Where did God come from?
This is a question that I have been asked more times than I can count... Where did God come from? He couldn't have always been here, so where did he come from? Well lets think about this:
We are constrained by time, everything has a beginning, every thing has an end. But why does God have to be? Remove time from the equation. This is eternity, no beginning and no end, and this is, I believe, where God resides.
Debate please.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Who says he exists in the first place?
Exactly. Saying that God "resides in" the universe, or is the universe, feels wonderful and all...but it's equivalent to saying that a god doesn't exist. If everything is the ineffable divine, nothing is, and it's just a needlessly mystical title for deterministic physical forces.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Who says he exists in the first place?
Touche'. I did, however neglected to add the words "IF there is a God" into the "Where did he come from" statement. my apologies.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Exactly. Saying that God "resides in" the universe, or is the universe, feels wonderful and all...but it's equivalent to saying that a god doesn't exist. If everything is the ineffable divine, nothing is, and it's just a needlessly mystical title for deterministic physical forces.
Elaborate, please.
Re: Where did God come from?
Originally posted by Kapton JAC
This is a question that I have been asked more times than I can count... Where did God come from? He couldn't have always been here, so where did he come from? Well lets think about this:We are constrained by time, everything has a beginning, every thing has an end. But why does God have to be? Remove time from the equation. This is eternity, no beginning and no end, and this is, I believe, where God resides.
Debate please.
To discuss this meaningfully you have to decide on what God is. Once you have decided what version of God you're using the answer is already set.
Re: Where did God come from?
Originally posted by Kapton JAC
This is a question that I have been asked more times than I can count... Where did God come from? He couldn't have always been here, so where did he come from? Well lets think about this:We are constrained by time, everything has a beginning, every thing has an end. But why does God have to be? Remove time from the equation. This is eternity, no beginning and no end, and this is, I believe, where God resides.
Debate please.
The logical definition of God is something that fulfills the requirement of being the first point of causation, creation, and motion. Logically for effect to exist, there must be a first; uncausable, cause. For all things created there must be an uncreateable Creator, and for all things to be in motion, there must be an immovable first mover. Logically something with the qualities of God must exist: uncreatable, uncausable, and immovable, therefore eternal.
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Originally posted by Transfinitumyou speak in riddles. all that does is confuse people. it enlightens no one, except maybe your deranged self. come back when ur not speaking in tongues 😛
The logical definition of God is something that fulfills the requirement of being the first point of causation, creation, and motion. Logically for effect to exist, there must be a first; uncausable, cause. For all things created there must be an uncreateable Creator, and for all things to be in motion, there must be an immovable first mover. Logically [b] something with the qualities of God must exist: uncreatable, uncausable, and immovable, therefore eternal. [/B]
Re: Where did God come from?
Originally posted by Kapton JAC
This is a question that I have been asked more times than I can count... Where did God come from? He couldn't have always been here, so where did he come from? Well lets think about this:We are constrained by time, everything has a beginning, every thing has an end. But why does God have to be? Remove time from the equation. This is eternity, no beginning and no end, and this is, I believe, where God resides.
Debate please.
It would seem that we cannot see the forest for the trees.
God is everywhere. You cannot be separate from God, because you are part of God. The universe is a living being that you are a part of.
This is simply my personal belief. I could be wrong.
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Originally posted by Shakyamunisonuh are you saying existance is god? thats a logical paradox to me. to me id say that the universe itself is god. it has always been. makes a shitload more sense than someone who is supposedly all powerful, yet needs 6 days to create the planet. never mentions the universe. who provides humans with the fasade of free will. honestly i bet the writer of the bible wrote all that as a joke. and it worked.
It would seem that we cannot see the forest for the trees.God is everywhere. You cannot be separate from God, because you are part of God. The universe is a living being that you are a part of.
This is simply my personal belief. I could be wrong.
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Originally posted by chickenlover98
uh are you saying existance is god? thats a logical paradox to me. to me id say that the universe itself is god. it has always been. makes a shitload more sense than someone who is supposedly all powerful, yet needs 6 days to create the planet. never mentions the universe. who provides humans with the fasade of free will. honestly i bet the writer of the bible wrote all that as a joke. and it worked.
If you think about it;
1. The universe created us. It create all the stars and planets and life. The universe created all of this by coming into existence.
2. We have free will, and we have that because we are alive.
3. One day the universe will destroy us. It's billions of years into the future, but the sun will die. Even further into the future, the universe my rip its self apart, and us with it.
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Originally posted by chickenlover98
uh are you saying existance is god? thats a logical paradox to me. to me id say that the universe itself is god. it has always been. makes a shitload more sense than someone who is supposedly all powerful, yet needs 6 days to create the planet. never mentions the universe. who provides humans with the fasade of free will. honestly i bet the writer of the bible wrote all that as a joke. and it worked.
Who says God NEEDED 6 days? Maybe God just wanted to make it in six days. And, as I have said before, what is a God day? To us, a day is 24 hours, one rotation of this planet. Were someone on Mercury a day would be approx. 58 earth days, the time of one rotation of that planet. So, as far as we know, a day to God could be .25 seconds or 25,000 years.
Originally posted by Transfinitum
The logical definition of God is something that fulfills the requirement of being the first point of causation, creation, and motion. Logically for effect to exist, there must be a first; uncausable, cause. For all things created there must be an uncreateable Creator, and for all things to be in motion, there must be an immovable first mover. Logically [b] something with the qualities of God must exist: uncreatable, uncausable, and immovable, therefore eternal. [/B]
He speaks the truth.
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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you think about it;
1. The universe created us. It create all the stars and planets and life. The universe created all of this by coming into existence.
2. We have free will, and we have that because we are alive.
3. One day the universe will destroy us. It's billions of years into the future, but the sun will die. Even further into the future, the universe my rip its self apart, and us with it.