Spike Lee Criticises Clint Eastwood And the Coen Brothers.

Originally posted by chithappens
Perhaps I should have said talked about it and hoping people will pay any attention and try to change anything.

The media shits on minorities and poor people. That itself is a fact.

How is that a fact? Is Clint Eastwood THE MEDIA? I work for a news media station and I've never once had a meeting or been told or had a secret alliance with anyone to shit on minorities. I go shoot the news and if it happens to be some black guy who did something, we report it. If it's some white guy, we report it.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
How is that a fact? Is Clint Eastwood THE MEDIA? I work for a news media station and I've never once had a meeting or been told or had a secret alliance with anyone to shit on minorities. I go shoot the news and if it happens to be some black guy who did something, we report it. If it's some white guy, we report it.

I get that you were talking about the film industry in general now that I've read all your other posts since the one I quoted in my last post. You may have a point there.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
How is that a fact? Is Clint Eastwood THE MEDIA? I work for a news media station and I've never once had a meeting or been told or had a secret alliance with anyone to shit on minorities. I go shoot the news and if it happens to be some black guy who did something, we report it. If it's some white guy, we report it.

You haven't gained high enough clearance, yet. Bid your time, you'll eventually be given a secret password and invited to join a super secret media gathering, where old white men in three-piece suits wring their hands together and devise plans to take out the blacks and other minorities. Don't ask me how I know these "facts", I've already spoken to much.

Personally, the BET is the biggest affront to black people, nothing but pure garbage.

I think by "media" he was talking about Klansman Grand Wizard Don Imus, the guy whose show is now banished to the Dingleberry Network.

wait. did black people fight in iwo jima? if so then they should have been represented on screen. imho misrepresentation of history in movies is a sin and thus mel gibson should be eternally skull****ed in hell.

Originally posted by Schecter
wait. did black people fight in iwo jima? if so then they should have been represented on screen. imho misrepresentation of history in movies is a sin and thus mel gibson should be eternally skull****ed in hell.

While I think you're being facetious, I'd like to point out that all Hollywood historical film directors should get their skulls lubed, as their films are jazzed up to sell tickets at the box office.

How many African American soldiers serve in any of the Pacific Campaigns in WWII? Is it significant enough to make it a point to put it in his(Clint Eastwood's) movies and make a point of increasing equality(Or show discrimination...depending on your perspective)?

The African Americans were few and far between in any of the Pacific War campaigns. An accurate portrayal of the movie by following "white" soldiers makes more sense. Why in the hell would he write in a special African American platoon of marines if the film wasn't about covering African American history, rights, etc.? It would be very out of place and seem to be too PC and actually get in the way of the "story" being told. If he would have done that, people may think that he is being a PC appeaser.

I guess its expected to be as PC as possible in anything down or seen by the media, but after a certain point, it becomes abusrd or even insulting.

Originally posted by botankus
While I think you're being facetious, I'd like to point out that all Hollywood historical film directors should get their skulls lubed, as their films are jazzed up to sell tickets at the box office.

well yes i agree. however there is a difference between a film with some trivial fudging and a propaganda piece designed to slander people. take scorsese for example. he took some artistic liberty in gangs of new york but it didnt make his film amount to a hideous lie at someone else's expense.

If he's that pissed about it, I think Spike Lee should re-make "Flags of Our Fathers" with Usher, Flavor Flav, Michael Vick, and Bill Cosby raising the flag. Then, he can proclaim himself as doing the man who finally did the right thing (pun intended).

Originally posted by Robtard
Personally, the BET is the biggest affront to black people, nothing but pure garbage.

Little Spike Lee should grow up and stop trying to make controversy when there is absolutely none

Originally posted by dadudemon
How many African American soldiers serve in any of the Pacific Campaigns in WWII? Is it significant enough to make it a point to put it in his(Clint Eastwood's) movies and make a point of increasing equality(Or show discrimination...depending on your perspective)?

The African Americans were few and far between in any of the Pacific War campaigns. An accurate portrayal of the movie by following "white" soldiers makes more sense. Why in the hell would he write in a special African American platoon of marines if the film wasn't about covering African American history, rights, etc.? It would be very out of place and seem to be too PC and actually get in the way of the "story" being told. If he would have done that, people may think that he is being a PC appeaser.

I guess its expected to be as PC as possible in anything down or seen by the media, but after a certain point, it becomes abusrd or even insulting.

Spike Lee is not saying the film should follow black soldiers as much as white soldiers. He's saying that it is an inaccurate stance to say rhetorically, by not having any black soldiers, that they did not participate in the war at all. It is not important to those who already know the history and have read the background; however, to someone who is ignorant to the particulars of WWII, it is a "this is how it really was" scenario.

Similarly, I think it is insulting that civil rights movement (which black people somehow completely took as simply a "black" thing) documentaries almost always leave out the fact that white people were involved in the movement to support blacks getting equal rights. At the same time, there are many, many people taking action like the Appalachian miners, Native Americans, women rights were beginning to pick up - a lot of things were happening at once and it is lost in the fact these other movements are not discussed AT ALL.

Skewing the psychology of people is not always about lying. Sometimes it is simply omitting things that are relevant.

Originally posted by chithappens
On TV, unless it's drugs, there is no black drama.

Have you seen anything on the WB? From my childhood with Urkle (Erkle?) (whatever) to this writing diarrhea that Tyler Perry has mystifyingly become famous over, I can't think of a single black-centric television show that is stomachable. I could enjoy an episode of the Cosby Show when I was a kid, but I haven't seen it in years and I don't even know if it is played in reruns. So, black drama is not alone. Their situational comedies are pure garbage. And I don't know what Spike Lee's intentions in this are, but I know the man can't write, direct or perform in a single one of his movies to save his life.

Originally posted by Devil King
Have you seen anything on the WB? From my childhood with Urkle (Erkle?) (whatever) to this writing diarrhea that Tyler Perry has mystifyingly become famous over, I can't think of a single black-centric television show that is stomachable. I could enjoy an episode of the Cosby Show when I was a kid, but I haven't seen it in years and I don't even know if it is played in reruns. So, black drama is not alone. Their situational comedies are pure garbage. And I don't know what Spike Lee's intentions in this are, but I know the man can't write, direct or perform in a single one of his movies to save his life.

Yeah that's true about Lee's acting skills.

Tyler Perry is famous because he leeches off the Black Christian Baptist stereotypes (multiple movies and plays where he dresses like an overweight grandmother touting a gun). His sitcom is crap. Sitcoms now are completely 😘 . I seriously can't think of a show I actually expect to tune in for anymore...

The Wire is a great show on HBO that has a mostly black cast. Yeah, it involves police and drug dealers, typical black stuff . . . but the characters are not the Hollywood stamped trademark drug dealers, pimps, etc. The acting is top notch and the stories are based on actual events that happened in Baltimore. Both good guys and bad guys are played by black people, but even the bad guys are shown in the same amount of screen time as the good guys, so you get to know the characters as people, not as good guys and bad guys. Anyway . . .

Spike Lee is a racist and a hack. Spouting bullshit like this is the only way he can get in the news these days.

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
The Wire is a great show on HBO that has a mostly black cast. Yeah, it involves police and drug dealers, typical black stuff . . . but the characters are not the Hollywood stamped trademark drug dealers, pimps, etc. The acting is top notch and the stories are based on actual events that happened in Baltimore. Both good guys and bad guys are played by black people, but even the bad guys are shown in the same amount of screen time as the good guys, so you get to know the characters as people, not as good guys and bad guys. Anyway . . .

Yeah but damn can we have some regular middle class shit also?

The Wire is a well done show, yes, but there needs to be more shown of black people besides drugs, rap, and sports.

Originally posted by chithappens
Yeah but damn can we have some regular middle class shit also?

The Wire is a well done show, yes, but there needs to be more shown of black people besides drugs, rap, and sports.

I agree, and why is there not such a show?

Because this is how black people are to be portrayed by those with enough influence to make things happen.

Obviously, people come up with other ideas all the time, but they don't want to hear it. The reason rap is so diluted now is because they only want one sort of product to be given on a macro level. This crosses over to other forms of media also: Check out the "urban fiction" section in a book store - all sex stories with half dressed men and women on these "rough, tough streets where you gotta hustle to make a livin', naw mean?" Even the regular "African American" fiction is just a bunch of Zane/"woman who can find a man has lots of sex" books that middle school teenagers read are just turned into cliche movies like "How Stella Got Her Groove Back."

I was a co-editor for a minority newsletter on a college campus for the past two semesters and we couldn't say anything worthy of actual conversation. We weren't doing anything that pushed the envelope too far but it was not acceptable to the leaders of the university even though these were matters that were important to both students of the campus and citizens in the city of Knoxville, TN regardless of race.

On a mass scale, those in power seem uncomfortable with discussing stuff that takes a different route than the status quo. As I mentioned before, it is not just a black thing, it's way bigger than that, but I'm trying to give context rather than just rant.

Originally posted by Schecter
well yes i agree. however there is a difference between a film with some trivial fudging and a propaganda piece designed to slander people. take scorsese for example. he took some artistic liberty in gangs of new york but it didnt make his film amount to a hideous lie at someone else's expense.

I'll probably regret this, but as it's about movies and I'm curious:

Where did Mel Gibson film a hideous lie at someone's expense in a historical movie?

Braveheart or Passion of the Christ? Or The Patriot or We Were Soldiers?