Confession

Originally posted by Transfinitum
Still the fact that the priest should never break the confidentiality of the confessional holds.

How does that refer to what I said?

Originally posted by Transfinitum
Well I'm assuming that anyone who commits a heinous deed and goes and confesses it to his priest believes in heaven and the ramifications that would ensue if he did not confess, otherwise there would be no reason for him to confess.

Yes, but that person would get off free. While an innocent person would be forced to suffer by the priests silence. A person that could very well not believe in an afterlife. A person that could very well just have the one chance at happiness in this life.

Originally posted by Transfinitum
Or, as almost always is the case, the priest gives a penance that involves the criminal to turn himself/herself in, which has the added bonus of keeping in communion with the church. Also, any criminal that would go to confession would most likely follow the penance because, as I said before, they believe in Heaven and Hell, good and evil, holiness and sin.

If that works I agree. If it doesn't then the priest should bear wittness.

Originally posted by Transfinitum
It is a shame that you go so far as to twist my words. On the topic, I doubt anyone who goes and takes the vows of Holy Orders would ever want to leave the Church which they believe is the only mechanism to salvation

There are things bigger than once personal wishes. At least your church believes so. I am also not twisting your words. You said "It is far holier for a man to suffer through injustice, for his reward in heaven would be greater than the latter, in which a soul is cast out of salvation.". But why should an innocent person not related to the crime or the catholic church suffer through the injustice? Why not the priest instead, since he is the one that believes he will be rewarded?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
The priest isn't allowed to break Confession even if his life is at risk...so I'm not sure how the subpoena would be resolved.

However certain states have mandatory reporting laws for suspicion of child abuse and some list clergy amongst the professionals bound by these laws and privilege is specifically denied.

Originally posted by Robtard
I believe it's similar with lawyers who gain knowledge through a client confidentiality act,and can not reveal what they know, less they be disbarred. If that is relevant to this topic.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Even under subpoena a member of clergy can claim that an exchange was a privileged communication and thus cannot be divulged, however a communication has to meet certain requirements.

However certain states have mandatory reporting laws for suspicion of child abuse and some list clergy amongst the professionals bound by these laws and privilege is specifically denied.Under Common Law, Attorney-Client privilege falls under the same privileged communication legislation as clergy, marital and doctor iirc. Under English Law, I think it's the only form of privileged communications. Also iirc a lawyer cannot knowingly permit false testimony. Ergo defense lawyers may decline to know if their client is actually guilty.

That's a pretty good system so long as the church doesn't go apeshit over it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
certain states have mandatory reporting laws for suspicion of child abuse and some list clergy amongst the professionals bound by these laws

Ouch! Anyone else see the loophole there?

Originally posted by Devil King
It is less a matter of God hearing if for the first time and more a matter of the sinner being willing to admit to his own human frailty...

and continuing to remember their place and perpetuate the bent-knee subserivence of their human soul to the idea of a divinely-inspired, yet appalingly equally frail human hierarchy.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Yes, more proof that this god is full of human ego flaws. Now a man would subject his beings to grovel for his ego stoking, but a god wouldn't care. Therefore, this god is flawed with superiority issues such as narcissism or insecurity issues requiring a lessor being to perform to his/gods requirements that he/god created in the first place.

Its not about stroking God's ego, its about recognising and accepting an error you made.

Like when you have a child who does something wrong, it is required that they realize they did something wrong if they are to learn anything.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Its not about stroking God's ego, its about recognising and accepting an error you made.

Like when you have a child who does something wrong, it is required that they realize they did something wrong if they are to learn anything.

A human would never even consider such a punishment, especially an eternal torment for rebellion.

So, humans are more compassionate than a god?

A stern Father who plays by the rules.

Compassion? There is no crime you can commit that God won't forgive. That is compassion.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
A stern Father who plays by the rules.

Compassion? There is no crime you can commit that God won't forgive. That is compassion.

Originally posted by Bardock42
'cept the one of not searching his forgiveness.

As i said he has rules.

You have to admit you were accountable.

Its your choice, not his.

Originally posted by Devil King
Can psychiatrists reveal information about a murder? I can't recall.

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
As i said he has rules.

You have to admit you were accountable.

Its your choice, not his.

Hence humans are more compassionate than this god. If this god is perfect, then this god would by it's own writings according to the man made Bible, surpass the emotions of a mere human with all his humans flaws, yet this god doesn't. This god is inferior to the human father, which it created.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Hence humans are more compassionate than this god. If this god is perfect, then this god would by it's own writings according to the man made Bible, surpass the emotions of a mere human with all his humans flaws, yet this god doesn't. This god is inferior to the human father, which it created.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh STFU.

go sit in some corner somewhere. Mr. Lovely.

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Hence humans are more compassionate than this god. If this god is perfect, then this god would by it's own writings according to the man made Bible, surpass the emotions of a mere human with all his humans flaws, yet this god doesn't. This god is inferior to the human father, which it created.

Surely allowing your emotions to cloud your judgments is a big big flaw?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Surely allowing your emotions to cloud your judgments is a big big flaw?

Originally posted by Deja~vu
Does god have emotions?

It was your argument that he did.

The Bible stated that your god did/does. If god is love and love is an emotion then god has emotion. Just like the emotions of jealousy and hate which are stated in that Bible.

Surely allowing your emotions to cloud your judgments is a big big flaw?

I said allowing your emotions to cloud your judgment was a flaw.