Thanos,Thor(classic),WW Hulk vs. Superman,Wonderwoman,Orion,Superman(kc)

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was using his speed dancing all around while Thanos was blasting him. He then grabbed him and made him become his own personal herald.

Tossing a mountain is a horrible example as its an inanimate object.

Resisting reality warping is quite impressive and the fact that the Surfer hasnt done it coupled with his upgrade(s) shows its a onetime event done by a ghost because when Warlock was alive he didnt do it. 😛

He blocked one attack. 😐

Supes was blasted by Kalibak and needed Orion. 😉

Characters have cut him but have done no real damage. Sure he might be cut but the result is the same. WW gets crushed just like Wolverine. 😛

Thanos was fine and Supes also survived a black home yet a Kalibak punch can defeat him.

Fallen One charged at him like a ****ing moron. Of course you can stop that kind of attack. Even Firelord or Terrax would have been able to do something there. I give Thanos props for the timing, but it was hardly a speedblitz.

Blasted by Kalibak? Ignoring context again. He was blasted by an upgraded Kalibak, who for the first time in years, actually managed to beat Orion in an earlier issue, I believe of Firestorm. Kalibak has been summarily thrashed everytime he's gone up against Orion in a fair fight. This time, he owned him. WHY?? Because Darkseid finally decided to upgrade Kalibak.

And you forgot Mantis. Poor little Mantis. For somebody who's not very smart, he sure has some amazing showings. 🙄 Like beating the entire JLA, easily thrashing PC Hal Jordan, stalemating Infinity Man, and even stalemating the entire LSH.

Originally posted by Sirius77
The point is, his battle speed wasnt even shown to be above midnighter.

Superman has oneshotted Kalibak numerous times, and superman does not kill. Mantis was with Kalibak, and Kalibak had his beta club and they both surprised superman and sucker punched him. Superman knocked them both out. Why dont you try reading comics.

Superman can defeat Kalibak but show scans of him oneshotting him. I dont think that he has. Show me two instances.

The point is Kalibak has enough hitting power to beat Superman on occasion but not every time. 😛

Supes needed Orion to come save his ass. 💃

Originally posted by Sirius77
Like sg?

Stop lying. Superman was not koed. He was dazed, seeing as he knocked both Kalibak and Mantis out and took them down with him right after the punch. Right after that he traded blows with the source impowered Infinity Man, then speedblitzed darkseid who had just owned the source in half. Then he not only survived being inbetween two colliding planets, but didnt have a scratch on him. The last two were in the same comic.

Superman was helpless and was saved by orion. Read the comic.

Supes did nothing to Im. Im contained him easily and he was nothing more than a pest. Darkseid could have killed Superman but he chose not to.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Fallen One charged at him like a ****ing moron. Of course you can stop that kind of attack. Even Firelord or Terrax would have been able to do something there. I give Thanos props for the timing, but it was hardly a speedblitz.

Blasted by Kalibak? Ignoring context again. He was blasted by an upgraded Kalibak, who for the first time in years, actually managed to beat Orion in an earlier issue, I believe of Firestorm. Kalibak has been summarily thrashed everytime he's gone up against Orion in a fair fight. This time, he owned him. WHY?? Because Darkseid finally decided to upgrade Kalibak.

And you forgot Mantis. Poor little Mantis. For somebody who's not very smart, he sure has some amazing showings. 🙄 Like beating the entire JLA, easily thrashing PC Hal Jordan, stalemating Infinity Man, and even stalemating the entire LSH.

Kalibak seemed weak indeed and this was from a different writer. Completely different from the writer of the firestorm series. He seemed like a bumbling idiot and got wrecked by Orion immediately afterwards.

Darkseid upgraded Kalibak but couldnt manage to defeat Orion. He battled him twice. Once he fled and the second time had his heart ripped from his chest. 😛

Originally posted by Avlon
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WWH gets one shotted off planet. Superman defeats Thor. KC Supes and WW have a field day with Thanos. WW's tiara or sword can easily slice him and her lasso can tie either Thor or Thanos up without issues.

Must suck not to have superspeed on team 1. So much potential there.

Well since you want to use scenerio's like that Im going to use one. Sinec titus one shotted superman and hulk strength>>>titus, hulk would one shot him. Since despero one shotted superman and hulk strength is >>>> despero then hulk would knock superman head clean off. Since Kalibak knocked superman out and hulk strength is >>>>kalibak, hulk would also ko superman.

I can keep going if you want me to.

Originally posted by carver9
Well since you want to use scenerio's like that Im going to use one. Sinec titus one shotted superman and hulk strength>>>titus, hulk would one shot him. Since despero one shotted superman and hulk strength is >>>> despero then hulk would knock superman head clean off. Since Kalibak knocked superman out and hulk strength is >>>>kalibak, hulk would also ko superman.

I can keep going if you want me to.

Originally posted by Badabing
The problem with your post is Avlon's using KMC battlefield rules, characters at their best, while you're just making up scenarios and pretending team DC doesn't have a speed advantage. On KMC, Hulk really doesn't lay a hand on Supes.....

Agreed, the hulk does not evn touch supes but this one shotting off the planet thing is ridiculous. Using the comparative weight and strength of charcters justify this oneshotting of the planet stuff is wrong. In essence it would mean that in a fight involving two top class hundreds the person to get off the first blow would win nearly evry time because when we compare the strength and weight ratios the person who gets hit would be hurtling through space. This goes against comic law howeverr because class hundrd characters get into fights all the time without one character being hurled intoanother solar system

Originally posted by ultimatethor
Agreed, the hulk does not evn touch supes but this one shotting off the planet thing is ridiculous. Using the comparative weight and strength of charcters justify this oneshotting of the planet stuff is wrong. In essence it would mean that in a fight involving two top class hundreds the person to get off the first blow would win nearly evry time because when we compare the strength and weight ratios the person who gets hit would be hurtling through space. This goes against comic law howeverr because class hundrd characters get into fights all the time without one character being hurled intoanother solar system

Originally posted by Badabing
The problem with your post is Avlon's using KMC battlefield rules, characters at their best, while you're just making up scenarios and pretending team DC doesn't have a speed advantage. On KMC, Hulk really doesn't lay a hand on Supes.....

But where are you getting this combat speed thing for a character that has used it lets say 5 times out of the 60 years he been out. Hell I could use that same argument for wolverine since he did take out 10 soldiers in the wink of an eye and he also kept up with speed demon and actually jumped pass him elbowing him in the face. So I can basically say that hulk wont land a lick on him or kalibak, metallo, etc.. I could just say that since wolverine has used blinding speed he could blitz all around these character since they dont have speed feats matching this BUT wolverine DONT have combat speed like that just like superman fail to show any combat speed and struggles to fight bricks just like wolverine does.

Flash has combat speed, zoom has combat speed, but superman fail to show anything on any of there levels.

Originally posted by Badabing
AMEN to that! Trying to reconcile real world science with comics = dur!

Then Spiderman can match superman in speed since he has circled around light speed objects.

Originally posted by carver9
Well since you want to use scenerio's like that Im going to use one. Sinec titus one shotted superman and hulk strength>>>titus, hulk would one shot him. Since despero one shotted superman and hulk strength is >>>> despero then hulk would knock superman head clean off. Since Kalibak knocked superman out and hulk strength is >>>>kalibak, hulk would also ko superman.

I can keep going if you want me to.

You have to prove that Hulk is as fast as any of those guys and as strong.

Which is basically a losing battle. Hulk's strength is THEORETICALLY>>> pretty much anyone, but he has not demonstrated the power needed to take out someone like Superman.

I'm not gonna bother with your fixation on Superman's combat speed. He's rebuilt a city in 2 panels. NUFF SAID.
Credit to Avlon for the scan.

Originally posted by Avlon
Superman shows off his amazing speed by building a city in seconds in front of a crowd of onlookers.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You have to prove that Hulk is as fast as any of those guys and as strong.

Which is basically a losing battle. Hulk's strength is THEORETICALLY>>> pretty much anyone, but he has not demonstrated the power needed to take out someone like Superman.

I'm not gonna bother with your fixation on Superman's combat speed. [b]He's rebuilt a city in 2 panels. NUFF SAID.
Credit to Avlon for the scan. [/B]

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Well since metallo failed to dodge supermans blast then wolverine would blitz metallo.

Since mongul fail to do this feat, wolverine would blitz him also.
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I asked for combat speed and you show me superman flying around a city.

Originally posted by Badabing
The problem with your post is Avlon's using KMC battlefield rules, characters at their best, while you're just making up scenarios and pretending team DC doesn't have a speed advantage. On KMC, Hulk really doesn't lay a hand on Supes.....

Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk would lay a finger on Supes. Your taking Superman out of character then. Lots of slow pokes hit Supes all the time.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You have to prove that Hulk is as fast as any of those guys and as strong.

Which is basically a losing battle. Hulk's strength is THEORETICALLY>>> pretty much anyone, but he has not demonstrated the power needed to take out someone like Superman.

I'm not gonna bother with your fixation on Superman's combat speed. [b]He's rebuilt a city in 2 panels. NUFF SAID.
Credit to Avlon for the scan. [/B]

Really i understand the speed part and the hulk certainly cant singlehandeedly take out superman in an all out fight but not having the strength? and not having generated the power? I really dont evn need start mentioning feats of the SAVAGE/GREY HULK that show he has the strength to knock out supes and considering this is WWH its a whole different story. By feats i can confidently say that WWH is the strongest person in the field( wont account for that much though).

And yeah supes rebuilding a city in two panels is about as much evidence of combat speed as thors ditch digging feat is. It just does not suffice. ( Evn though personally i think supes does have some degree of combat speed)

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Because Supes allows them to.

Originally posted by Marvelknight
Because Supes allows them to.

So supes allowed kalibak to knock him out. So supes allowed mongul to almost kill him. So supes allowed despero to one shot him. So supes allowed titus to one shot him. So supes allowed hawk man to one shot him. So supes allowed solomon grundy to stalemate him. So supes allowed the general to almost kill him. So supes allowed darkseid to almost take his damn head off.

I guess the greatest hero is a dam* idiot.

Originally posted by carver9
So supes allowed kalibak to knock him out. So supes allowed mongul to almost kill him. So supes allowed despero to one shot him. So supes allowed titus to one shot him. So supes allowed hawk man to one shot him. So supes allowed solomon grundy to stalemate him. So supes allowed the general to almost kill him. So supes allowed darkseid to almost take his damn head off.

I guess the greatest hero is a dam* idiot.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
[B]Hulk's strength is THEORETICALLY>>> pretty much anyone, but he has not demonstrated the power needed to take out someone like Superman.

1) it's not "theoretical" - Hulk has multiple ON-PANEL CLEAR, UNAMBIGUOUS demonstrations of "Infinite strength". From The Leader on down, the best scientific minds in Marvel U have all attested to the +unquantifiable+ strength of Savage Hulk.

2) Hulk's demonstrated more than enough power to rip Superman's head right off, he just lacks the versatility and speed to do battle with a flying foe of Superman's calibre. make no mistake, he does not lack for the power to do it.

Originally posted by carver9
So supes allowed kalibak to knock him out. So supes allowed mongul to almost kill him. So supes allowed despero to one shot him. So supes allowed titus to one shot him. So supes allowed hawk man to one shot him. So supes allowed solomon grundy to stalemate him. So supes allowed the general to almost kill him. So supes allowed darkseid to almost take his damn head off.

I guess the greatest hero is a dam* idiot.

I don't know who'd win this fight and really I don't honestly care. Everything you just said is true. . .but something that I seem to see lacking with a lot of people on this board is that they forget that its just a story. It's created to make money. Everything single thing in a comic book is PLOT driven. He gets beat up so either a) he can come back later and whoop some butt. or b) help arrives. That goes for every comic book. Superman didn't allow anyone to beat him. . .the writers did. Depending on who is writing a book, Superman could get laid out in one hit by a falling brick, but then again he might have a moment of uber power. . .welcome to PIS I suppose, but IMHO it's all PIS.