Originally posted by ushomefreehis truth is better than yours because he isnt an idiot
Shaky... stop making "objective" statements; they are irrelevant--or I think, since, truth is subjective? But what makes your opinion/view better (truthful) than mine? Truth is subjective, right? This is my perception of truth! And, it is the "truth"--my truth! It is just the same as yours--just as valid. Stop being "exclusive."
Originally posted by ushomefree
I am going to bed now. Oh... wait... I'm not--oh wait, I am! Hmm... I guess I am, since truth is subjective. But I can never be sure; this is simply my truth (of the notion). Frustration, hello! Oh brother... I must not, must not, must not be "objective." Objectivity does not exist! Oh shoot... their I go... making an objective statement. Man, I really don't know what to believe. Oops... their I go again! Sheesh!! How foolish of me? Dare I question?!
Are you hi on pot?
You know, you miss out on a lot when you don't read.
Originally posted by ushomefreeOK, thanks to everyone for helping me understand what he was trying to get at because I seriously thought that he lost it with this example. 😖
What?! That is a great point! The word "apple," contains the letter, "a," corresponding to the first letter of the alphabet. Cosmos and man--in lieu of their first letters--are secondary to "a," in "apple!" Hence, "apples" are more complex than the Cosmos and mankind, since Cosmos begins with, "C," and "mankind," with "m!" Prove me wrong!! But you can't because truth is subjective; my opinion is just a valid as yours. So, their is no need for debate, right?!
And the derailing begins 😆
Originally posted by ushomefree
I am going to bed now. Oh... wait... I'm not--oh wait, I am! Hmm... I guess I am, since truth is subjective. But I can never be sure; this is simply my truth (of the notion). Frustration, hello! Oh brother... I must not, must not, must not be "objective." Objectivity does not exist! Oh shoot... their I go... making an objective statement. Man, I really don't know what to believe. Oops... their I go again! Sheesh!! How foolish of me? Dare I question?!
So changing your mind leads to subjective truth? I REALLY hope that he (she?) was being facetious.
When I teach literature, it's always interesting to see at what stage they grasp the concept of subjective interpretation (most already have by the time I have them). So long as they have passages from the text to support their position, it can be considered a provisionally true statement. Substitute "passages from the text" for "empirical evidence" and it actually sounds a lot like science. The end result is that you can view a character, text, theme, ambiguity, etc. from multiple perspectives, each as valid as the other.
Then there's the kid who throws an asinine opinion out there and claims that I told him/her "there are no wrong answers." No, there are. I ask the student to justify their position. A long pause, an embarrassed face, and perhaps a stammered (blatantly incorrect) response later, followed by random giggles throughout the class, and most understand the point.
Let's only hope ushome has the same revelation. Though I doubt it. The perceived absolute objectivity of religion is a warm blanket for many, regardless of its fallacious nature.
Originally posted by chithappens
Well put. What level do you teach? I'm actually going to be a middle school English teacher in about three years so I will probably have this problem 😂
High school, so when I get it, it's usually just some kid being a jerk-off...not actually misunderstanding the concept. Though occasionally I wonder, because the stupidity of people can shock anyone.
Middle school'ers are more apt to make things up without realizing there's no basis for it. So it's not a misunderstanding of subjective interpretation, just a (largely understandable) ignorance of it, since abstractions like that are a bit tougher for them. They'll form opinions without even considering the need for textual justification, and also want to "know the answer" without dealing in ambiguities.
Good luck though, with (I would assume) your current degree and eventual career.
🙂
Originally posted by DigiMark007
High school, so when I get it, it's usually just some kid being a jerk-off...not actually misunderstanding the concept. Though occasionally I wonder, because the stupidity of people can shock anyone.Middle school'ers are more apt to make things up without realizing there's no basis for it. So it's not a misunderstanding of subjective interpretation, just a (largely understandable) ignorance of it, since abstractions like that are a bit tougher for them. They'll form opinions without even considering the need for textual justification, and also want to "know the answer" without dealing in ambiguities.
Good luck though, with (I would assume) your current degree and eventual career.
🙂
I do feel as if I will have to deal with that same issue. In fact, it was talking to people in college who could not form valid opinions, like seen here, that made me decide to teach English. Those who can not provide evidence for their opinions are poor critical thinkers and often times this is a result of poor reading skills. It's exactly as you said above.
Originally posted by DigiMark007like i said teach at my school, id love for you to meet/punch trans 😄
High school, so when I get it, it's usually just some kid being a jerk-off...not actually misunderstanding the concept. Though occasionally I wonder, because the stupidity of people can shock anyone.Middle school'ers are more apt to make things up without realizing there's no basis for it. So it's not a misunderstanding of subjective interpretation, just a (largely understandable) ignorance of it, since abstractions like that are a bit tougher for them. They'll form opinions without even considering the need for textual justification, and also want to "know the answer" without dealing in ambiguities.
Good luck though, with (I would assume) your current degree and eventual career.
🙂
Originally posted by chickenlover98
like i said teach at my school, id love for you to meet/punch trans 😄
Oh, that's not quite right. School isn't the place to get into protracted arguments about such things. Kids have all sorts of interesting (and wrong) opinions. Occasional discussion is acceptable, but if I treated them like I debate on KMC I'd probably lose my job in a hurry.
He'd be like "the sun revolves around the earth."
My response would be something like "well that's nice. No one really agrees, but be quiet and do your work." Then if he persisted, I'd write him up.
Originally posted by DigiMark007Or beat him with your big stick 😆
Oh, that's not quite right. School isn't the place to get into protracted arguments about such things. Kids have all sorts of interesting (and wrong) opinions. Occasional discussion is acceptable, but if I treated them like I debate on KMC I'd probably lose my job in a hurry.He'd be like "the sun revolves around the earth."
My response would be something like "well that's nice. No one really agrees, but be quiet and do your work." Then if he persisted, I'd write him up.
http://www.qwantz.com/archive/000836.html
Holy crap guys. It's like God was watching our discussion and decided to help me out.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007😆 😆
http://www.qwantz.com/archive/000836.htmlHoly crap guys. It's like God was watching our discussion and decided to help me out.
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