Originally posted by quanchi112
They werent even fighting him as I said which is much different that trying to restrain him.
Powergirl had him in a chokehold, Alan Scott had him in chains, Jay appeared to be hitting him, Sar man was using his gravity powers to increase his weight one hundred fold, and hawk man was about to hit him with his mace before kc superman destroyed it with heat vision. He then flew off like they were nothing. That is being owned.
Originally posted by AllanklesWW Hulk is the strongest guy here. WW Hulk cant be easily taken off the planet. Supes didnt take Dos doomsday easily off the planet at all and he had a crapload of help.
Team 2 wins this after taking out WWH quickly off planet. Beating Thor and ganging up on Thanos after WW and Orion have held him off long enough.Team 1 wins ONLY if Team 2 fail to use their speed advantage and strength advantages of the Supermen and WW (speed advantage). Fail to use versatile magical items like Lasso's. Fail to use powerful inter dimensional power sources like the Astro force. Fail to use tech like the MB (New God tech which is second only to guardian tech).
Thanos imprisons Supes in an energy field immediately.
Team 1 wins.
Originally posted by zeel
Superman has a horrible track record against magic users. Provided thanos imprisons kc supes right away team 2 has no chance. The kryptonians over the years have lost fights due to magical weaknesses, and some of the fights they have lost were to physically inferior foes. Thanos and thor have a better track record against all types of characters especially thanos.
I don't know why people still mention Superman's magic "weakness". He doesn't have an immunity to pure magic (but neither does WWH, Gladiator, SS, Henshaw etc)
He doesn't have an immunity to pure magic because he's not a magical creature, it bypasses his bio aura but he still has his durability.
Secondly, there's a difference between pure magic e.g Mxyzptlk 5th dimension magic, and Thor's lightning and matter manipulation. The difference is that Thor and Mjolnir produce pure lightning that's generated through magic, it's not pure magic by itself and Superman bio aura is not bypassed.
A good example is Supes fights with Cpt. Marvel where he is able to take Marvel's magical lightning attacks because they are basically energy attacks generated through magic, not pure magic by themselves.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk is the strongest guy here. WW Hulk cant be easily taken off the planet. Supes didnt take Dos doomsday easily off the planet at all and he had a crapload of help.Thanos imprisons Supes in an energy field immediately.
Team 1 wins.
But we're not talking about DOS Superman here, he's gotten much stronger in the 10+ years since.
Originally posted by AllanklesSupes can still be ko'd by the hammer.
I don't know why people still mention Superman's magic "weakness". He doesn't have an immunity to pure magic (but neither does WWH, Gladiator, SS, Henshaw etc)He doesn't have an immunity to pure magic because he's not a magical creature, it bypasses his bio aura but he still has his durability.
Secondly, there's a difference between pure magic e.g Mxyzptlk 5th dimension magic, and Thor's lightning and matter manipulation. The difference is that Thor and Mjolnir produce pure lightning that's generated through magic, it's not pure magic by itself and Superman bio aura is not bypassed.
A good example is Supes fights with Cpt. Marvel where he is able to take Marvel's magical lightning attacks because they are basically energy attacks generated through magic, not pure magic by themselves.
No one on team 2 imo can ko Thanos. Odin couldnt do it. Thanos domiantes top tiers and thats all that is on team 2.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes can still be ko'd by the hammer.No one on team 2 imo can ko Thanos. Odin couldnt do it. Thanos domiantes top tiers and thats all that is on team 2.
Yeah! But we're talking potential here (based on feats and power set) and if team 2 get 3 vs 1 or 4 vs 1 on Thanos they have the potential to Ko him.
Originally posted by AllanklesWW Hulk and Thor take someone out even if they go down. To assume they get beat this quickly is ignorant if you ask me. No one can put Thanos down here.
Yeah! But we're talking potential here (based on feats and power set) and if team 2 get 3 vs 1 or 4 vs 1 on Thanos they have the potential to Ko him.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WW Hulk and Thor take someone out even if they go down. To assume they get beat this quickly is ignorant if you ask me. No one can put Thanos down here.
WWH can get beat quick. He has nothing to offset a potentially quick BFR. Thor will put a good fight but it's more likely he gets beat by one of the Supes, especially if it's KC Supes. Orion with the MB and Astro force along with WW running interference with her speed and lasso can holf of the Mad Titan long enough for one of the Supes to get in the fight and beat Thanos. Team 1 has a speed disadvantage and with WWH (a huge liability)
Originally posted by fangirl101
There aren't many beings below skyfather who can out right beat him without some kind of plot or exploiting his weaknesses. Just out powering him isn't going to work for ANY herald lvl being.
Really? There are quite a few herald level characters who have far more powers and are just as durable. IF by outpower him you mean physically beat him, the same can be said for the hulk. However if you are talking about overall power output the likes of silver surfer, green lantern and thor quickly come to mind
Originally posted by Marvelknight
Thanos would've been better off with someone else on his team. Thor and WWH won't do. WW has the combat skills and versatility to take on Thor. Orion is a another great fighter with versatility via his weaponry. Regular Supes could take WWH. And with KC Supes, it is almost overkill.
WW does NOT have evn close to thor versatility( Not evn close). Superstrength, flight speed, an unbreakable lasso and bracelets and blunt force durability? Really she is so far away from him in that department its not funny. She also does not have the actual combat speed to partially evn it out. She will be kept busy by WWH. Thor would go after orion and thanos takes out both supermen. If WWH still hasnt finished by then he would be assisted by thanos afterwhich they could help thor if he evn needs it
Originally posted by AllanklesWW Hulk wont be beaten quickly as Superman brawls with brawlers. Top say he is easily bfr'd in this manner is ignorant imo.
WWH can get beat quick. He has nothing to offset a potentially quick BFR. Thor will put a good fight but it's more likely he gets beat by one of the Supes, especially if it's KC Supes. Orion with the MB and Astro force along with WW running interference with her speed and lasso can holf of the Mad Titan long enough for one of the Supes to get in the fight and beat Thanos. Team 1 has a speed disadvantage and with WWH (a huge liability)
Again WW will get beaten pretty quickly as to whoever engages her first. KC Supes and regular Supes would get destroyed by Thanos physically among other ways.
Originally posted by MarvelknightSuperman wouldnt have an easy time with Hulk. WW Hulk would break him.
Thanos would've been better off with someone else on his team. Thor and WWH won't do. WW has the combat skills and versatility to take on Thor. Orion is a another great fighter with versatility via his weaponry. Regular Supes could take WWH. And with KC Supes, it is almost overkill.
Originally posted by ultimatethor
WW does NOT have evn close to thor versatility( Not evn close). Superstrength, flight speed, an unbreakable lasso and bracelets and blunt force durability? Really she is so far away from him in that department its not funny. She also does not have the actual combat speed to partially evn it out. She will be kept busy by WWH. Thor would go after orion and thanos takes out both supermen. If WWH still hasnt finished by then he would be assisted by thanos afterwhich they could help thor if he evn needs it