Lucifer vs Marvel Universe

Originally posted by leonheartmm
i dont like lucifer cause hes BENEVOLANT, i like him becuse he is written well and is possibly the single most intriguing comic book character ever. mike carey is a genius. also, i like hannibal lecter as a character as many others do as many people like DRACULA as a character, does that mean that they are horrible sadistic indifferent people THEMSELVES??? no its just that cruel or nice, the character is great.

and also, all thanos did was detroy the 616 reality with ONE multiverse. he didnt touch the void, he didnt touch the beyond realm or anything outside that SINGLE multiverse as evidenced by the fact that adam warlock survived. lucifer on the other hand has already taken multiverse shattering explosions and shaped two multiverse 50% and can do it again and again. there is no LOGICAL evidence that thanos can take lucifer. lucifer has proven to be stronger.

How would you explain Thanos unable to detect Adam and Gamora?

Originally posted by llagrok
How would you explain Thanos unable to detect Adam and Gamora?

"supreme" is just a word. often used to falsely give characters power levels that they do not posess. FEATS are measureable. for instance, in the comic book reality of the street fighter universe, the entire megaverse{i.e. comic book reality} is just one universe. sum1 who claims to be SUPREME in sreefighterverse is not on the same power level as someone who is supreme in say, marvel where the megaverse is made of a multiverse a void and other realms.

you cany just make arguments like THANOS WAS SUPREME! hence he wins, that is just silly. he was supreme in HIS reality. his actual FEATS are the destruction of ONE and only ONE multiverse and its recreation as a result. even if he SAID he was supreme, he wasnt since he didnt affect the void and other dimensions seperate from the main 616 universe and the multiverse connected to it{evidences by the fact that adam warlock was not harmed}. he destroyed eternity, infinity and the living tribunal who are all below multiversal level.{even the tribunal is the PROTECTOR of the multiverse and doesnt have the same power at best he CAN have the power of ONE multiverse but he hasnt shown it yet} but not death, nor the viod. he wasnt SUPREME and even if he was, it doesnt matter. this EXPLOSION which destroyed said things, was NO different than the demiurgic explosion which can destroy a multiverse and create a new one.

lucifer took that at point blank. he also created half the multiverse and he had created half before too and he cud do it AGAIN AND AGAIN unlike the single heart of the universe which only hadthe power of ONE multiverse. lucifer also COMBINED three seperate multiverses into one. he could kill death{which unlike the universal death of marvel is an endless which works on atleats a multiversal and evean near megaversal level as it can traverse the single multiverse and go outside}. the beyonder who cudnt survive the destruction of time isnt significant compared to lucifer whpo created the concept of time from scratch.

neither thanos's FEATS or beyonders FEATS are as strong as lucifer's FEATS. and that is why mere words like SUPREME{which are thrown around multiple times and too much in mainstream marvel and dc to begin with} can have any significance in debates when the FEATS contradict them.

lucifer for the win. unless the one above all intervenes. amalgam brothers are not really the property of marvel and i do not know how they willl fare against llucifer as they are pretty inconcistant. and just for the record, yahweh is supreme in vertigo. second only to the artist.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
"supreme" is just a word. often used to falsely give characters power levels that they do not posess. FEATS are measureable. for instance, in the comic book reality of the street fighter universe, the entire megaverse{i.e. comic book reality} is just one universe. sum1 who claims to be SUPREME in sreefighterverse is not on the same power level as someone who is supreme in say, marvel where the megaverse is made of a multiverse a void and other realms.

you cany just make arguments like THANOS WAS SUPREME! hence he wins, that is just silly. he was supreme in HIS reality. his actual FEATS are the destruction of ONE and only ONE multiverse and its recreation as a result. even if he SAID he was supreme, he wasnt since he didnt affect the void and other dimensions seperate from the main 616 universe and the multiverse connected to it{evidences by the fact that adam warlock was not harmed}. he destroyed eternity, infinity and the living tribunal who are all below multiversal level.{even the tribunal is the PROTECTOR of the multiverse and doesnt have the same power at best he CAN have the power of ONE multiverse but he hasnt shown it yet} but not death, nor the viod. he wasnt SUPREME and even if he was, it doesnt matter. this EXPLOSION which destroyed said things, was NO different than the demiurgic explosion which can destroy a multiverse and create a new one.

lucifer took that at point blank. he also created half the multiverse and he had created half before too and he cud do it AGAIN AND AGAIN unlike the single heart of the universe which only hadthe power of ONE multiverse. lucifer also COMBINED three seperate multiverses into one. he could kill death{which unlike the universal death of marvel is an endless which works on atleats a multiversal and evean near megaversal level as it can traverse the single multiverse and go outside}. the beyonder who cudnt survive the destruction of time isnt significant compared to lucifer whpo created the concept of time from scratch.

neither thanos's FEATS or beyonders FEATS are as strong as lucifer's FEATS. and that is why mere words like SUPREME{which are thrown around multiple times and too much in mainstream marvel and dc to begin with} can have any significance in debates when the FEATS contradict them.

lucifer for the win. unless the one above all intervenes. amalgam brothers are not really the property of marvel and i do not know how they willl fare against llucifer as they are pretty inconcistant. and just for the record, yahweh is supreme in vertigo. second only to the artist.

You seem to have a huge liking of Lucifer and it blinds you to other more powerful characters. If you read the end you woul dknow through willpower alone did he survive merging with this awesome power which was equal to the supreme being which governed marvel. He was called upon to fix a cancer that would eradicate all of existence. When he became supreme there was no one who could do a thing to him. The Lt is the judge of the multiverse and he was easily absorbed like nothing with a lot of backup. I have never seen Lucy beat down the combined powers that were against Thanos here. Never.

Again quit confusing the power of Lucy with the power of Michaels. He wasnt as powerful as Mikey and Mikey wasnt as willful as Lucy. Thanos had the willpower and the power of the supreme in this story. He wins easily.

He proved his supremacy and his purpose when he saved all of reality.

Prodigy easily defeated the LT, is he supreme?

sigh, let me break it down for you since you are continuing to fallaciously debate in circles, things which have already been addressed{please dont take it personally cause the last thing we need is another boyfight on comics here}

It was stated on panel that Thanos was supreme and he proved it by easily defeating the Lt and all who opposed him.

This feat trumps any feat done by Lucifer.

He had the will to defy his maker is all. He didnt have the power which was in possession of Michael.

You seem to have a huge liking of Lucifer and it blinds you to other more powerful characters. If you read the end you woul dknow through willpower alone did he survive merging with this awesome power which was equal to the supreme being which governed marvel. He was called upon to fix a cancer that would eradicate all of existence. When he became supreme there was no one who could do a thing to him. The Lt is the judge of the multiverse and he was easily absorbed like nothing with a lot of backup. I have never seen Lucy beat down the combined powers that were against Thanos here. Never.

i read the end when it came out. i also like thanos if you must know. and again, the power of the heart was NOT equal to the supreme being since warlock was left. plus supreme being currently is the writer as explained by reed richards who draws with a pencil. surely youll agree that a writer can do much more thna the HOTU. so no it wasnt SUPREME. also, there was no1 in MARVEL at the time who cud do anything{althoug death was never destroyed}. furthermore, the fact that lucifer was not there is insignificant since it wud be extremely odd if he were in another trademark. THAT can not be taken as evidence that he CUDNT do anything were he there. as i have said, he wudnt even be scrathed as that explosion was identical in ALL aspects to the demiurgic explosion and there exists no observable evidence{outside your oppinion} that it was. they had exactly the same effects. and lucifer has beaten the gianst brother who had yahweh's power and micheal who cud destroy all of creation. he has also threatened the supreme yahweh. so no, he definately wud be able to do a lot against LT, eternity and infinity. neither of those entities holds a candle to lucifer.

Again quit confusing the power of Lucy with the power of Michaels. He wasnt as powerful as Mikey and Mikey wasnt as willful as Lucy. Thanos had the willpower and the power of the supreme in this story. He wins easily.

He proved his supremacy and his purpose when he saved all of reality.

lol, they were both EQUALLY powerful. micheal's demiurgic power was equal to lucifer's lighbringer power. but on top of that lucifer also had infinite will that micheal didnt and in the end he surpassed micheal and yahweh. lucifer killed micheal. also, thanos neither had the power nor the will of the supreme{the writer}, he was merely stronger than one multiverse or equal in strength to it, which made LT etc, WEAKER than him. he proved his supremecy in MARVEL and even there, his supremecy wasnt his OMNIPOTENCE. there is a difference.

Originally posted by llagrok
Prodigy easily defeated the LT, is he supreme?

Thanos was described as supreme more than once.

Mad Jim Jaspers could solo.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
sigh, let me break it down for you since you are continuing to fallaciously debate in circles, things which have already been addressed{please dont take it personally cause the last thing we need is another boyfight on comics here}

and neither means anything as i explained earlier since it was 1. contradicted by facts on panel like warlock surviving 2. there being a difference in power levels between the two realities. LT is not as strong as lucifer, he can only PROTECT{at TIMES} one multiverse.

this is a defiant and repeated lie. 1 multiverse vs multiple multiverses, easy choice. infact the demiurgic explosion was IDENTICAL in effect to the explosion form HOTU.

true, he didnt have the power{although it can be contested that he did if he let his power go amok since elaine single handedly created her reality and lucifer is her equal} that is he cudnt altogether bring about the raw materials to create a multiverse by himself. although he did have infinite will and the power to create time from nothing and to shape the raw creation into anything and to add energy to it and make it suns blaze and to bring all form to it etc etc.

i read the end when it came out. i also like thanos if you must know. and again, the power of the heart was NOT equal to the supreme being since warlock was left. plus supreme being currently is the writer as explained by reed richards who draws with a pencil. surely youll agree that a writer can do much more thna the HOTU. so no it wasnt SUPREME. also, there was no1 in MARVEL at the time who cud do anything{althoug death was never destroyed}. furthermore, the fact that lucifer was not there is insignificant since it wud be extremely odd if he were in another trademark. THAT can not be taken as evidence that he CUDNT do anything were he there. as i have said, he wudnt even be scrathed as that explosion was identical in ALL aspects to the demiurgic explosion and there exists no observable evidence{outside your oppinion} that it was. they had exactly the same effects. and lucifer has beaten the gianst brother who had yahweh's power and micheal who cud destroy all of creation. he has also threatened the supreme yahweh. so no, he definately wud be able to do a lot against LT, eternity and infinity. neither of those entities holds a candle to lucifer.

lol, they were both EQUALLY powerful. micheal's demiurgic power was equal to lucifer's lighbringer power. but on top of that lucifer also had infinite will that micheal didnt and in the end he surpassed micheal and yahweh. lucifer killed micheal. also, thanos neither had the power nor the will of the supreme{the writer}, he was merely stronger than one multiverse or equal in strength to it, which made LT etc, WEAKER than him. he proved his supremecy in MARVEL and even there, his supremecy wasnt his OMNIPOTENCE. there is a difference.

Warlock and Mistress death were left but he overlooked this in his angry absorption frenzy.

Again Lucy wasnt as powerful as Michael but he was smarter and could outwit him. You are claiming Lusy was a lot more powerful than he is. He lacks the battle feats and what not and did a lot of his great feats outsmarting people. Lucy gets absorbed easily.

What is this thread even about? Is this a battle between Lucifer & the Marvel Universe or a debate about if any Marvel character is cooler than Lucifer?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
What is this thread even about? Is this a battle between Lucifer & the Marvel Universe or a debate about if any Marvel character is cooler than Lucifer?

A debate.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Its Protege and no he didnt. Get your facts straight because he didnt do one thing to Lt other than mimic his powers.

Thanos was described as supreme more than once.

Protege, prodigy, tomato, tom-ato.

LT was unable to touch him, he had to call in Scathan. You don't have to be supreme to be too strong for the LT. If Thanos really was Supreme, he wouldn't have failed as hard as he did anyways.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I think mr master schooled you on Lt in the other thread. Lucy isnt as powerful as the Lt. No way no how.

Warlock and Mistress death were left but he overlooked this in his angry absorption frenzy.

Again Lucy wasnt as powerful as Michael but he was smarter and could outwit him. You are claiming Lusy was a lot more powerful than he is. He lacks the battle feats and what not and did a lot of his great feats outsmarting people. Lucy gets absorbed easily.

no he didnt, he posted arguments previously dispelled many many times{which is why he has a grudge against me, not to mention he is a boanfied bitter flamer}. he neither replied to the arguments i posted before, replying more on insults, nor did he reply to the arguments i posetd later.

warlock and death were not overlooked, that is a silly rationalisation with no evidence to back it up. death was death and cudnt be killed, an embodied death, while warlock was outside the single multiverse of marvel and warlock had no power over him. that is the fact.

again and again and again, lucifer is described in the comics as exactly equal to micheal in power. his lightbinger powers are exactly equal to micheal's demiurgic and he proved it by KILLING micheal with them on yygdrassil. his intellect and will is sumthing he has ABOVE micheal. he doesnt lack battle feats, he has killed high gods and angels with reletive ease even without his full power in direct combat. he killed fenris and the child of the basanos. he cud have killed death and she admitted it. he cud have taken revenge on yahweh and he accepted it. he killed the clone of himself created by the two giants and proceeded to kill the two giants who had yahweh's power. he also killed the entire giant race in the norse world and claimed that it was that quality of his to burn which game him his name "morningstar". other entities have said that the stars in creation themselves dim when lucifer strikes with his hand. he also bashed through th mansions of silence which destroyed themselves along with a billiob billion beings in them or sumthing including very powerful demons. besides, he doesnt NEED these feats, the very fact that he can survive multiverse shattering explosions and can create 50% of multiverses multiple times and create concepts like TIME from nothjing is enough to give an extent ofhis power. and also, more times than micheal has been called the strongst angel, lucifer has been referred to as the strongest and most beautiful in creation second only to his creater yahweh.

Originally posted by llagrok
A debate.

Protege, prodigy, tomato, tom-ato.

LT was unable to touch him, he had to call in Scathan. You don't have to be supreme to be too strong for the LT. If Thanos really was Supreme, he wouldn't have failed as hard as he did anyways.

Lt called in Scathan true,but it didnt show Scathans superiority over Lt but it showed his superiority over protege. Thanos showed his superiority over Lt and the rest of the abstracts defeating them easily. He was called supreme and he proved it through the most impressive battle feats I have ever seen. If you have seen better feel free to show me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm well its spelled Protege not prodigy. I dont call Superman,souperman now do I?

Lt called in Scathan true,but it didnt show Scathans superiority over Lt but it showed his superiority over protege. Thanos showed his superiority over Lt and the rest of the abstracts defeating them easily. He was called supreme and he proved it through the most impressive battle feats I have ever seen. If you have seen better feel free to show me.

:/

You claim that Protege was equal to LT, and that Scathan defeated him. Yet you also claim that this does not prove that Scathan is superior to LT.......

Clearly, being superior to the LT does not testament to you being supreme. Not to mention the fact that Thanos was doing a bang up job with his powers, the entire 616 reality was falling apart. Thanos was clearly not omniscient, nor was he omnipresent, far from a supreme being.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
no he didnt, he posted arguments previously dispelled many many times{which is why he has a grudge against me, not to mention he is a boanfied bitter flamer}. he neither replied to the arguments i posted before, replying more on insults, nor did he reply to the arguments i posetd later.

warlock and death were not overlooked, that is a silly rationalisation with no evidence to back it up. death was death and cudnt be killed, an embodied death, while warlock was outside the single multiverse of marvel and warlock had no power over him. that is the fact.

again and again and again, lucifer is described in the comics as exactly equal to micheal in power. his lightbinger powers are exactly equal to micheal's demiurgic and he proved it by KILLING micheal with them on yygdrassil. his intellect and will is sumthing he has ABOVE micheal. he doesnt lack battle feats, he has killed high gods and angels with reletive ease even without his full power in direct combat. he killed fenris and the child of the basanos. he cud have killed death and she admitted it. he cud have taken revenge on yahweh and he accepted it. he killed the clone of himself created by the two giants and proceeded to kill the two giants who had yahweh's power. he also killed the entire giant race in the norse world and claimed that it was that quality of his to burn which game him his name "morningstar". other entities have said that the stars in creation themselves dim when lucifer strikes with his hand. he also bashed through th mansions of silence which destroyed themselves along with a billiob billion beings in them or sumthing including very powerful demons. besides, he doesnt NEED these feats, the very fact that he can survive multiverse shattering explosions and can create 50% of multiverses multiple times and create concepts like TIME from nothjing is enough to give an extent ofhis power. and also, more times than micheal has been called the strongst angel, lucifer has been referred to as the strongest and most beautiful in creation second only to his creater yahweh.

Yay, let's ignore the context regarding the Michael/Lucifer fight.

Originally posted by llagrok
Yay, let's ignore the context regarding the Michael/Lucifer fight.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Why the hell not we ignore the context behind alot of feats to try and prove our points 😕

You might 🙂

Originally posted by llagrok
You might 🙂