by dodging cyclops eye beams on numerous of occasions in origins in close range. He proved that by slicing a guy up in about 50 pieces in 2 panels before even a piece of his body hit the floor. He proved this by kicking a rocket that was just fired out of a rocket launcher to the ground before the rocket even got the chance to make its course (also in orgins). He proved this by slicing three guns out of 3 guy hands before they even got the chance to blink and they didnt even see him move his arm.

Wolverine isnt a speedster but his reflexes is superhuman.

Wolverine would need Speed Demon level speed to outrace him to a position and hit him.

So either Wolverine has SD level speed or that scan is crap, which is it?

These men are looking directly at wolverine and wolverine moves so fast that they dont even see him leave. he basically disappears right in front of there faces.

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1924/16sm9.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9412/17mv6.jpg

Dodging gun fire, pfft, he dodges a lot of gun fire from oozies.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2607/19eg6.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5594/2021yb8.jpg

Another blitz by wolverine. The soldiers actually lose sight of him.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/128/wolverine1618qu4.jpg

Again, wolverine speed is incredible.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Know becauses that clealry what it shows.

How did I fail?

You posted 3 scanns. two of which were useless becuases they were prior to his down grade.

your one scann I match with Logan doing the same dam thing.

then on top of that you have yet to match Logan speed blizting the troops or dodging all thoses energy blasts

You just made a post thats pretty much the same as the previous one.

He has superhuman senses…………yup you don’t read wolverine.

Superhuman sense doesnt mean he has pre-cog like spiderman. It means he can hear,smell, and see better. He cant tell where a bullet is coming from if he can't see it and hence "dodge" it. Also, don't you think you'll need some sort of fast movement to dodge a bullet, not just move you eyes around?

It hurts still and that day he took a lot of damage he ended up sleeping it off when he got back.

You said in a Cap thread that bullets he is unaffected by bullets... 😕

Anyway I can tell you are just going to keep saying that he did dodge the bullet....

So Lets settle the Bullet dodging one first: Your opinion. Its not clear nor obvious.
Follow my example and learn to say "I agree to disgree" (its called having a mature discussion, an example of the opposite would be to say "shut up"😉.
Otherwise we'll just be going back and forth in a "yes he does", "no he doesnt" fashion.

The only other way is to ask whether the other members think the picture shows wolverine dodging the bullet or not.

Originally posted by Placidity
You just made a post thats pretty much the same as the previous one.

Superhuman sense doesnt mean he has pre-cog like spiderman. It means he can hear,smell, and see better. He cant tell where a bullet is coming from if he can't see it and hence "dodge" it. Also, don't you think you'll need some sort of fast movement to dodge a bullet, not just move you eyes around?

You said in a Cap thread that bullets he is unaffected by bullets... 😕

Anyway I can tell you are just going to keep saying that he did dodge the bullet....

So Lets settle the Bullet dodging one first: Your opinion. Its not clear nor obvious.
Follow my example and learn to say "I agree to disgree" (its called having a mature discussion, an example of the opposite would be to say "shut up"😉.
Otherwise we'll just be going back and forth in a "yes he does", "no he doesnt" fashion.

The only other way is to ask whether the other members think the picture shows wolverine dodging the bullet or not.

Is this better, not a bullet touch him and he is so fast that he put a guy in front of him before the bullet even come his way.
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9610/wolverinev21810hr3.jpg

Wow, bullets, cyclops cant even hit him and wolverine reflexes are so fast that he slaps a beam out of mid air.
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclopssucks03rw3.jpg
and again, dodges point blank attack from cyclops like it was nothing. You have to be extremely fast to dodge a blast before it hits you and this feat was point blank while in cyclops da** face.
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclopssucks04hy7.jpg

Wolverine is dancing and two ninja jump through a window, wolverine drops the girl, pop out his claws, slice the two ninja up one by one and then catch the girl before she falls.
http://img407.imageshack.us/my.php?image=0e6ad358or0.jpg

Some more bullet dodging
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wpyrate09181rt.jpg

I dont even have to explain this, it speaks for itself.
http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm178pg03lowresur0.jpg

Dont have to explain this one either
http://img218.imageshack.us/my.php?image=204brwc7.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
These men are looking directly at wolverine and wolverine moves so fast that they dont even see him leave. he basically disappears right in front of there faces.

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/1924/16sm9.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/9412/17mv6.jpg

Dodging gun fire, pfft, he dodges a lot of gun fire from oozies.
http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/2607/19eg6.jpg
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5594/2021yb8.jpg

Another blitz by wolverine. The soldiers actually lose sight of him.
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/128/wolverine1618qu4.jpg

Again, wolverine speed is incredible.

lol, and none of that shows SD level speed, which he would need to perform the attack he did against SD, I'm glad to see you agree that that scan is crap.

Now as for these scans, he didn't move so fast they didn't see him move, he moved into the shadows and they didn't know where he was, not the same as him moving too fast for their eyes to keep up.

There's nothing special about him dodging uzis, almost every street level character dodges bullets.

He's running at the helicopter and he dived under it, of course they lose sight of him. You seem to think losing sight of a person = the person is moving to fast for their eyes to register his movements, which isn't true.

And again, none of those show the amount of speed he would need to tag SD in the manner in which he did in the previous scan shown.

Dodging more bullets.
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8915/wolverineorigins03vt6.jpg

Lets look how fast he disappears and reappear
http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins08in6.jpg
da** that was nice.

dodging bullets again
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4624/19mj4.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Is this better, not a bullet touch him and he is so fast that he put a guy in front of him before the bullet even come his way.
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9610/wolverinev21810hr3.jpg

Wow, bullets, cyclops cant even hit him and wolverine reflexes are so fast that he slaps a beam out of mid air.
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclopssucks03rw3.jpg
and again, dodges point blank attack from cyclops like it was nothing. You have to be extremely fast to dodge a blast before it hits you and this feat was point blank while in cyclops da** face.
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cyclopssucks04hy7.jpg

Ok, let me explain the one with Spiderman dodging the bullet.

He has his back towards the gun, and he doesn't even know that someone is about to shoot him. The range is pretty close aswell, and he dodges it when the bullet is just about to hit him. All this done without looking.

Ok now on to your pictures. Firstly these are the types of real examples of dodging something, not like the ones in Hammer's post.

For the first picture, he isnt really dodging bullet fire the way SM does. He anticipates his opponent's movements and he is jumping around evading it. Strictly speaking, still dodging - but no where near SM's feat.

For the second picture, how far away is cyclops? We don't know, but again, he has time to see the blast coming towards him and he is ready.

Last one, I am quite impressed with, but once again he can see his attacker, and where the blast would be coming from.

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Originally posted by Placidity
Superhuman sense doesnt mean he has pre-cog like spiderman. It means he can hear,smell, and see better. He cant tell where a bullet is coming from if he can't see it and hence "dodge" it. Also, don't you think you'll need some sort of fast movement to dodge a bullet, not just move you eyes around?

Actaully it does mean he can senses the bullet and were it coming from like he does here
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine64ob8.jpg

and here
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinespeedfeatds9.jpg

so like before your wrong.

Originally posted by Placidity
You said in a Cap thread that bullets he is unaffected by bullets... 😕

And yes by them selfs, bullets are pretty much nothing to him and have not been for a while. However if taken enough damage bullets can be dangerous and sometimes Logan simply feels like dodging a bullet.

Originally posted by Placidity
Anyway I can tell you are just going to keep saying that he did dodge the bullet....

Originally posted by Placidity
So Lets settle the Bullet dodging one first: Your opinion. Its not clear nor obvious.
Follow my example and learn to say "I agree to disgree" (its called having a mature discussion, an example of the opposite would be to say "shut up"😉.
Otherwise we'll just be going back and forth in a "yes he does", "no he doesnt" fashion.

The only other way is to ask whether the other members think the picture shows wolverine dodging the bullet or not.

It does show him dodging the bullet…………and the rest of the forum has seen and and most all agreed……..this pick has been used in countless threads………..

Originally posted by Mindset
lol, and none of that shows SD level speed, which he would need to perform the attack he did against SD, I'm glad to see you agree that that scan is crap.

Now as for these scans, he didn't move so fast they didn't see him move, he moved into the shadows and they didn't know where he was, not the same as him moving too fast for their eyes to keep up.

There's nothing special about him dodging uzis, almost every street level character dodges bullets.

He's running at the helicopter and he dived under it, of course they lose sight of him. You seem to think losing sight of a person = the person is moving to fast for their eyes to register his movements, which isn't true.

And again, none of those show the amount of speed he would need to tag SD in the manner in which he did in the previous scan shown.

I didnt post those scans for speed demon, one of the guys on here said that wolverine cant dodge bullet so I posted numerous of bullet dodging feats. My posts wasnt towards you. I apologize. I know speed demon can pull ever feat that I posted with his eyes closed and one leg cut off.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
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He moved his head………..which was quite evident………

Actaully it does mean he can senses the bullet and were it coming from like he does here
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverine64ob8.jpg

and here
http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverinespeedfeatds9.jpg

so like before your wrong.

Actually I said it in the deadpool thread.

And yes by them selfs, bullets are pretty much nothing to him and have not been for a while. However if taken enough damage bullets can be dangerous and sometimes Logan simply feels like dodging a bullet.

Becuases he did……..

It does show him dodging the bullet…………and the rest of the forum has seen and and most all agreed……..this pick has been used in countless threads………..

Nice post.

Originally posted by Placidity

For the second picture, how far away is cyclops? We don't know, but again, he has time to see the blast coming towards him and he is ready.

Last one, I am quite impressed with, but once again he can see his attacker, and where the blast would be coming from.

why does this matter? spiderman has spidersenses which straight up tell him were the attack is comming from. so him dodging something from behind him makes really no differences............

Originally posted by carver9
I didnt post those scans for speed demon, one of the guys on here said that wolverine cant dodge bullet so I posted numerous of bullet dodging feats. My posts wasnt towards you. I apologize. I know speed demon can pull ever feat that I posted with his eyes closed and one leg cut off.

Oh, ok then.

😛

Originally posted by Placidity
Ok, let me explain the one with Spiderman dodging the bullet.

He has his back towards the gun, and he doesn't even know that someone is about to shoot him. The range is pretty close aswell, and he dodges it when the bullet is just about to hit him. All this done without looking.

Ok now on to your pictures. Firstly these are the types of real examples of dodging something, not like the ones in Hammer's post.

For the first picture, he isnt really dodging bullet fire the way SM does. He anticipates his opponent's movements and he is jumping around evading it. Strictly speaking, still dodging - but no where near SM's feat.

For the second picture, how far away is cyclops? We don't know, but again, he has time to see the blast coming towards him and he is ready.

Last one, I am quite impressed with, but once again he can see his attacker, and where the blast would be coming from.

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Do you know how fast you have to be to dodge cyclops blast from point blank range.

How would he know something is coming out with the speed of the blast, so youre basically saying that wolverine can see the blast in slow motion (which he might could since he did pull of a stunt like that).

That feat of wolverine dodging bullet isnt any difference then what spiderman has done but hey your on the role of not accepting anything anyways, so whats the point.

Again do you know how fast you have to be to dodge blast from cyclops while fighting other opponents. Thats a spectacular feat for wolverine, especially since cyclops is one of the most accurate shooters in marvel.

Originally posted by carver9
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Do you know how fast you have to be to dodge cyclops blast from point blank range.

How would he know something is coming out with the speed of the blast, so youre basically saying that wolverine can see the blast in slow motion (which he might could since he did pull of a stunt like that).

That feat of wolverine dodging bullet isnt any difference then what spiderman has done but hey your on the role of not accepting anything anyways, so whats the point.

Again do you know how fast you have to be to dodge blast from cyclops while fighting other opponents. Thats a spectacular feat for wolverine, especially since cyclops is one of the most accurate shooters in marvel.

No, how fast do you have to be? What would be a correct answer Carver9?

Without first anticipating the blast, you would have to be as fast as the speed of light. Thats how fast you'd have to be. So stop asking stupid questions.

Originally posted by carver9
but hey your on the role of not accepting anything anyways, so whats the point.

Anyone can say something meaningless like that, like I could say that back at you...

You're right, there is no point, because it seems your point is to make everyone who disagrees with you accept your truth.

Why would I accept something I don't believe to be true? Seriously, why would someone do that? Because I'm a fanboy? No, I assure you I am not, if Wolverine had his claws out it'd be a different story.

You don't seem to understand what discussion is very well, not a mature one anyway.

Originally posted by Placidity
Anyone can say something meaningless like that, like I could say that back at you...

You're right, there is no point, because it seems your point is to make everyone who disagrees with you accept your truth.

Why would I accept something I don't believe to be true? Seriously, why would someone do that? Because I'm a fanboy? No, I assure you I am not, if Wolverine had his claws out it'd be a different story.

You don't seem to understand what discussion is very well, not a mature one anyway.

Oh, you want his claws out, well here you go, wolverine is about to attack captain america WITH HIS CLAWS OUT and was still fast enough to dodge a blast that was coming at him.

http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins53dy9.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins54av9.jpg

Or what about this, wolvy exhausted after fighting cap and basically has his eyes close and dodge a slice coming from cap and dodged it iinstantly.
http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins54av9.jpg

Lets see what excuse your going to come up with now and can you please show me these amazing spiderman dodging bullet feats because to my knowledge he got shot by punisher.

By the way I never said that none of your post was meaningless, i dont discredit post like you do and make up excuses on why something isnt as good as something else like you do.

Originally posted by Placidity
No, how fast do you have to be? What would be a correct answer Carver9?

Without first anticipating the blast, you would have to be as fast as the speed of light. Thats how fast you'd have to be. So stop asking stupid questions.

Who says that cyclops blast goes the speed of light. So I guess that every blast that is shot is the speed of light huh. Bullets is close to hitting the speed of sound but people like wolverine, spiderman, and cap are dodging them like nothing.

Originally posted by carver9
Oh, you want his claws out, well here you go, wolverine is about to attack captain america WITH HIS CLAWS OUT and was still fast enough to dodge a blast that was coming at him.

http://img182.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins53dy9.jpg
http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins54av9.jpg

Or what about this, wolvy exhausted after fighting cap and basically has his eyes close and dodge a slice coming from cap and dodged it iinstantly.
http://img375.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wolverineorigins54av9.jpg

Lets see what excuse your going to come up with now and can you please show me these amazing spiderman dodging bullet feats because to my knowledge he got shot by punisher.

by the way wolverine did all of that before cap even hit the ground due to his leg. Damn thats fast, performing those feats before a character hits the ground but hey, he cant match spiderman speed.