Thanos,Thor(classic),WW Hulk vs. Superman,Wonderwoman,Orion,Superman(kc)

Originally posted by quanchi112
No way. Supes cant oneshot Kalibak off a planet nor someone as weak as Solomon Grundy. WW Hulk is much greater than both.

If he can lift as much as he does, he can easily oneshot Kalibak off of the planet. Why doesnt he? NEW GODS USE BOOM TUBES.

And Solomon Grundy is weak? This is new to me. Last I remember he has clashed with the justice league. Superman vaporized him once by accident, and was releived to kno that he ressurrects every monday.

wwh would get bfred by anyone on team two. Orions motherbox would be understandable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos deals with characters and their speed has done them little if any good. Team 1 dominates. Team 2 simply doesnt have the power necessary for the win.

Team ones only problem is thanos. Thor will put up a fight, but will go down. Thanos will get overwhelmed.

I forgot all about Orion's motherbox. Does THAT little trinket open up even more possibilities..

wwh might as well walk away lol. He wont be there for long.

Originally posted by Avlon
Too bad this is a forum battle where speed is used. Thanos in character talks a lot and has trouble with guys far slower than Supes, WW, or even Orion. Sounds like he will be getting pwned by superior speed.

Did you just not read that he started doing that after DOS. Nice try though.

Too bad he hasn't been shown to be able to shrug off another stone spell. Getting stronger doesn't make him immune.

Thanos yelled for help and was on the floor.

I see you're ignoring the context. Read what I typed again. WW's weapons could cut through him even easier and she's far faster and stronger than the guys who cut Thanos before.

Right. Because standard Supes is as strong if not stronger than Thanos, and then you added a superior version of Supes on top of that. Then you added another guy who who claim is standard supes equal, and lastly, a chick you claim is equal to a sundipped Supes.

Damn, I like your version of the DC characters. Now they really stomp team 1.

Oh so he couldnt do that before? Huh or do you mean he has only done it a few times?

He has resisted reality warping and this same feat hasnt been replicated. Dont you think if it were that easy the Surfer would have done it?

Thanos defended himself. Superman looked pathetic as he couldnt even protect himself and was then saved by Orion. 😛

You are ignoring my answer. Cutting him has had little effect and hasnt beaten him. The guy survives black holes.

Thanos pwns tiop tiers and thats what the Supermen are. Thats it.

WW held off a sunamped Superman which makes him look bad not anyone on team 1. 😬

Orions motherbox keeps him calm... Wonder what would happen if it were placed on Hulk...

Originally posted by Sirius77
If he can lift as much as he does, he can easily oneshot Kalibak off of the planet. Why doesnt he? NEW GODS USE BOOM TUBES.

And Solomon Grundy is weak? This is new to me. Last I remember he has clashed with the justice league. Superman vaporized him once by accident, and was releived to kno that he ressurrects every monday.

wwh would get bfred by anyone on team two. Orions motherbox would be understandable.

Team ones only problem is thanos. Thor will put up a fight, but will go down. Thanos will get overwhelmed.

Supes should use his superspeed to take away his motherbox and then simply bfr him in under a second right?

No one on team 2 has the power to defeat Thanos. No one.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos destroyed Fallen One and the Surfer and both fly around pretty damn fast.

What feats does Fallen one have? What superspeed fighting has he done?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh so he couldnt do that before? Huh or do you mean he has only done it a few times?

DOS Superman? Just the tossing a mountain into the sun thing which is still good enough to prove my point. Too bad we're not discussing him and are using 2 much more powerful versions instead.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He has resisted reality warping and this same feat hasnt been replicated. Dont you think if it were that easy the Surfer would have done it?

LOL. Travelling to different universes where things operate differently. Yea, great feat considering plenty of characters have done these types of things.

It's not a stone spell. Show something better.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos defended himself. Superman looked pathetic as he couldnt even protect himself and was then saved by Orion. 😛

He struggled against a herald. Good thing there weren't 2 morgs. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
You are ignoring my answer. Cutting him has had little effect and hasnt beaten him. The guy survives black holes.

No, you're purposely ignoring the context. You know what I meant. He got cut by far less powerful than WW's magic weapons and by far less powerful beings...AND they didn't have superspeed.

Black hole? LOL. Superman was in a double black hole and came out fresh as a daisy. Thanos looked like crap and needed a device to get out.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos pwns tiop tiers and thats what the Supermen are. Thats it.

Unless it's Morg. Or Warlock. Or Ka-Zar. Or Champion (who he prepped for and had to trick.) or Thor.

Originally posted by quanchi112
WW held off a sunamped Superman which makes him look bad not anyone on team 1. 😬

If WW can handle a sunamped (forum rumor) Superman, then she can definitely hang with Thanos. Thanks for the power up! 😄

Originally posted by quanchi112
Solomon Grundy also takes on Batman by himself.

So does specter, Darkseid, captain marvel, mongul, superman, etc...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes should use his superspeed to take away his motherbox and then simply bfr him in under a second right?

If Orion wasnt ftl and couldnt make another one immediately, then he could.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No one on team 2 has the power to defeat Thanos. No one.

All of them will overpower him.

Originally posted by Avlon
What feats does Fallen one have? What superspeed fighting has he done?

DOS Superman? Just the tossing a mountain into the sun thing which is still good enough to prove my point. Too bad we're not discussing him and are using 2 much more powerful versions instead.

LOL. Travelling to different universes where things operate differently. Yea, great feat considering plenty of characters have done these types of things.

It's not a stone spell. Show something better.

He struggled against a herald. Good thing there weren't 2 morgs. 🙂

No, you're purposely ignoring the context. You know what I meant. He got cut by far less powerful than WW's magic weapons and by far less powerful beings...AND they didn't have superspeed.

Black hole? LOL. Superman was in a double black hole and came out fresh as a daisy. Thanos looked like crap and needed a device to get out.

Unless it's Morg. Or Warlock. Or Ka-Zar. Or Champion (who he prepped for and had to trick.) or Thor.

If WW can handle a sunamped (forum rumor) Superman, then she can definitely hang with Thanos. Thanks for the power up! 😄

Tossing a mountain is a horrible example as its an inanimate object.

Resisting reality warping is quite impressive and the fact that the Surfer hasnt done it coupled with his upgrade(s) shows its a onetime event done by a ghost because when Warlock was alive he didnt do it. 😛

He blocked one attack. 😐

Supes was blasted by Kalibak and needed Orion. 😉

Characters have cut him but have done no real damage. Sure he might be cut but the result is the same. WW gets crushed just like Wolverine. 😛

Thanos was fine and Supes also survived a black home yet a Kalibak punch can defeat him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was using his speed dancing all around while Thanos was blasting him. He then grabbed him and made him become his own personal herald.

Great. He's as fast as midnighter if thats his only feat.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Resisting reality warping is quite impressive and the fact that the Surfer hasnt done it coupled with his upgrade(s) shows its a onetime event done by a ghost because when Warlock was alive he didnt do it. 😛

Superman did the same thing with dominus. All except it was directed at him. Dominus is an abstract entity who imprisoned his universes equivalent to eternity btw.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was fine and Supes also survived a black home yet a Kalibak punch can defeat him.

Thanos survived a black hole, and yet he got hurt by gamora. At least kalibak is a top tier with hulk level strength, and a club that magnifies it. Gamora has no powers. Only skill.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was using his speed dancing all around while Thanos was blasting him. He then grabbed him and made him become his own personal herald.

He flew directly at him at unknown speed. Hardly a prime example of handling superspeed. Anything more difinitive?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tossing a mountain is a horrible example as its an inanimate object.

Not so. The mountain is far heavier than Thanos, Thor, or Hulk's weight. Comparing Superman's speed to those 3, they might as well be standing still.

And that's using pre-dos Superman. He's far faster, stronger, and has 1 shotted beings off planet before. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Resisting reality warping is quite impressive and the fact that the Surfer hasnt done it coupled with his upgrade(s) shows its a onetime event done by a ghost because when Warlock was alive he didnt do it. 😛

The realities had different rules. Now, where is the proof that Thanos became immune to a stone spell?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He blocked one attack. 😐

He yelled for help as his head was about to be taken off.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes was blasted by Kalibak and needed Orion. 😉

Still better than Morg and Warlock. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Characters have cut him but have done no real damage. Sure he might be cut but the result is the same. WW gets crushed just like Wolverine. 😛

Weaker characters with weaker weapons. Superhuman strength, speed, and magic fix that.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos was fine and Supes also survived a black home yet a Kalibak punch can defeat him.

Either way, the black hole example shows that Supes durability>Thanos. Yet you added KC Superman who's shown even greater durability.

Team 2 ftw. The speed advantage, and the fact that WWH limits team 1.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Great. He's as fast as midnighter if thats his only feat.

Superman did the same thing with dominus. All except it was directed at him. Dominus is an abstract entity who imprisoned his universes equivalent to eternity btw.

Thanos survived a black hole, and yet he got hurt by gamora. At least kalibak is a top tier with hulk level strength, and a club that magnifies it. Gamora has no powers. Only skill.

Reality warping doesnt help Thanos dominate here its just something he can resist.

Thanos killed Gamora before his first major upgrade. 😉

Gamora and Thanos were only fooling around. When they fought for real Gamora died. Know the context please. 😛

Originally posted by Avlon
He flew directly at him at unknown speed. Hardly a prime example of handling superspeed. Anything more difinitive?

Not so. The mountain is far heavier than Thanos, Thor, or Hulk's weight. Comparing Superman's speed to those 3, they might as well be standing still.

And that's using pre-dos Superman. He's far faster, stronger, and has 1 shotted beings off planet before. 🙂

The realities had different rules. Now, where is the proof that Thanos became immune to a stone spell?

He yelled for help as his head was about to be taken off.

Still better than Morg and Warlock. 🙂

Weaker characters with weaker weapons. Superhuman strength, speed, and magic fix that.

Either way, the black hole example shows that Supes durability>Thanos. Yet you added KC Superman who's shown even greater durability.

Team 2 ftw. The speed advantage, and the fact that WWH limits team 1.

Supes has also had his bell rung by beings far less than Thanos such as Kalibak and Cyborg. 🙂

It was a ghost and Thanos has been upgraded. Dont ignore these two huge facts.

He blocked Morgs swipe. Thats pretty much it. So when Superman has blocked or defended himself and needed help from the jla this makes him utterly pathetic eh? According to your logic I guess it does.

No the black holes show both arent really affected by them but still Supes can be ko'd by more or less a Kalibak punch. To show Superman has greater durability you have to Superman can take more punishment than Thanos. 😆

The mountain cant fight back as I said it isnt alive. Try picking up a barbell that weights 200 pounds and then try throwing a person(150) who can resist you. Big difference.
Thanos defeats either kc Superman or regular Superman with his energy fie;d right off the bat. The rest lose and get destroyed.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Great. He's as fast as midnighter if thats his only feat.

Superman did the same thing with dominus. All except it was directed at him. Dominus is an abstract entity who imprisoned his universes equivalent to eternity btw.

Thanos survived a black hole, and yet he got hurt by gamora. At least kalibak is a top tier with hulk level strength, and a club that magnifies it. Gamora has no powers. Only skill.

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That's not true.

Gamora received treatments from Thanos that enhanced her speed, strength, stamina, and agility to rival Warlock's (to better slay the Magus, his evil future self).

He cybernetically enhanced her to superhuman levels. So she's at the minimum CL50.

And she is without question a 7 in the fighting skills area. You'd be hard pressed to be able to get through counting out on your one hand for characters that are more skilled at fighting than she.

This argument is getting pathetic. People are using characters low feats/ singular high feats to make judgenments which is just plainly foolish. Superman is NOT oneshotting anybody off the planet. The idea of him doing this is unbelevably stupid. Yes if we take into consideration the weight of the characters this should be possible in reality but since we are debating COMICS according to the rules of the COMIC world this idea should not be taken seriously. This is because this does not only apply to superman but applies to practically evry superstrong character. Conversely it could be said that WW( who lacks battle speed) could be one shotted of the planet by either hulk, thor or thanos. And frankly evry fight that involves two class 100 level characters should end with the first blow as one of the characters would immediately end up in space. It is simply one of the illogicalities of the comic world which must be accepeted. Just like the illlogical explanation of cap being able to survive a punch from a class 100 charcter by rolling with it, or human torches and firelords ability to produce sun level fire on earth without burning up the atmosphere, or the hulks ability to move huge masses without them crumbling under their own weight. All of these are comic book illogicalities that must be accepted because they have become integrated into the comic book world. Saying that superman can throw a mountain into the sun and equating it to punching another being into the sun is therefore plain stupid. He might have punched lobo into space before but it is once again foolish to assume that because of this he can punch evryone into space as well considering that he has punched WW, MM,GL and a host of other characters numerous times without them going into orbit. There is a fine line between describing a charcter to the best of his ability and foolishness

What we should be using here is the genral protrayal of characters barring PIS. Using this it is obvious that thanos is by a considerable margun the most powerful character present in this field. He is genrally portrayed as being far above top tiers if not skyfather level barring some of his low showings and PIS incidents. And despite what many superman fans want to think superman is portrayed genrally as a top tier and nothing more. In comparison to thanos his power scope is extremely limited. He is also extremely less durable( proven fact) and has a far lower overall power output. Now he is faster undoubtedly but this speed problem can be handled by thanos who has shown that he can block speedbiltzes. Although we cant really detrmine the speed of fallen one when he attempted to blitz thanos, it should be noted that in the majority of the examples in which superman speedblitzes we also cannot detrmine his actual speed.

Thanos can eliminate characters like wonderwoman and orion by entrapment very easily. He could also decide to focus on the two supermen while WWH handles wonderwoman and thor handles orion. Whichever way it goes thanos is the trump card for team one

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is his speed did nothing.

The point is, his battle speed wasnt even shown to be above midnighter.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Gamora and Thanos were only fooling around. When they fought for real Gamora died. Know the context please. 😛

Superman has oneshotted Kalibak numerous times, and superman does not kill. Mantis was with Kalibak, and Kalibak had his beta club and they both surprised superman and sucker punched him. Superman knocked them both out. Why dont you try reading comics.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes has also had his bell rung by beings far less than Thanos such as Kalibak and Cyborg. 🙂

Like sg?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Supes No the black holes show both arent really affected by them but still Supes can be ko'd by more or less a Kalibak punch. To show Superman has greater durability you have to Superman can take more punishment than Thanos. 😆

Stop lying. Superman was not koed. He was dazed, seeing as he knocked both Kalibak and Mantis out and took them down with him right after the punch. Right after that he traded blows with the source impowered Infinity Man, then speedblitzed darkseid who had just owned the source in half. Then he not only survived being inbetween two colliding planets, but didnt have a scratch on him. The last two were in the same comic.

Originally posted by The Illuminati
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That's not true.

Gamora received treatments from Thanos that enhanced her speed, strength, stamina, and agility to rival Warlock's (to better slay the Magus, his evil future self).

He cybernetically enhanced her to superhuman levels. So she's at the minimum CL50.

And she is without question a 7 in the fighting skills area. You'd be hard pressed to be able to get through counting out on your one hand for characters that are more skilled at fighting than she.

Hmm. The fact is that class fifty strength and amazing fighting skills shouldnt get you that far with a transcendant. I was merely using quans logic against him. Thanos jobbed to Gamora. Superman jobbed to Kalibak in a new gods comic and still managed to ko both him and mantis.

I don't know why people are still arguing this. WWH is a huge liability and along with the numbers disadvantage and the speed disadvantage Team 1 isn't taking this. Team 2 ftw after ganging up on the Mid Titan.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't know why people are still arguing this. WWH is a huge liability and along with the numbers disadvantage and the speed disadvantage Team 1 isn't taking this. Team 2 ftw after ganging up on the Mid Titan.

What have you seen from WWH that screams out to you that he can't deal with speed? Please enlighten me.

He's stronger, smarter, more skilled, more durable and has a higher overall ceiling than anyone on Team 2. So what gives?