Originally posted by leonheartmm
no he didnt, he posted arguments previously dispelled many many times{which is why he has a grudge against me, not to mention he is a boanfied bitter flamer}. he neither replied to the arguments i posted before, replying more on insults, nor did he reply to the arguments i posetd later.warlock and death were not overlooked, that is a silly rationalisation with no evidence to back it up. death was death and cudnt be killed, an embodied death, while warlock was outside the single multiverse of marvel and warlock had no power over him. that is the fact.
again and again and again, lucifer is described in the comics as exactly equal to micheal in power. his lightbinger powers are exactly equal to micheal's demiurgic and he proved it by KILLING micheal with them on yygdrassil. his intellect and will is sumthing he has ABOVE micheal. he doesnt lack battle feats, he has killed high gods and angels with reletive ease even without his full power in direct combat. he killed fenris and the child of the basanos. he cud have killed death and she admitted it. he cud have taken revenge on yahweh and he accepted it. he killed the clone of himself created by the two giants and proceeded to kill the two giants who had yahweh's power. he also killed the entire giant race in the norse world and claimed that it was that quality of his to burn which game him his name "morningstar". other entities have said that the stars in creation themselves dim when lucifer strikes with his hand. he also bashed through th mansions of silence which destroyed themselves along with a billiob billion beings in them or sumthing including very powerful demons. besides, he doesnt NEED these feats, the very fact that he can survive multiverse shattering explosions and can create 50% of multiverses multiple times and create concepts like TIME from nothjing is enough to give an extent ofhis power. and also, more times than micheal has been called the strongst angel, lucifer has been referred to as the strongest and most beautiful in creation second only to his creater yahweh.
Originally posted by llagrokProtege mimicked his powers. But that doesnt mean he was equal to wielding them. 😬
:/You claim that Protege was equal to LT, and that Scathan defeated him. Yet you also claim that this does not prove that Scathan is superior to LT.......
Clearly, being superior to the LT does not testament to you being supreme. Not to mention the fact that Thanos was doing a bang up job with his powers, the entire 616 reality was falling apart. Thanos was clearly not omniscient, nor was he omnipresent, far from a supreme being.
Scathan didnt do one thing to show his superiority over Lt while Thanos did that and then some. 😉
Originally posted by quanchi112
Protege mimicked his powers. But that doesnt mean he was equal to wielding them. 😬Scathan didnt do one thing to show his superiority over Lt while Thanos did that and then some. 😉
If Protege was inferior, then LT would've been able to stop him.... That much is obvious 😐
Originally posted by leonheartmm
everything written there is fact taken directly from the series. seems like you cant handle lucifer being micheal's equal and superior in most cases.
oddly enough, all those statements are qualitative descriptiions of events. not quantitative ones on interpretive ones, which cud be messed with to EXXAGERATE the magnitude of the feat. hence YOU are the one lying since i CANT exxagerate in such statemennts. they are simply direct references to events in the comic. lucifer killed micheal/lucifer threatened god/lucifer stood a multiverse shattering explosion/ lucifer created time/lucifer killed the child of the basanos/lucifer killed every giant in the norse world/lucifer destroyed the mansions of silence by his mere presence and with it a billion billion supernatural beings/lucifer killed fenris/all the stars in creation dim as lucifer strikes/lucifer killed two gianst with yahweh's power and a clone of himself/lucifer has been referred to as second only to yahweh on many occasions and been referred to as yahweh's strongest creation more times than micheal has/luicfer has never been said to be weaker than micheal/lucifer has beend said to be micheal's equal on numerous times, etc etc. none of these are exxagerations and are infact direct references mentioned in the comic.
Originally posted by llagrokEvery kryptonian has the same powerset but would you credit Supergirl with all of Supermans feats because they are both knians. Dont you know experience also plays a huge part in using your powers. Do you think a rookie superhero gets better or worse with handling and using their powers?
It's not ABC logic when he has the exact same powerset 😐
Remember the ig and the fact the wanted to get to Nebula before she got to used to godhood so as to increase their chances of beating her. This all makes perfect sense.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Every kryptonian has the same powerset but would you credit Supergirl with all of Supermans feats because they are both knians. Dont you know experience also plays a huge part in using your powers. Do you think a rookie superhero gets better or worse with handling and using their powers?Remember the ig and the fact the wanted to get to Nebula before she got to used to godhood so as to increase their chances of beating her. This all makes perfect sense.
That's different, Superman is actually stronger and has absorbed more solar energy. It has almost nothing to do with experience.
Nebula would most certainly have lost against Thanos if both had an infinity gauntlet each, in that case experience is a determining factor.
With protege and LT however, it was different. Apparently the LT was unable to stop him and had to call upon Scathan. You talk like Protege was weaker than LT, but based on what would you say that? Apparently it didn't matter how long protege had been in possession of the powers because he became the LTs equal INSTANTLY.
WHY didn't the LT stop him?
Originally posted by llagrokSo Superman is only as powerful as he is today because of the solar energy he has absorbed? 😐
That's different, Superman is actually stronger and has absorbed more solar energy. It has almost nothing to do with experience.Nebula would most certainly have lost against Thanos if both had an infinity gauntlet each, in that case experience is a determining factor.
With protege and LT however, it was different. Apparently the LT was unable to stop him and had to call upon Scathan. You talk like Protege was weaker than LT, but based on what would you say that? Apparently it didn't matter how long protege had been in possession of the powers because he became the LTs equal INSTANTLY.
WHY didn't the LT stop him?
I guess experience with your powers accounts for nothing. Look at the new Ion for example. He is getting better and better same with most good green lanterns.
Why are you comparing Nebula to Thanos. Your comparisons dont make any sense. The opposing force had to strike quickly to stop her because they had to strike before she got to used to her powers. It has nothing to do with comparing Nebula to Thanos. Its obvious that it takes sometime to adjust to godhood. 😉
When did the Lt attempt to stop him. Scathan was there and it makes sense he was there to aid the Lt but nowhere on panel is it made clear that the Lt was powerless to stop him. I dont think that hourglass would have worked on the Lt but it worked on a kid adjusting to godhood.
Originally posted by leonheartmm
1. again and again and again, lucifer is described in the comics as exactly equal to micheal in power.2. his lightbinger powers are exactly equal to micheal's demiurgic and he proved it by KILLING micheal with them on yygdrassil.
3. his intellect and will is sumthing he has ABOVE micheal.
4. he doesnt lack battle feats, he has killed high gods and angels with reletive ease even without his full power in direct combat.
5. he killed fenris and the child of the basanos.
6. he cud have killed death and she admitted it.
7. he cud have taken revenge on yahweh and he accepted it.
8. he killed the clone of himself created by the two giants and proceeded to kill the two giants who had yahweh's power.
9. he also killed the entire giant race in the norse world and claimed that it was that quality of his to burn which game him his name "morningstar". other entities have said that the stars in creation themselves dim when lucifer strikes with his hand.
10. he also bashed through th mansions of silence which destroyed themselves along with a billiob billion beings in them or sumthing including very powerful demons.
11. besides, he doesnt NEED these feats,
12. the very fact that he can survive multiverse shattering explosions and can create 50% of multiverses multiple times and create concepts like TIME from nothjing is enough to give an extent ofhis power.
13. and also, more times than micheal has been called the strongst angel, lucifer has been referred to as the strongest and most beautiful in creation second only to his creater yahweh.
1. Wrong. In the series Michael is described as second only to God, hence the name Demiurgos.
2. Wrong. Michael's power can destroy all of creation.
Lucifer couldn't even out-power the veillety.
Lucifer can't even beat Gabriel and he's fighting him like a peasant for f*cks sake.
3. Intellect? Sure. Will? Who gives a crap? I already provided a scan showing how pathetic his willpower is when tested against a mighty power.
4. He can't even take on Gabriel, much less the entire force of heaven.
Michael could have ended the war with a gesture.
5. He killed Fenris, sure, but killed the child of the Basanos? WTF are you talking about? Now you're just straight up lying and making up stories. Elaine took away the powers of the Basanos child and then impregnated Jill with the infant. Lucifer had nothing to do with the child.
6. More lies and stories. Show a scan where it says he can kill Death? You're not going to find one. Oh, and if it wasn't for Michael, Lucifer would have remained dead and the series would have immediately ended.
7. This is truly a comedic spam statement. Lucifer take revenge on Yahweh? *chuckles*. You should be banned for that statement.
8. Wrong. Mazikeen stabbing the sword through the woman allowed Lucifer to kill the Titans before they were omnipotent. Lucifer was pathetically dying from the clone at the time and if Mazikeen never acted, Lucifer would have perished once again.
9. What in the hell are you talking about now? Not impressive anyways.
10. Oh, he bashed through it now did he? I guess you conveniently overlooked the fact that if Lucifer sets foot there the place would shatter due to the laws Yahweh imposed on that particular place. That's why he sent a crew to accomplish his goal in the first place.
11. An outlandish fanboy statement, which is why nobody takes you seriously.
12. Why don't you just take Mike Carey's position as the author of Lucifer seeing how enjoy completely making up what happened in the series?
13. Never in the Lucifer series has Lucifer been referred to as the second most powerful only to Yahweh. And I find it hilarious how you brought beauty into the discussion because it just further proves your obsessive and irrational fetish over this character, which completely blinds you from objectively debating any topic involving him.
