Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Islam was the first religion to give women the right to divorce and own property.
And this proves me wrong than many Islamic traditions are repressive toward women? I wish people would start understanding that anecdotes aren't evidence.
It is true that Islam did a lot for women's rights compared to what they were before the time of Mohammad. But compared to today's standards in civilized countries, yes it is repressive.
Congrats, though. Might win you 400 bucks on Jeopardy someday.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That doesn't make any sense. In the time of the Greeks, women could divorce and own property.
I'm talking religion, homes. Not a race/ethnicity.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
And this proves me wrong than many Islamic traditions are repressive toward women? I wish people would start understanding that anecdotes aren't evidence.It is true that Islam did a lot for women's rights compared to what they were before the time of Mohammad. But compared to today's standards in civilized countries, yes it is repressive.
Congrats, though. Might win you 400 bucks on Jeopardy someday.
Then I guess you believe what the biased US news tells you about Islam. When you see a Muslim woman wearing a hijab, do you think she's being forced to? Because the males in her family make her? No its a choice completely of her own free will.
One could argue that her choice to do so stems from being a member of a repressive society that brought her up a certain way, but that's a whole other can of worms and not all Islamic communities are like that.
I have other sources besides the media that have informed me of women in certain societies in the Middle East that have to live a certain way out of fear of abuse, not because they choose to.
So I think if I were to see your hypothetical Muslim woman, it would have to depend on that particular individual whether she was practicing Muslim traditions by choice or out of coersion.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Then I guess you believe what the biased US news tells you about Islam. When you see a Muslim woman wearing a hijab, do you think she's being forced to? Because the males in her family make her? No its a choice completely of her own free will.
Alright, then it's a cultural thing, and religion is most of their culture. Are you really trying to say that Islamic culture is progressive toward women? Once again, you're taking a single point and trying to make a rash generalizaiton from it. Doesn't work that way.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Alright, then it's a cultural thing, and religion is most of their culture. Are you really trying to say that Islamic culture is progressive toward women? Once again, you're taking a single point and trying to make a rash generalizaiton from it. Doesn't work that way.
The iranian revolution saw women take to the streets violently for their right to wear the hajib and burka
also, Sharia law, compared to other religions, is very pro-woman.
Not arguing your point, I agree that the practice of Islam is very anti-woman and the Qu'ran is highly patriarchical, just there is something to be said when comparing Islamic scripture to biblical scripture about the role of women
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Alright, then it's a cultural thing, and religion is most of their culture. Are you really trying to say that Islamic culture is progressive toward women? Once again, you're taking a single point and trying to make a rash generalizaiton from it. Doesn't work that way.
Religion and culture are not coterminous. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, but a secular democracy.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then Buddhism was way ahead of all other religions. Buddha allowed women to join as nuns in his religion 500 years before Jesus was born.
Buddhism has nuns? As in they have to virgins, etc? And do they also wear orange and shave their heads?
Originally posted by inimalist
The iranian revolution saw women take to the streets violently for their right to wear the hajib and burkaalso, Sharia law, compared to other religions, is very pro-woman.
Not arguing your point, I agree that the practice of Islam is very anti-woman and the Qu'ran is highly patriarchical, just there is something to be said when comparing Islamic scripture to biblical scripture about the role of women
Fair enough. My point was always that they are a "net repressive" compared to modern standards, not that good points don't exist in such cultures.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Religion and culture are not coterminous. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, but a secular democracy.
My point was always that they are a "net repressive" compared to modern standards, not that good points don't exist in such cultures. You changed the point of argument to suit your purposes.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Religion and culture are not coterminous. Turkey is almost entirely Muslim, but a secular democracy.Buddhism has nuns? As in they have to virgins, etc? And do they also wear orange and shave their heads?
I don't know what the nuns, that followed Buddha while he was alive, wore or their hair styles.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I didn't try to suit any purposes, because I don't have one. I pointed out that you're wrong about Islam.
Except that I'm not, because "My point was always that they are a "net repressive" compared to modern standards, not that good points don't exist in such cultures."
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That doesn't make any sense. In the time of the Greeks, women could divorce and own property.
No Athenian woman could divorce and she could certainly not own property- I am unsure about other Greek cultures but I believe it was the same.
Roman women could divorce and indeed could own property- they were still subservient though.
Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
No Athenian woman could divorce and she could certainly not own property- I am unsure about other Greek cultures but I believe it was the same.Roman women could divorce and indeed could own property- they were still subservient though.
I guess being partly right is better then being completely wrong. 😉