Originally posted by quanchi112Yeah but wasn't it you that claimed Black Adam was top dog during WW3 because he destroyed The Jsa? Even though they were trying to "contain" him? You use context to support your opinion but forget it to discredit others 🙁 . Horrible debating anyways anybody from team two beat WWh. Team two is on a totally different level from there Thor and Thanos are out gunned the end.
Sirius he didnt battle the jsa. He escaped to save a life. They werent trying to beat him but instead contain him. Context.
Originally posted by horrorwolf
Actually WWH is more durable than Superman.Why? Because of regerative capabilities that surpass Wolverine's, that is constantly amped by rage.
So although Hulk's durability is just below Superman's in physical toughness, he's beyond Superman in cellular damage repair speed and far beyond Superman in cellular repair potency(rate of speed). This is why even regular savage Hulk has taken the best shots from top tiers in comics.
Near Superman toughness + Beyond Wolverine Regen + Inexhaustable Endurance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman Durablility in the long run each and every time. The Best Superman can hope for is an early BFR or KO vs Savage Hulk, much less WWH.
Same goes for Thanos, one of the most durable characters ever. and Thor is right behind him.
Its Superman who has been shown to exhaust stored energies time and time again. He is a solar battery.
That's the thing, durability to me involves the ability to resist damage. WWH can be injured more easily than Supes. You can't say Wolverine is more durable than Colossus or The Thing simply because of his regeneration. The kind of damage Colossus and Thing shrug off would be tearing chunks of flesh from Wolvie.
I mean the kind of power WWH will have to put out to damage Supes is much higher than the power Supes will need to damage WWH. And you're also forgetting the significance of his bio aura, he doesn't need Hulk's regeneration.
Superman's durability has stood up to very powerful beings even in a straight brawl, WWH will be taking far more damage if they fight and thus would be more likely to lose. Hell, Superman's full heat vision would do a number on him. WWH's flesh can breached much more easily therefore his durability is lower. Regeneration keeps him in the fight, but it doesn't stop the damage.
EDIT: And I forgot to add that if Superman is exposed to yellow sun radiation, his regenerative abilities are very potent as well.
actually, though your point about the nature of their respective durabilities is correct (upto a point, naturally Hulk's durability, being a factor of his dynamic power-level, can be at levels where Superman wouldn't even be able to smudge his skin - say when fighting Onslaught), the problem is that "damage" doesn't mean the same thing to both characters.
Hulk can have his internal organs ripped out and they will reform in moments (seconds at most), without him missing a beat. Superman cannot and would die (it's speculative as to whether he would comeback to life, ala DoS). the infinitely superior healing factor is one difference in "damage soak" between Hulk and Superman.
though, in some cases Hulk may start out weaker than Superman, he will inevitably begin to cause lasting damage to Superman with each successive punch, Superman on the other hand will be causing LESS damage with each successive attack, as Hulk will be growing more resilient as well as the HF negating any and all prior damage inflicted by Superman (a good example of the monster combination of HF and durability is the fight with Zom/Strange).
Originally posted by quanchi112
Sirius he didnt battle the jsa. He escaped to save a life. They werent trying to beat him but instead contain him. Context.
Wow. I just posted the scans where he just threw them all aside like ragdolls while having his weight increased one hundred fold. He then proceeded to beat Jay garrick to the city to save a life. And the fact that he was listening for someone in trouble while they were doing everything to restrain him implies that they were of no concequence to him.
Originally posted by janus77
actually, though your point about the nature of their respective durabilities is correct (upto a point, naturally Hulk's durability, being a factor of his dynamic power-level, can be at levels where Superman wouldn't even be able to smudge his skin - say when fighting Onslaught), the problem is that "damage" doesn't mean the same thing to both characters.Hulk can have his internal organs ripped out and they will reform in moments (seconds at most), without him missing a beat. Superman cannot and would die (it's speculative as to whether he would comeback to life, ala DoS). the infinitely superior healing factor is one difference in "damage soak" between Hulk and Superman.
though, in some cases Hulk may start out weaker than Superman, he will inevitably begin to cause lasting damage to Superman with each successive punch, Superman on the other hand will be causing LESS damage with each successive attack, as Hulk will be growing more resilient as well as the HF negating any and all prior damage inflicted by Superman (a good example of the monster combination of HF and durability is the fight with Zom/Strange).
Has Hulk ever regenerated from decapitation?
Originally posted by janus77
actually, though your point about the nature of their respective durabilities is correct (upto a point, naturally Hulk's durability, being a factor of his dynamic power-level, can be at levels where Superman wouldn't even be able to smudge his skin - say when fighting Onslaught), the problem is that "damage" doesn't mean the same thing to both characters.Hulk can have his internal organs ripped out and they will reform in moments (seconds at most), without him missing a beat. Superman cannot and would die (it's speculative as to whether he would comeback to life, ala DoS). the infinitely superior healing factor is one difference in "damage soak" between Hulk and Superman.
though, in some cases Hulk may start out weaker than Superman, he will inevitably begin to cause lasting damage to Superman with each successive punch, Superman on the other hand will be causing LESS damage with each successive attack, as Hulk will be growing more resilient as well as the HF negating any and all prior damage inflicted by Superman (a good example of the monster combination of HF and durability is the fight with Zom/Strange).
This is all well and good but I'm trying to envision a situation where Superman's internal organs are reaped out without the use of kryptonite, and it's very hard.
As far as Hulk's damage soak ability is concerned I think we all agree that it's very high, but Superman doesn't need Hulks
regen abilitiest because even in situation where he loses and is beaten, his actual flesh suffers very few breaches (it's normally heavy concussive damage), his first line of defense can stand up to alot without getting breached.
Of course this is just one aspect of the fight, Superman has clear advantages in other areas, which mean for the kind of fight this will likely be, his durability will serve him better than Hulk's (who needs time and anger to reach Superman's levels).
Originally posted by Allankles
Team 2 wins. WWH can get taken off planet where he won't be a bother. KC Supes to take Thor as WW and Orion hold off Thanos long enough for either Supes to get into the fight with Thanos. And Thanos isn't punking any of these three guys by himself.
Thanos punk anyone in this match in one-on-one by himself.
Two or three of any of these cats wouldn't be a problem fo a skyfather like him.
KC Superman could be a problem... if Thanos wouldn't have the Power Cosmic. With it, he litteraly own both Sups in 10 seconds max by draining their solar energies, and pimp slap them to the realm of his chixx. Orion and WWH brawl and WW is owned by Thor.
Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Thanos punk anyone in this match in one-on-one by himself.
Two or three of any of these cats wouldn't be a problem fo a skyfather like him.KC Superman could be a problem... if Thanos wouldn't have the Power Cosmic. With it, he litteraly own both Sups in 10 seconds max by draining their solar energies, and pimp slap them to the realm of his chixx. Orion and WWH brawl and WW is owned by Thor.
Yes Cuz thanos just drains beings of thier energy. that's his M.O. NOT.
Originally posted by Sirius77
Has Hulk ever regenerated from decapitation?
though in effect it should be similar to breaking his neck, as the spinal column would be shattered and various arteries ripped between the brain and the body.
therefore, I'd use the recent example where SHIELD used a virus made from Hulk's DNA (the only thing capable of adapting and dynamically growing in power to overcome Hulk's anti-bodies) to weaken Hulk to such a level that they could snap his neck. yet even with the virus working again, he recovered from it in a few panels.
then there's the feat where Maestro broke Professor Hulk's neck (Prof being a generally much less explosive version of Hulk) and he recovered from it, though over a few days.
then there's the probability that it would be impossible for anyone less than a skyfather, to completely slice through Hulk. this is what it seems to point at when Maestro's ADAMANTIUM CRUSHING "dogs of war" can't crush Prof Hulk, when Prof Hulk using all his strength, can't force Captain America's shield all the way through Maestro ... that's basically showing that Hulk is too durable too dense for Adamantium or Vibranium to completely sever.