Originally posted by Devil King
And now that they've served their short-term purpose, the Republicans seem to be doing everything they can to sweep the fundies under the rug.
indeed
it seems when it comes to religion and politics, words speak much louder than actions
after campaigning in churches as Jesus in a 3 piece, politicians rarely ever behave as a Christian in office. Its actually really sad that such a large portion of the population is duped.
Then again, Terry Schiavo...
Originally posted by Devil King
Somewhere between your position and Strangelove's position has to be the truth. Either you're right and the evangelicals turned out in massive numbers and won Bush the presidency or Strangelove is most on target with the notion that the the entire center was duped into being scared and thinking Bush was going to pull a Batman and save us single-handedly. If we were talking about 2000 elections, I might say you were right, but for 2004 elections, I would say he was right. Either way, I'd love to see some numbers. Some difinitive, unbiased numbers.What worked in both of Mr. Bush's elections was that his team was able to get so many people in this country to feel ashamed of their progess in the 90's by turning it into some pact with the devil and guilting us over Bill Clinton getting a blowjob.
Washington post said that Bush won 79% of the 26.5 mil evangelical voters and 52% of the 31 mil catholic vote.
Or roughly 35 mil votes. Trying to find how much of the center he won and I'll post that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32793-2004Nov7.html
Interesting to note: Many polls put the number of evangelicals in USA at 100 mil (about 1/3 of the population) but only 26.5 mil of them voted in 2004. (or identified themselves as such in the polling)
Imagine if they could all be mobilized...they would be the single largest voting bloc.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Trying to find how much of the center he won and I'll post that.Imagine if they could all be mobilized...they would be the single largest voting bloc.
I look forward to your overall numbers post, as that's what I'm actually addressing.
I don't have to imagine them all being mobilized. I saw it in the 2000 elections. You're free to argue that wasn't the numbers represented in your figures, but there's no doubt in my mind or in my experience that the 2000 elections were decided by involving non-taxed, non-federal or state institutions like churches.
And in case anyone was wondering, I thought that the "forum" tonight was an absolute mockery of the process. This wasn't a "forum" for discussion. It was a presidential debate presented to us like a fireside chat. Obama twisted in the wind for an hour while John McCain was given the chance to work out his very careful and catered responses. What's more, for the first time I am concerned about Mr. Obama being the nominee over Mrs. Clinton. I understand he was addressing an audience for which his responses would have to be tailored, but Mrs. Clinton would have squashed the idea of this kind of setting before it got off the ground.
I think we should rule out Romney.
Originally posted by sithsaber408
Washington post said that Bush won 79% of the 26.5 mil evangelical voters and 52% of the 31 mil catholic vote.Or roughly 35 mil votes. Trying to find how much of the center he won and I'll post that.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32793-2004Nov7.html
Interesting to note: Many polls put the number of evangelicals in USA at 100 mil (about 1/3 of the population) but only 26.5 mil of them voted in 2004. (or identified themselves as such in the polling)
Imagine if they could all be mobilized...they would be the single largest voting bloc.
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