Originally posted by Blax_Hydralisk
"[Han Solo, as a teenager], fought against three other human fighters much larger than himself. Solo somehow managed to defeat the other gladiators in unarmed combat... "Wookiepedia.
And that was before he joined the Empire and recieved military combat training. So... yeah.
I know nothing about Kirk though, so I'll withhold judgment.
Look above, Kirks fights and holds his own against far more physically powerful foes like Vulcans, Klingon, Gorns and several other aliens.
Even when he was an old fat mad and thrown in jail, he beat a 7-1/2 tall hulking alien in a prison fight with no weapons. (ST6)
Edit: Also of note, Kirk is military trained in hand-to-hand also.
6 out of 10? You're ****ing insane.
In the original series episode "Space Seed", where Khan is first introduced, Kirk beats him in a fight, barely beats him, but he pulls a win. Khan is about five times stronger than an average human and has greatly increased speed and stamina. WTF has Solo done?
KHANN-NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
I think Kirk's record of besting far more powerful foes would qualify as that too. So that's wash.
Unless of course, you count the time Han was captured like a little *****, frozen and turn into a decoration. Then had to wait for a woman to rescue him, not sure that counts as "always beating the odds".
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
A smuggler vs. a military soldier.Kirk takes it.
Error.
A crafty smuggler vs. a peaceful deep space explorer
Starfleet is at best a Defense force...their primary directive is peaceful space exploration.
Still, I'm undecided....I'm leaning towards Kirk because of his fighting feats/record.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Error.A crafty smuggler vs. a peaceful deep space explorer
Starfleet is at best a Defense force...their primary directive is peaceful space exploration.
Still, I'm undecided....I'm leaning towards Kirk because of his fighting feats/record.
Despite the Enterprises' peaceful mission status, the personal are militarily trained, as space exploration in dangerous in the ST universe.
Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong, Star Fleet isn't "at best a defense force", they're proven their offensive capabilites in all of the varies shows and movies.Despite the Enterprises' peaceful mission status, the personal are militarily trained, as space exploration in dangerous in the ST universe.
You see, we don't disagree on what you said above. You didn't contradict me either. doped *
My statement was in terms as it relates to the word "military". So, from a military perspective, Starfleet is at best a defense force. I stated that to show that it is NOT primarily a military force, but a peaceful organization of science and exploration.
Observe:
"Its principal functions were the advancement of Federation knowledge about the galaxy and its inhabitants, the advancement of Federation knowledge of science and technology, and the military defense of the Federation."
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Starfleet
"Starfleet has been shown to handle diplomatic, scientific, and defense missions, although their main mandate seems to be peaceful exploration in the search of sentient life."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfleet
Starfleet's military might is NOT intended for offense, but to keep from getting raped.
*I just wanted to use that smilie because I think its funny...that's why it seems out of place. doped
Edit-dude, I'm a Star Trek nerd as well. I get flak from the Star Wars fans. They say its like being a fan of OSU and OU.
Originally posted by RobtardHe was captured by VADER, man. VADER.
I think Kirk's record of besting far more powerful foes would qualify as that too. So that's wash.Unless of course, you count the time Han was captured like a little *****, frozen and turn into a decoration. Then had to wait for a woman to rescue him, not sure that counts as "always beating the odds".
Originally posted by Robtard
Face it (and admit) that Kirk has the backing in winning a hand-to-hand here, Kirk could even beat Solo in pulling chicks.
Kirk ****ed a green-skinned woman. ✅
Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He was captured by VADER, man. VADER.
Technically, sir, he was captured by the entire Empire.
Vader was merely the host of events to come.
Not to mention that Lando sold him out.
Han by a nose, and here's why:
Kirk had PIS on his side whenever he needed it. Much like Superman, writers made Kirk as tough, fast, strong and smart as he needed to be to:
A. Get the girl
B. Overshadow Spock
C. Defeat the villain.
Hans had to be tougher to survive in the Star Wars universe. There, everyone dies. Good, evil, or anti-hero (Han).
Also Han was much more ruthless. He"d definitely shoot first. And he'dve violated the Prime Directive countless times just because it benefited him to do so.
Hans toughness outlasts Kirk's aura. Just barely.
Everyone dies in the ST universe too, though I doubt your original point is valid in this fight. It amounts to "Han wins, just cuz".
This is a fist fight, so your "shoot first" is also not valid. Of mention, Kirk is not your standard Star Fleet captain, he's isn't very diplomatic.
How does Han's "toughness outlast Kirk's aura"? I've given several examples of Kirk beating, outlasting and enduring far more powerful foes. Khan being one of them. Aura, wtf?
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Straight up fight? Han! Han Solo seems to be the one more likely to not fight fair/fight dirty.Someone said the carbonite freezing contradicts the fact Han Solo always beats the odds? He survived it! He was rescued from it! What are the odds of that?
Your "Han solo seems" is no match for what Kirk has done.
It was his prison, he was supposed to survive it as Jabba wanted Solo alive. So there goes that.