Originally posted by RobtardNo, but I still don't think she should quit. Obama hasn't won yet. It doesn't make sense to quit so close to the end when no one has crossed the finish line yet. And calling it quits would essentially disenfranchise PR, MT and SD.
Do you honestly think she can turns things around now?
...not really if they are ineffectual in the outcome. in fact not at all.
the dnc will decide this weekend whether or not to let clinton get her way and seat the delagates, when in michigan obama won nearly 40% of the votes. of course they wont be counted since his name wasnt on the ballot and everyone voted "undecided". is this fair?
Originally posted by Strangelove
No, but I still don't think she should quit. Obama hasn't won yet. It doesn't make sense to quit so close to the end when no one has crossed the finish line yet. And calling it quits would essentially disenfranchise PR, MT and SD.
Obama is essentially at the finish line, so unless something catastrophic happens, she isn't winning. Why delay the inevitable? PR, MT and SD would recover, fear not.
Originally posted by Schecterit's kind of stupid that Obama took his name off the ballot when he had no real reason to.
do you think its fair that the michigan votes are counted as clinton- all and obama-nothing?
Originally posted by lord xyzWell, I've explained myself several times, so I don't feel the need to do it again.
Seriously though, why do you support Hillary?
Plus, from what I've read, you make rather arbitrary arguments against her.
Originally posted by StrangeloveSo rather than explain it to me conveniently, you refer me to...nothing.
it's kind of stupid that Obama took his name off the ballot when he had no real reason to. Well, I've explained myself several times, so I don't feel the need to do it again.Plus, from what I've read, you make rather arbitrary arguments against her.
Interesting.
Originally posted by Strangelove
it's kind of stupid that Obama took his name off the ballot when he had no real reason to. Well, I've explained myself several times, so I don't feel the need to do it again.
the election was forfeit as announced by the dnc, while the state held them anyway. imho it was extremely dishonerable of clinton and kucinich to stay on the ballot. by we digress, and you havent answered the question
Originally posted by SchecterWhy did he take his name off the Michigan ballot and not Florida if it was so "dishonorable"? Seems like a double standard.
the election was forfeit as announced by the dnc, while the state held them anyway. imho it was extremely dishonerable of clinton and kucinich to stay on the ballot. by we digress, and you havent answered the question
I know I didn't answer your question, I rejected its premise.
Originally posted by Strangelove
Why did he take his name off the Michigan ballot and not Florida if it was so "dishonorable"? Seems like a double standard.I know I didn't answer your question, I rejected its premise.
its premise is reality. its premise is how clinton wishes it. she wants michigan to count as obama NOTHING and clinton ALL. i asked you if this is fair. it is not a fallacious question, so please do me the courtesy.
Originally posted by SchecterDo I think it's fair? No, it wouldn't be. The fairest way would be to hold a new primary.
its premise is reality. its premise is how clinton wishes it. she wants michigan to count as obama NOTHING and clinton ALL. i asked you if this is fair. it is not a fallacious question, so please do me the courtesy.
And you still didn't answer my question.
if she had pressed for just that i would have respected such a request and supported it. but she didnt. she's been simply saying "let the votes count" and now its too late. she won florida. although the vote was forfeit before primary day and many people just stayed home and said "**** it", obama's name was on the ballot. its the fact that she wants michigan which forces me to conclude that she is incredible hypocritical about this "stealing the election" rhetoric.
:edit: and just to be clear i fell strongly that they should have redone the primaries for both states...MONTHS ago