Originally posted by Devil King
But, it was a very good post inimalist.As for the NCL issue, that little oil secret has been going on for a very long time. People who have been raised in a world that thinks public transport is limited to larger metropolitan areas are less likely to cry out for an over haul in the way things are done.
I take public transit every day to work
It wasn't until you mentioned it that I even thought "Where the hell is the discussion of public transit in all this global warming mess?"
and now I know...
Originally posted by inimalist
right now? lots. We will run out of easily accessible oil soon (natural gas is already approaching this, where we are over the "hump" in peak production and spending increasing amounts just to maintain a production plateau). We have enough for our own domestic supply probably until the early 30s, though it might take some form of nationalization to prevent it from all being exported south.After that we have as much gas as any major middle east producer (actually, it gives us reserves second only to Saudi Arabia in the world), it is just all tied up in the Alberta tar sands. Basically it is low quality oil that is bound to shale. The big problem with it is this: In Saudi Arabia during the 50s, when it was the "oil rush", you could drill a well and get about 100 barrels per 1 barrel of expense. In oil sands, for that same barrel of production costs, you are only getting about 2 barrels back. So, we have lots of oil, although to get it will cost massive hydrocarbon pollution.
references:
http://globalpublicmedia.com/interviews/823
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Oil_Sands#Estimated_oil_reservesIts not just Americans. Up here it almost exactly the same with global warming, though I think it is just a natural human trait to not worry or act until something is very apparent and effects your day to day life. As per global warming, the idea that the only reason to reduce pollution or to cut back on gas is to prevent global warming, I find to be idiotic.
But ya, to agree with you more, its the whole "Don't sacrifice, keep shopping, buy that Canyonero [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoPon3xuCjE]" thing. Can you imagine during WW1 or 2 people being told not to sacrifice for the war effort? How important can this "war on terror" be if it isn't important enough for me to stop eating overpriced and under nutriated mcDonald's 6 days a week. (that actually isn't my diet... just an example)
Really? not the middle east part, but I though america produced at least 30% domestically... what about Mexico? I really just don't know, although the last I heard was we send 2 000 000 barrels a day to the US
EDIT: lol, did my own research
9.5% from Canada
9.0% from Mexico
8.4% from Saudi Arabia
7.2% from Venezuala
6.1% from Nigeriahttp://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=18&article_id=3434
and it does look like the vast majority is US domestic production
Sigh, so much I would like to say, but not much time.
I'm glad you actually posted some links for all these oil claims because I was sick of all these people on KMC saying this and that about oil without giving us some damn proof:
"Iraq has all the oil!" - them
"Where's the link?" - me
"Shut up you terrorist!" - them
So yeah, it's appreciated. Again, I have to beg the question of WHY prices inflated in the first place. OPEC does export a good amount of oil but I don't see a valid reason for them rising prices due to risk in the Middle Eastern region (which I've heard plenty of times) or these risk causing them to export less oil. Even scholarly journals do a poor job of "getting right to the point" and instead do a bunch of poor, inconclusive rhetoric that points back to the Iraq war. Yes, an effect is expected, but for me to be paying $3.75 for a gallon in 2008 when a gallon was $1.10 pre-Sept 2001 is insulting.
If I get a chance (and can get this scanner to condense the file so I can upload through this dial up), I want to post a picture of this WWI advertisement I came across talking about German propaganda and how the enemy is in our mist so be careful about what you say, etc.
Originally posted by chithappens
If I get a chance (and can get this scanner to condense the file so I can upload through this dial up), I want to post a picture of this WWI advertisement I came across talking about German propaganda and how the enemy is in our mist so be careful about what you say, etc.
damn...
it is so easy to silence rational discourse with fear. We are too emotional of beasts.
I hope you get a chance to put that up
Originally posted by chithappens
I'm sorry for the poor quality (can't upload anything too big) but if you save the file onto your PC and then zoom in, it should be readable.
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeird
http://www.bible-researcher.com/dresden/cpi.html
gives some strange historical perspective...
Originally posted by chithappens
This current exploit of "terrorist" fears is the exact same thing.People don't read. It's so damn sad
i hear you. Makes me wonder if people on "our" side might also be making too much of this. If this is just what happens when people are at war, not that I am trying to excuse it, possibly things will improve afterwards. Or rather, maybe that sense of impending doom because of how corrupt the administration is NOW is really just our generation's first experience with how corrupt all administrations have always been.
Sort of like something that struck me about the Iraq war. Theoretically, America has been removing leaders and installing puppet governments all around the world for decades if not over a century. They have secretly, using covert ops and what have you, secured resources and nationally strategic locations with force and other evil tactics for just as long. Iraq, in many ways, is this process only made visible. A more savvy president could have made the ousting of Saddam the same as the installation of Pinochet, securing the same oil and security goals as Bush did with overt force...
From that point of view, Iraq is a more open and even democratic way of the American government acting out its foreign policy...
Originally posted by inimalist
i hear you. Makes me wonder if people on "our" side might also be making too much of this. If this is just what happens when people are at war, not that I am trying to excuse it, possibly things will improve afterwards. Or rather, maybe that sense of impending doom because of how corrupt the administration is NOW is really just our generation's first experience with how corrupt all administrations have always been.Sort of like something that struck me about the Iraq war. Theoretically, America has been removing leaders and installing puppet governments all around the world for decades if not over a century. They have secretly, using covert ops and what have you, secured resources and nationally strategic locations with force and other evil tactics for just as long. Iraq, in many ways, is this process only made visible. A more savvy president could have made the ousting of Saddam the same as the installation of Pinochet, securing the same oil and security goals as Bush did with overt force...
From that point of view, Iraq is a more open and even democratic way of the American government acting out its foreign policy...
What is even more unnerving is that this sort of discourse is taboo in public venues. You can not question what the government is doing or else...
Western democracies have been doing this sort of thing since at least the mid-19th century with colonization of Africa, to the "open door notes" with China (which includes opium wars and "free trade" by force!), then there's the "big stick policy" by T.Roosevelt and this was followed by Wilson:
"Under Wilson, the United States intervened in Latin America more often than at any other time in our history. We landed troops in Mexico in 1914, Haiti in 1915, the Dominican Republic in 1916, Mexico again in 1916 (and nine times more before the end of Wilson's presidency), Cuba in 1917, and Panama in 1918. Throughout his adminsistration Wilson maintained forces in Nicaragua, using them to determine Nicaragua's president and to force passge of a treaty preferential to the United States."- From "Lies My Teacher Told ME" by James Lowen
Also Wilson deployed troops to help the "white" side of the Russian civil war.
The U.S. has been doing this for a very, very long time. It's odd how low key this stuff is. No telling what they are doing that we don't know about.