Originally posted by Mindset
Because he could take him out had he not jobbed.Glad we cleared that up.
how was he jobbing when he used everything he could from his charged cards to actually charging cap himself and still it didnt take Cap out, so no gambit cannot take cap out but cap took him out with 1 punch and its on panel.
Originally posted by red sabre
facts are Cap took a blast from gambit and it is what it is, captain america always presents insane damage soak and durability so i dont see the problem here, i bet a guy with same durability as cap would be knocked out however cap aside of having freakish durability and damage soak has also insane level of fighting spirit and will power and thats basically what makes him keep going when even he himself shouldnt be able to, and its not PIS if its presented time after time after time.and even if gambit would be able to take cap with a blast we take into calcualtion the fact cap wasnt even serious at first, however as you saw when cap got serious he basically blocked everything gambit had to offer with his shield and one shotted the guy.
I agree, Cap takes this one easy.
Originally posted by Mindset
That's how he was jobbing...
nop, jobing would be if gambit for some reason forgot that he got powers and would try to trade blows with cap, however in those 2 fights gambit was using his powers and clearly was trying to hurt Cap however cap blocked and took everything gambit had to offer and one shotted him twice.
Cap has a "Jobber Aura". Everybody knows that. His stats are clearly stated to be at a certain level, yet because he's Captain America, he performs above and beyond those set levels all the time. He's to Marvel what Batman is to DC.
Like how Batman hurt Wonder Woman with a kick, or hurt Darkseid. Same deal with Cap punching out Hulk, not even being hurt with that much explosive going off directly on his body, or outrunning a bullet and "seeing faster than it".
Originally posted by KingD19
Cap has a "Jobber Aura". Everybody knows that. His stats are clearly stated to be at a certain level, yet because he's Captain America, he performs above and beyond those set levels all the time. He's to Marvel what Batman is to DC.Like how Batman hurt Wonder Woman with a kick, or hurt Darkseid. Same deal with Cap punching out Hulk, not even being hurt with that much explosive going off directly on his body, or outrunning a bullet and "seeing faster than it".
again with the cap butthurt, his stats are clearly stated? where? wikipedia? i go by his feats and comics stats which clearly show us he is super human, i cant believe how butthurt people are with captain america that they rather ignore comics showings time after time in favor of some bio 20 - 30 years ago thats stupid.
cap unlike batman has consistant showings of going up against top tiers while smoking street levelers and enhanced guys, i agree cap also has some low showings however the complete majority shows cap hanging with those guys while being able to take streets and metas left and right.
batman on the other hand while having some showings of hurting wonder woman or green lantern gets owned or stalemated when going up against street levelrs like himself, gets owned when fighting slightly enhanced guys like bane on venom and deathstroke, and therefor if we take the majority and overall portrayel of batman we will see that he has trouble and belongs to the street levelrs category.
Cap by showings is super human, consistant showings time after time portray him that way so if you choose to ignore 90% of his career in favor of a wikipedia bio the butthurt is strong with you.
Originally posted by red sabre
nop, jobing would be if gambit for some reason forgot that he got powers and would try to trade blows with cap, however in those 2 fights gambit was using his powers and clearly was trying to hurt Cap however cap blocked and took everything gambit had to offer and one shotted him twice.
Originally posted by Estacado
Under jobbing he means stupid writing since that explosion should have ko'd/killed Cap.
Each card explodes with a force of a hand granade...iirc .The size of the suit which got charged was at least 20 times bigger then a card don't tell me that Cap could take the equvalient of atlest 20 hand grande explosions to the face without seriously getting hurt.
those are only your speculations, the writers dissagre with you and i think i will go with the wreiters.
first of all i would like a proof that 1 card = a hand grenade.
second of all your calculstion is flawed, even if lets say a card = a hand grenade it still doesnt mean that a larger area charged by same kinetic force would be 20 times stronger, its the same kinetic explosion only spreaded on a bigger object, 20 grenades however are 20 objects each of them present its own force which multiple its force by the number of grenades, if gambit threw 20 cards perhaps that would be equel to 20 grenades if you manage to prove a card = a granade, however that chest vest doesnt present the force of 20 kineticly charged objects and wont have the same effect, the vest was charged with same kinetic force the card was only thing it the vest is bigger therefor the explosion spreads on bigger area thats all.
the chest area is not = 20 cards you gone too far its the size of 8 cards at best.
and finally as i said before people can cry all they want and say cap should be able to do this and that but facts are he did take all that, he took beating from class 100 characters, took blasts from tony, took explosions before and survived, this is cap and thats how he rolls like it or not talk to the writers.
Originally posted by red sabre
those are only your speculations, the writers dissagre with you and i think i will go with the wreiters.first of all i would like a proof that 1 card = a hand grenade.
second of all your calculstion is flawed, even if lets say a card = a hand grenade it still doesnt mean that a larger area charged by same kinetic force would be 20 times stronger, its the same kinetic explosion only spreaded on a bigger object, 20 grenades however are 20 objects each of them present its own force which multiple its force by the number of grenades, if gambit threw 20 cards perhaps that would be equel to 20 grenades if you manage to prove a card = a granade, however that chest vest doesnt present the force of 20 kineticly charged objects and wont have the same effect, the vest was charged with same kinetic force the card was only thing it the vest is bigger therefor the explosion spreads on bigger area thats all.
the chest area is not = 20 cards you gone too far its the size of 8 cards at best.
and finally as i said before people can cry all they want and say cap should be able to do this and that but facts are he did take all that, he took beating from class 100 characters, took blasts from tony, took explosions before and survived, this is cap and thats how he rolls like it or not talk to the writers.
👇 There is no way Cap should be able to do the things he does and get away with it, 👆 But he is Cap and I am perfectly ok with it 😆
Originally posted by red sabre
nop, jobing would be if gambit for some reason forgot that he got powers and would try to trade blows with cap, however in those 2 fights gambit was using his powers and clearly was trying to hurt Cap however cap blocked and took everything gambit had to offer and one shotted him twice.
The fact Cap took everything Gambit had is why Gambit jobbed.
Cap isn't Luke Cage, even if writers sometimes write him like he is. A street can knock him out, no way he should take Gambits best.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Remy wins. That AVX fight was silly Gambit should've thrown it away and pelted Cap with cards.Cap surviving an explosing that destroys buildings was also insane.
I wrote that wrong.
Remy wins. That AVX fight was silly. Gambit should have thrown Caps shield far away upon catching it in mid air then pelted Cap with cards.
Cap surviving having his costume charged was insane. A charged card has taken out cars, the amount of physical matter that made up Caps costume should've been enough to kill him.
Gambit's feats in his solo run personally put him above Cap.
Remy takes this.
Originally posted by red sabre
and finally as i said before people can cry all they want and say cap should be able to do this and that but facts are he did take all that, he took beating from class 100 characters, took blasts from tony, took explosions before and survived, this is cap and thats how he rolls like it or not talk to the writers.
And this goes against the bulk of his history, where he can't survive class 100 hits and is closer to Batmans overall physical level than Luke Cages.
Accepting it because it happens under multiple writers gives PIS and SvsF no meaning. Spidey has multiple examples of handling characters far outside his weight class too (He took out two class 100's by swinging them into a tree, for example. I believe one of them was Surfer.) Still PIS, multiple examples or no.