Thanos,Thor(classic),WW Hulk vs. Superman,Wonderwoman,Orion,Superman(kc)

Originally posted by quanchi112
He left with the orb. He already proved he could step to Tyrant who is near Galactus level.

Anyone can "step" to a more powerful opponent and run away. Not impressive.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He still won when he himself allowed the heroes a chance to win. The tried a sneak attack after Thanos killed all his opposition on this terrain except Cap American who he was playing with.

Which proves my point. By simply turning off his cosmic awareness..he got his ass kicked, thus had to turn it back on to win.

Winning with infinite power is hardly impressive. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
This level has yet to be proven.

Owns the jsa:

Jay Garrick says that kc superman may be as fast as Wally as he looses a race to him:

Owns hercules after he just bloodied regular supermans face:

Originally posted by The Illuminati
I'll give you the speed advantage for DC but, durability??? Nobody on Team 2 is more durable than anybody on Team 1.

Again, Current Thanos would more than likely stalemate Team 2 by his lonesome. THOR and WWH can beat any one of the members of Team 2 one on one.

IMO this isn't even close. Team 2 dies. Every time.

Are you kidding me?

Regular Superman is more durable than WWH.

Regular Superman is more durable than Thor.

Orion's durability is on the same level if not greater than Thor's/

KC Supes >> Regular Supes >> WWH

KC Supes >> Regular Supes >> Thor.

So three characters in team 2 with equal or greater durability than Thor and WWH on top of the speed factor.

Thanos > Superman but KC Supes has greater durability than Supes too so it evens out.

Wonder Woman is no slouch either when it comes to durability for blunt force trauma.

Originally posted by Allankles
Are you kidding me?

Regular Superman is more durable than WWH.

Regular Superman is more durable than Thor.

Orion's durability is on the same level if not greater than Thor's/

KC Supes >> Regular Supes >> WWH

KC Supes >> Regular Supes >> Thor.

So three characters in team 2 with equal or greater durability than Thor and WWH on top of the speed factor.

Thanos > Superman but KC Supes has greater durability than Supes too so it evens out.

Wonder Woman is no slouch either when it comes to durability for blunt force trauma.

Don't underestimate Thor's durability, he has plenty of great feats. In example, a prolonged fight on the sun.

Originally posted by llagrok
Don't underestimate Thor's durability, he has plenty of great feats. In example, a prolonged fight on the sun.

I'm not underestimating Thor I know he can take a lot of punishment I think his overall durability is greater than Wonder Woman's (she's vulnerable to sharp force trauma e.g bullets) and equal to Orion's, but Supes for a variety of reasons like his bio aura, perhaps greater sub atomic density (his skin is very difficult to breach) has the greater durability.

Originally posted by Allankles
I'm not underestimating Thor I know he can take a lot of punishment I think his overall durability is greater than Wonder Woman's (she's vulnerable to sharp force trauma e.g bullets) and equal to Orion's, but Supes for a variety of reasons like his bio aura, perhaps greater sub atomic density (his skin is very difficult to breach) has the greater durability.

More like a matter of opinion :/

Thor has been cut by a lot of stuff, so has Superman.

Originally posted by llagrok
More like a matter of opinion :/

Thor has been cut by a lot of stuff, so has Superman.

I didn't say Superman hasn't been cut I suggested another possible reason for his greater durability. We already know that his bio aura makes him more durable than most.

Originally posted by Allankles
I didn't say Superman hasn't been cut I suggested another possible reason for his greater durability. We already know that his bio aura makes him more durable than most.

We know WHY Superman is durable....

Originally posted by llagrok
We know WHY Superman is durable....

Without considering the obvious? His sub atomic density? Without considering one of the main reasons he (as well as many other super heroes) has super strength and durability? Without considering why he doesn't have to look like the Hulk to make planets shake or rip through super structures like they're made of cardboard?

Originally posted by Allankles
Without considering the obvious? His sub atomic density? Without considering one of the main reasons he (as well as many other super heroes) has super strength and durability? Without considering why he doesn't have to look like the Hulk to make planets shake or rip through super structures like they're made of cardboard?

Point?

Actually WWH is more durable than Superman.

Why? Because of regerative capabilities that surpass Wolverine's, that is constantly amped by rage.

So although Hulk's durability is just below Superman's in physical toughness, he's beyond Superman in cellular damage repair speed and far beyond Superman in cellular repair potency(rate of speed). This is why even regular savage Hulk has taken the best shots from top tiers in comics.

Near Superman toughness + Beyond Wolverine Regen + Inexhaustable Endurance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superman Durablility in the long run each and every time. The Best Superman can hope for is an early BFR or KO vs Savage Hulk, much less WWH.

Same goes for Thanos, one of the most durable characters ever. and Thor is right behind him.

Its Superman who has been shown to exhaust stored energies time and time again. He is a solar battery.

If it's inexhaustible, then why did it run out against the Sentry?

Face it, Hulk's power is CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

Without highly specific events happening, the Hulk wouldn't come close to reaching those levels. You have no evidence that the Hulk can reach end WWH levels on his own. We have evidence that he can not do it without help.

WTF?
"circumstantial"?

you mean like when somebody pisses him off, like say in a fight or something?

Hulk's strength has EXCEEDED WWH levels, many times. when destroying Onslaught, when holding together a planet, when smashing a planetoid twice the size of earth, when ripping the "Celestial Flame" (supposedly a device designed to fight the Celestials), when punching through the timestream, when smashing the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, when ripping apart the anti-matter attraction ...

only a born idiot would actually attempt to suggest that Hulk somehow cannot get stronger than a given level, when Marvel comics has - FROM DAY ONE - been hammering home the point that his strength is LIMITLESS.

Originally posted by Avlon
Anyone can "step" to a more powerful opponent and run away. Not impressive.

Which proves my point. By simply turning off his cosmic awareness..he got his ass kicked, thus had to turn it back on to win.

Winning with infinite power is hardly impressive. 🙂

You wanna know what a badass is. A badass is someone who lowers his powers to give the good guys a chance. He met the universes remaining chmapions one on one and let them battle him. He still stomped them while his powers were lowered. Fact.

He turned up his powers after he defeated them all except America who served as a distraction for the Surfer to come and take the gems. He willed back his powers to face the abstracts.

He beat them as well. 😛

Winning when you face all of the universes' champions is very impressive. He even depowered himself and still won.

Sirius he didnt battle the jsa. He escaped to save a life. They werent trying to beat him but instead contain him. Context.

Originally posted by Allankles
Are you kidding me?

Regular Superman is more durable than WWH.

Regular Superman is more durable than Thor.

Orion's durability is on the same level if not greater than Thor's/

KC Supes >> Regular Supes >> WWH

KC Supes >> Regular Supes >> Thor.

So three characters in team 2 with equal or greater durability than Thor and WWH on top of the speed factor.

Thanos > Superman but KC Supes has greater durability than Supes too so it evens out.

Wonder Woman is no slouch either when it comes to durability for blunt force trauma.

I agree that Superman is more durable than Thor but then again Thor is more powerful than Superman. Regular Supes has more impressive feats by a mile.

WW Hulk has a healing factor that equates him with being able to take more damage than either Superman imo.

Thanos and feats>>>KC Superman. He would destroy him.

WW couldnt take much from any of the other team.

Orion would be dealt wit easily by Thanos. He destroys top tiers.

Originally posted by llagrok
If it's inexhaustible, then why did it run out against the Sentry?

Face it, Hulk's power is CIRCUMSTANTIAL.

Without highly specific events happening, the Hulk wouldn't come close to reaching those levels. You have no evidence that the Hulk can reach end WWH levels on his own. We have evidence that he can not do it without help.

Hulk doesn't belong. At all. He would get speedblitzed to death.

Originally posted by moonknight11
Hulk doesn't belong. At all. He would get speedblitzed to death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos set up a challenge for himself against someone near Galactus level. He proved to himself he could combat him and then left after he got what he came for and faced off against him. Its almost as if you didnt read the story at all.

Funny..I have the book and yet you missed the part where Thanos almost lost his head and needed help against Morg. Guess Morg is >/= Thanos too.

Plenty of characters challenge more powerful characters and live to tell the tale. Nothing impressive on Thanos part there since he ran away.

Superman faced a sun eater and lived to tell the tale.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You wanna know what a badass is. A badass is someone who lowers his powers to give the good guys a chance. He met the universes remaining chmapions one on one and let them battle him. He still stomped them while his powers were lowered. Fact.

He simply turned off his cosmic awareness, but still had the infinite power of the gauntlet. Yet he still managed to be briefly KO'd and nearly had the IG stolen from him twice.

That's far from badass. Badass is SBP beating the sh*t out of the Earth's heroes on his own from just a sliver of sunlight touching his hand.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He turned up his powers after he defeated them all except America who served as a distraction for the Surfer to come and take the gems. He willed back his powers to face the abstracts.

He willed his powers back when he realized what an idiot he was to turn them off and nearly lose the IG. Turn off your rose tinted thanos goggles.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He beat them as well. 😛

So has every other IG holder. Big deal. Aunt may would wreck them with the IG. It's an IG feat, not a Thanos one.