Batman R.I.P.

Or
R-Ra's al Ghul

Originally posted by Darth Vicious
The gang of nobodies beating the crap out of

Spoiler:
Alfred

it reminded me when

Spoiler:
Jarvis

got the crap beaten out of him by the Masters of Evil.. Anyways, Im curious were they are going with all this and why is Bats letting his guard down with that woman. Specially since her name is Jezebel!

No offense, but that's the kind of attitude that forces writer to constantly recycle villains over and over again.

I'd much rather see Batman fight a new villain, instead of the joker 😐

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
Or
R-Ra's al Ghul

ermm

I'm just going to follow the story to see what Morrison pulls.

Here are the popular theories at this time:

"Alfred is Bruce's real father and had Thomas and Martha killed. Then he stole the fortune and turned Bruce into Batman"

"Thomas Wayne was the original Batman" (that's for the continuity nut jobs)

"Jezebel is the TRUE child of Thomas and Martha and has return to have her revenge on Alfred for having her parents killed"

My theory?

"Martha cheated on Thomas with Alfred and Bruce is a bastard child. Then R.I.P will conclude with Joker pulling a Maury Povich and say to Alfred....."YOU ARE THE FATHER"

How strange that for all his time the Joker won't get the last laugh, after all since they are two sides of the same coin and joker lives only to fight bats, it will be strange to see a new villain (black glove) take him down! (black glove, related to black mask by any chance?)

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
How strange that for all his time the Joker won't get the last laugh, after all since they are two sides of the same coin and joker lives only to fight bats, it will be strange to see a new villain (black glove) take him down! (black glove, related to black mask by any chance?)

IGN: The Joker has always seen Batman as his prize and his prize alone. How will the Joker react to someone trying to his "job" better than he can, as Batman points out in the DC Universe Zero scene?

Morrison: I think readers are going to enjoy seeing exactly how he reacts. [laughs]

IGN: He certainly hasn't played nice with these types of groups before, so is his relationship with the Club of Villains going to be more antagonistic than anything?

Morrison: Well it's going to be more than that. Basically, when we see Joker's actual relationship with the Club of Villains, that's the moment where we unleash the character again. So it's a big moment for the Joker. I'm not going to tell you anything more than that. [laughs]

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf

Spoiler:
Alfred betrays Bruce

Leave it to Morrison/Didio to make the final decision. 🙄

What does that even mean ?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
2 issues? Oh. I must've missed the first one, because I got teh new one thinking it was the first.

Anyway, I dislike minis that cover like 4 different books (Batman, Batman/Superman, Robin, Nightwing, etc.). It's a money-making scam. But I promised myself I'd splurge a bit around FC time to stay up on everything, so meh.

Seems a bit anti-climactic so far.

Spoiler:
I can't really get excited about a group of villains I've never heard of before. The story's fine and Morrison is doing fine convincing me that Bats is in real trouble, but I'm still just kinda like "eh" when I see a bunch of no-name Circus Gang rejects infiltrating the Batcave. Joker better be behind this or something.

Except the only relevant part is the Morison written Batman title. Don't read all the Crisis tie ins, just the ones written by decent writers. If its not written by Rucka, Morison, Metzler or Geoff Johns don't bother with it.

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
IGN: The Joker has always seen Batman as his prize and his prize alone. How will the Joker react to someone trying to his "job" better than he can, as Batman points out in the DC Universe Zero scene?

Morrison: I think readers are going to enjoy seeing exactly how he reacts. [laughs]

IGN: He certainly hasn't played nice with these types of groups before, so is his relationship with the Club of Villains going to be more antagonistic than anything?

Morrison: Well it's going to be more than that. Basically, when we see Joker's actual relationship with the Club of Villains, that's the moment where we unleash the character again. So it's a big moment for the Joker. I'm not going to tell you anything more than that. [laughs]

Awesome.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
During some interviews Didio said something about the clue lies in the R.I.P.

R could mean Robin.

I could mean Ivy.

P could mean Pennyworth.

dur

You may be right. Some of the promos that went out had I am Batman under Nightwing

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
You may be right. Some of the promos that went out had I am Batman under Nightwing

And a couple of others as well, e.g. Jason Todd, Tim Drake and Tommy Elliot....

Also this part of the interview ..

IGN: What's your take on the Bruce Wayne/Batman relationship? When you started your run with "Batman and Son," we saw a more light-hearted take on Bruce, where he was almost a fun-loving James Bond character. Now, we're starting to see him regress to the darker, troubled character that's more recognizable to modern readers. How do you see the relationship between Bruce and Batman?

Morrison: Bruce Wayne and Batman are inseparable, but in Batman's eyes, Bruce is often a persona or mask that he has to use. I still think that Bruce and Batman are the same guy, but only Batman himself can maybe see that Bruce is a little different – he tries to act differently as Bruce. He imagines this is the person he might have turned out to be, which would have been more light-hearted and a lot more witty. Because that's the guy he is and has always been. So I think it's Batman himself who actually splits the personality, because Bruce and Batman are really the exact same person. Batman carries out the need for Bruce to avenge his parents and put order into the world or whatever. But it's the same guy, and maybe getting him to realize that is the important thing. That's a big step for Batman.

.. made my worries of him ruining Batman for me fade away 🙂

It would of been cool if Bruce could of been the spectre for awhile, But it'll never happen.

Could of shown him spend a day with his parents in the afterlife before being picked to fill the role.

DC could play it as he struggles with the thought at first cause after talking to his parents he's got his closure and doesn't want to enforce or clean up the streets anymore.

Then expand on that at him watching Nightwing and everyone settle into their new roles and life without Bruce.

Then the reveal of Bruce being the spectres new host after a few months to them like have spectre come to get some guy in Gotham and confrontation with his proteges and the reveal. Then he could come give them advice every now and again and help out rarely like Hal used to for Ollie & Kyle.

You could play it out loads of different ways like Joker going catatonic or anti-hero with bruces death then discovering Bruce is spectres new host he would start to dabble in the arcane and murder and kidknap sorcerers and magic users to get Spectres/Bruces attention maybe even team up with Elicpso for a new event.

Play once more on the Hal/Bruce love hate relationship have Bruce go to Hal for advice on how to deal with situations and the powers as it will be new to Bruce. Crispus can either be written out, become a villain somehow or give the odd bits of advice here and there too.

It would be cool for a while but obviously the fans will not bode well with it and want him back to being bats in 6 months and DC will have to follow the money.

question. what do you think the jokers connection is to all this so far?

Originally posted by llagrok
No offense, but that's the kind of attitude that forces writer to constantly recycle villains over and over again.

I'd much rather see Batman fight a new villain, instead of the joker 😐

Not sure what u meant. All I said was that the scene reminded me of the scene in the Avengers way back.

As for the villains, I would like someone new that can stand up to Bats not only in skills but in mind as well. Maybe there is, I dont follow Bats as much as I would like.

for such a big event i think Joker should be a big part of it, it's only fair taking into account there relationship.

Originally posted by Neo Darkhalen
for such a big event i think Joker should be a big part of it, it's only fair taking into account there relationship.

He will be for sure, but is it going to be the "he is mine to kill" moment when he turns on bats enemy?

Originally posted by Darth Vicious

As for the villains, I would like someone new that can stand up to Bats not only in skills but in mind as well. Maybe there is, I dont follow Bats as much as I would like.

I love Joker as much as the next guy, he's one of my favorite characters, but as a longtime huge fan of Batman, Ras really is his best baddie.

Best as in ?

Originally posted by Erik-Lensherr
Best as in ?

Match Batman in nearly everything ? Considering his resources, experience and training over the centuries, yeah.

I don't find him the most interesting villain in Batman's rogue gallery, at all. Joker, written well, is by far more interesting than him. Two Face also. But then again, this is subjective.