Just to be clear, Hillary herself is saying nothing about "stealing" anything. That's all Bill.
And actually, the Clinton campaign fully supported re-votes in both states, it was the Obama campaign that was reluctant to cooperate, as well as suggesting bullshit options like splitting the delegates 50-50.
Originally posted by Strangelove
Just to be clear, Hillary herself is saying nothing about "stealing" anything. That's all Bill.And actually, the Clinton campaign fully supported re-votes in both states, it was the Obama campaign that was reluctant to cooperate, as well as suggesting bullshit options like splitting the delegates 50-50.
i never heard that obama refused to cooperate. could you provide a link to substantiate this?
Originally posted by lord xyz
Also, before the Michigan primary, there was rumour that Hillary stole votes in NH -- that Obama actually won it.
did you read it in a chain email? i read one that said obama is a secret al qaeda operative. please leave rumors out of the topic.
Originally posted by Schecterhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15donate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
i never heard that obama refused to cooperate. could you provide a link to substantiate this?did you read it in a chain email? i read one that said obama is a secret al qaeda operative. please leave rumors out of the topic.
As for the latest Michigan proposal, aides to Mrs. Clinton signaled they were likely to go along with the plan, but the Obama campaign was more skeptical, according to people involved in the process.
The person said that Michigan Republicans, who control the State Senate, said they would not stand in the way. But Democrats, who control the state House of Representatives, are divided between Clinton supporters and Obama supporters. “The Clinton people say they’re not going to block it,†the source said. “The question is what the Obama people are going to do.â€
Mr. Obama has consistently rejected seating any delegates based on the January votes in Michigan or Florida, which he said were unfair because neither candidate was allowed to campaign there. In Michigan, while Mrs. Clinton’s name was on the primary ballot, many Obama supporters voted for “uncommitted,” a line that got 40 percent of the vote to Mrs. Clinton’s 55 percent.
seems fair to me
As for the latest Michigan proposal, aides to Mrs. Clinton signaled they were likely to go along with the plan, but the Obama campaign was more skeptical, according to people involved in the process.
too vague. maybe he was obstructive, maybe not. its just too vague and in a he-said she-said vein. plus this quote from the article:
“We have to do something,” said State Senator Tupac A. Hunter, a co-chairman of the Obama Michigan campaign, “but I don’t know if this is even legal.”
adds weight to the question of whether obama was thinking in a prudent manner or deliberate/obstructive one. there's alot more to such a process than "should we or shouldnt we do it". its possible that he wasnt going to be given any time to campaign. far more to the issue than "go or no-go?"
A Clinton spokesman, Mo Elleithee, said of the Michigan proposal: “Nearly 600,000 Americans participated in the Michigan primary in January, and we have a solemn obligation to ensure that their voices are heard. The best way to make that happen is to honor their votes, but if that isn’t possible there should be a new state primary that doesn’t leave taxpayers footing the bill.
notice the order of priority/urgency?
Originally posted by SchecterYou keep forgetting the part where that's not true. 40% of the delegates are uncommitted. That means they can vote for anyone. And if they wouldn't vote for Clinton, guess who they would vote for....shocker.
dont forget michigan. magical michigan where EVERY delegate goes to clinton.
Originally posted by Strangelove
You keep forgetting the part where that's not true. 40% of the delegates are uncommitted. That means they can vote for anyone. And if they wouldn't vote for Clinton, guess who they would vote for....shocker.
how does this level the playing field? so clinton starts with 50% from a forfeit election. also, since the delegation would not have to vote for obama given the uncommitted status and no further election, who says they would vote for obama?