Originally posted by Adam_PoE
He does not appeal to the lowest common denominator, but he no less approaches voters as if they are idiots than does any other politician. One need look no further than his most ardent and over-zealous supporters who cannot address how he will solve their problems, yet are being lead around by the nose by waning rhetoric.If elections were determined by popular vote, this would be relevant.
Well, it's unfortunate you think so little of my position. But, there is no doubt you've been paying attention to what Mrs. Clinton says, and how she says it. It's often that she attacks the person over the position. I guess I strike you as someone who is easily led around by the nose. I'm not saying he appeals to the lowest common denominator, I'm saying she tries to. And never once did I say you were the lowest common denominator. And I can also see the possible clouds on the horizon. I have no doubt that anything positive accomplished by a possible Obama administration where Mrs. Clinton serves as the VP will be attributed to her.
As for the popular vote, I seem to recall her standing on the steps of capitol hill after the 2000 election, promising to lead the fight to do away with the electoral college. I also see it is still in effect
Originally posted by Devil KingThe Electoral College was established by the Constitution, which is notoriously hard to amend.
As for the popular vote, I seem to recall her standing on the steps of capitol hill after the 2000 election, promising to lead the fight to do away with the electoral college. I also see it is still in effect
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=young+hillary+clinton#
Looks like Hillary hasn't changed much over the years.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/30/clinton.case/index.html
The chief lawyer for Sen. Hillary Clinton campaign said the Democratic National Committee's Rules and Bylaws panel is compelled to seat both delegations from Florida and Michigan fully and not award Sen. Barack Obama any delegates from Michigan.
so under pressure from the dnc to follow the rules, obama, edwards, richardson, and biden all removed their names from the ballot. clinton defies the rules and puts her name on, virtually unchallenged except for kucinich (lol). so now she wants to be rewarded for it while obama is punished for following the rules. this is hillary clinton at her finest.
now its clear that she indeed seeks to steal the election while accusing a candidate who followed the rules of stealing the election.
naaa scratch all that. i'm just another sexist.
Originally posted by Schecter
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/30/clinton.case/index.htmlso under pressure from the dnc to follow the rules, obama, edwards, richardson, and biden all removed their names from the ballot. clinton defies the rules and puts her name on, virtually unchallenged except for kucinich (lol). so now she wants to be rewarded for it while obama is punished for following the rules. this is hillary clinton at her finest.
now its clear that she indeed seeks to steal the election while accusing a candidate who followed the rules of stealing the election.
naaa scratch all that. i'm just another sexist.
Welcome to the real world.
yes thats teriffic, but could you please save your idiotic and useless comments for another topic? thanks a bunch.
the rnc committee reconvenes at 4:15. its been pretty civil considering the ridiculous demands and backwards logic being presented by clinton supporters.
i love the logic that if clinton isnt awarded every michigan delegate, then its disenfrachisement of voters. i guess the only voters worth considering are those who voted for her.
the great turds of logic that perpetuates their claim:
1-since its conceivable that a minority of uncommitted voters would not have supported obama (quite fair enough), then it should be assumed that everyone who voted 'uncommitted' supported clinton and she should recieve every delegate.
2-its also conceivable that all voters who didnt show up at the polls because of the michigan forfeit would have voted for clinton anyway.
3-obama was at fault for obeying the rules of the dnc and withdrawing his name from the ballot. those who break the rules should be rewarded and those who comply must be penalized.
this is not strawman. they are actually trying to sell this crap in washington today.
god i hope they end this bullshit charade by tomorrow morning. its clear that (i hope) the rules and bylaws committe wont cave in to her ridiculous demand, so get ready for epic clinton butthurt.
Originally posted by lord xyz
Obama supporter saying why he won't vote for Hillary in the general election.Don't worry, he won't vote McCain either.
now michigan also will have the full delegation counted at half-votes. obama will have a percentage of delegates. some hillary supporters chanted and screamed, disrupting the democratic process at every turn. go vote for mccain assholes. (not directedat all hillary fans, just the ones who Cant Understand Normal Thinking and wouldnt mind to see a travesty and mockery of democracy just to see clinton win