just to throw this out there Traya said in 3951 BBY that there are force techniques with which there is no defense or whatever but it's possible that by 19 BBY nearly 4000 years later that "the most devastating foe the darkside has ever seen" or any other Jedi master in that 4000 year time span could have discovered a way to defend against some if not all of those attacks?
just throwing that out there
Think about this: in JA, and i think in KOTOR itself, there are defensive measures for defending against force drain. (especially in JA) In fact, any jedi or sith has those measures to defend themselves in that game, So if Jaden Korr can defend himself from force drain, doesn't it make sense that Yoda could?
Mebbe has something to do with that 4000 year gap, maybe its common sense for Force Users now. But it IS defendable. mabye the masters from KOTOR just didn't know how.
Originally posted by truejediDefense against Force Drain in JA was a game mechanic so Drain didn't become overpowered.
Think about this: in JA, and i think in KOTOR itself, there are defensive measures for defending against force drain. (especially in JA) In fact, any jedi or sith has those measures to defend themselves in that game, So if Jaden Korr can defend himself from force drain, doesn't it make sense that Yoda could?
Mebbe has something to do with that 4000 year gap, maybe its common sense for Force Users now. But it IS defendable. mabye the masters from KOTOR just didn't know how.
She doesn't DRAIN them, she severs them from the Force and their inability to persist without it is their death.What about this is so difficult? I've said it constantly
Good point, thanks.
just to throw this out there Traya said in 3951 BBY that there are force techniques with which there is no defense or whatever but it's possible that by 19 BBY nearly 4000 years later that "the most devastating foe the darkside has ever seen" or any other Jedi master in that 4000 year time span could have discovered a way to defend against some if not all of those attacks?
Possible, not provable.
Originally posted by Lord Saboteur
Defense against Force Drain in JA was a game mechanic so Drain didn't become overpowered.
that would make force drain itself a game mechanic in KOTOR. (follow the logic.) if what we call force drain in JA is not real (because if absorb is fake, then so is drain, you can't have that both ways in JA) then we have no idea what Traya is doing to the Jedi in KOTOR. It could quite easily be orange lightning. We assume its drain because we have seen drain... where? Jedi Academy, and it had a name there. Or, because we have a similar looking attack that we can acquire on KOTOR, but ONLY as a game-play mechanic, which you have chosen to dismiss as evidence. So throwing out ALL game-play mechanics, what do you call the attack Traya uses on the jedi?
Nice try Lightsnake with the "seperation from the force" theory, but where are you getting your substantiation for that one?
i'm bringing this back up, b/c i wonder if anyone agrees with my last post there. How do we know that Traya used any sort of force drain on the Jedi Masters? we assume because OUR force drain in the game is a similar looking attack. However, that force drain is a GAMEPLAY MECHANIC. So if you throw out the gameplay mechanics, what makes us think it was drain that she used on them? is there any other source confirming it?
Originally posted by LightsnakeDo most PT jedi know this technique though? And i don't see how she can sever a stronger force user off the force as easily as she did to three nobodies.
Actually, considering that Tholme can sever and reconnect from the Force, as other Jedi of the order can, Traya's attack loses a bit of its kick.KOTOR 2's 'JEDI SUCK WITHOUT TEH FORCE!' nonsense is just...absurd
Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11O rly? Tell me what was so special about zez kai ell then? We know absolutely nothing about him, no feats no statements and no demonstration of combat prowess. I called him(or them) nobodies because they have not actually demonstarted anything impressive combat wise nor shown remarkable strength in the force.
Another falacy on your part. They were not "nobodies".
So much for "not wanting to waste your time" huh?
Originally posted by truejediExactly what LS said it is.
So throwing out ALL game-play mechanics, what do you call the attack Traya uses on the jedi?
Nice try Lightsnake with the "seperation from the force" theory, but where are you getting your substantiation for that one?It's not a theory, it's canon fact. That's exactly how she describes it in the game. Hell, that's one of the main themes of the game: people getting cut off from the Force. It happens to the Exile [whom Nihilus is basically a monstrous parallel of], it happens to Traya at the hands of Nihilus, and it happens to the three Jedi Masters when they try to execute the Exile. She wants them to see the world through the Exile's eyes, so she severs their connection to the Force.
Really, play the game before tossing out arguments like this.
Originally posted by Faunus
Exactly what LS said it is.
It's not a theory, it's canon fact. That's exactly how she describes it in the game. Hell, that's one of the main themes of the game: people getting cut off from the Force. It happens to the Exile [whom Nihilus is basically a monstrous parallel of], it happens to Traya at the hands of Nihilus, and it happens to the three Jedi Masters when they try to execute the Exile. She wants them to see the world through the Exile's eyes, so she severs their connection to the Force.Really, play the game before tossing out arguments like this.
i have played the game more than once. They don't try to execute the exile. If they attack you, you kill them, if you submit to the punishement, they try to cut you off from the force. I believe that darkside is canon for the exile? am i right? if i am, then Traya never attacks the masters in the first place. If its light side ending that is canon, then n/m. I thought it was lightside for KOTOR , and darkside for KOTOR 2 though.
People make claims of traya's "drain" skill all throughout this forum. Don't mind me for attacking that one. I didn't realize it was a quote Lightsnake, that's why i was asking for substantiation.
Faunus, interesting you accuse me of not playing the game for one detailed quote i didn't remember, and in the next breath you reference an "execution" that never took place in the scenario in which Traya attacks the masters.
One more question on it though: and this was kinda my point. Where do we get the idea that force drain is real, if force absorb, or force protect, or w/e isn't real. Its a genuine question. What other sources do we have for force drain other than games in which they are optional such as JA, or the KOTORS. The source should have the words "force drain" otherwise we can't prove one actually exists.
Light side is the canonical path for both KOTOR games, actually. Kreia performs what is considered an elevated and distorted version of "Force Drain". This allowed her to sever the force connections of the Jedi while simultaneously exhausting them, causing all three Jedi Masters to perish instantly.
but how do we know to call it force drain? the only proof we have of that comes from the game, when you are selecting attacks, all of those are gameplay mechanics, and can't be considered canon. I don't know of one quote from any novelization that references a
"force drain"
Does anyone else know such a reference?