Confession

Started by Devil King8 pages

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Well, I do owe you an apology. Based on the posts written by you that I have read, I assumed you were an atheist. That was wrong, and I'm sorry for that. If you stated what your beliefs are very early on in the thread, I'm afraid I missed them. Excuse me.

I like that you held onto my comment about being satisfied. Since I mentioned it in a completely different forum on this website, I don't think a lot of people here really get it, and I take no offense to it. Glad you remember me for something so positive.

I never said I am physically persecuted for being a Christian. What I said is that Christians are demeaned and ridiculed much more than atheists are, and what's more, the rest of the world welcomes it. Any other religion has the protection of political correctness. Schools and workplaces take great measures to make sure Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist and other non-Christian individuals are not offended by anything, but no such measures are made for Christian individuals. If that's not how it is in places other than the United States, clue me in, because while I've never lived in a foreign country I have traveled to many of them and have found that Christians are even more dismissed in the rest of the world.

I think you're being a little too sensitive to actually wish me dead...I find your rants that these giant, powerful Christians just pick on everyone else a little hard to swallow. I grew up in a secular school system, so I know many people with all kinds of belief systems and nobody ever picked on anyone. I have Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and atheist friends and I'm pretty sure none of them would ever say that I or any other Christian they know can't stand them just because of what they believe. It's how a person represents themselves that makes me like or dislike them and I think you're doing a pretty poor job of representing yourself and whatever your belief system is by wishing me to fall on my proverbial sword.

Someone defended my dumb comment and explained it....so you're the only one that's called it dumb so far. But once again, that's just you deciding to resort to name calling and death wishes. 🙄

Originally posted by willofthewisp
What?

Between when I posted it and now, Devil King is the only one that really argued with me on the divinity issue, so that's not wrong.

You really consider anything that's said on a forum a blow to someone else? Devil King has his opinions and I have mine. There is no right and wrong here unless people resort to attacking the person rather than the post. Devil King seems to like resorting to keep referring to something I said in the general discussion post and wishing me to fall on a sword and die. That's wrong.

You don't owe me an apology, you owe the world the courtesy of not living in your two-sided, blak and white glass house. Of course you assumed I was an atheist, because, as I said, I don't buy into the divinity of Jesus, so I'm not a Christian, which means I must be an atheist. Creation vs Evolution, black and white, Christian vs atheist(et al).

Oh, I did hold on to the satisfied comment, because it serves as one of the 4 dumb things that I've read and constitute the foolishness of your perspective. 1 you're boyfriend satisfies you, which was out of context and irrelevant to the topic, even if had been accusing you of being a lesbian. Which I was not. 2 To discuss Jesus, you have to at least accept the premise of his divinity. 3 Christians are the only religious group in this country that are persecuted.

I never argued Jesus' divinity in this thread, as it is not a topic.

I don't recall saying you were physically beaten for being a christian. I mean, come on, it's not like you're a ***! Right? I said the idea that you (read: christians) are so put upon by having the beliefs you do, is utter garbage! The only group that persecutes christians in this country, that I can see, are other christian sects. No one is saying that you can't practice your religion, only that you keep it to yourself. You guys, however think the operative word there is "religion", while it's really "yourself". This is why people get vocal about it! It's because you want to bash your personal beliefs over someone elses head to make you feel more secure about your beliefs. Most likely because deep down, you know it's a choice, not some whispered voice you heard on a spring day as you were walking through a feild or looking at a new born baby. And if everyone doesn't instantly agree with your beliefs, you tell them they're persecuting you. People call Obama a muslim because what? He's from the middle east? Or is that an insult? Hillarly is called a rabid socialist because what? Socialists are equated with atheists, and atheists are scum and killl babies, like Stalin and Hitler? Or is that an insult? I've never heard anyone go "HEY, so-and-so is an upstanding christian! I bet he eats babies and raises your taxes!" Doesn't happen. I've heard people call others "f@ggot!" and read stories of them being killed for it. I've heard "Hey niggar! Let's string 'em up". Never heard "Hey, I bet that guy's a christian! Let's castrate him and hang him by his toes! Doesn't happen.

I also find it amazing that in one post you know what a proverbial sword is, yet in another want to tell me I hope you die. Ugh-ugh-um; in my best Gav voice *um...persecution complex, much?...* I encourage you to do it because I know a law making your christianity illegal will NEVER happen in this nation that so belittles and demeans you.

Why join the military of a nation that so looks down on you? Please. Martyr complex?

Devil King...why are you so angry?

i would be 2 gav. will takes so much offense, and believes christians are persecuted, which is hilarious because christians are basically the only ones in this country does the persecuting

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Devil King...why are you so angry?

Not angry: disgusted. I'm disgusted.

Originally posted by chickenlover98
i would be 2 gav. will takes so much offense, and believes christians are persecuted, which is hilarious because christians are basically the only ones in this country does the persecuting

American?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
American?

He doesn't know you are in Scotland. Even though your avatar says so. 😆

Originally posted by chickenlover98
i would be 2 gav. will takes so much offense, and believes christians are persecuted, which is hilarious because christians are basically the only ones in this country does the persecuting

You're a bigot and perfect evidence for will's point.

"Why join the military of a nation that so looks down on you? Please. Martyr complex?"------------Devil King

Because some of us believe in making the world a better place, and the military is a place where people of all beliefs can respect each other and work together to accomplish great things.

You take the word "persecution" and apply it to only its most severe context, which concerns people getting physically beaten and strung up and what-not for their beliefs. That's not what I'm talking about at all. Watch your average television program or read a novel that deals with religion and you will see other faiths are given the protection of political correctness and a sort of reverance, whereas Christian characters and concepts are either maniacs or hick-ish simpletons. It's offensive, and it's non-Christians who are doing that.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
"Why join the military of a nation that so looks down on you? Please. Martyr complex?"------------Devil King

Because some of us believe in making the world a better place, and the military is a place where people of all beliefs can respect each other and work together to accomplish great things.

As long as they don't talk about their sexual orientation.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
You take the word "persecution" and apply it to only its most severe context, which concerns people getting physically beaten and strung up and what-not for their beliefs. That's not what I'm talking about at all. Watch your average television program or read a novel that deals with religion and you will see other faiths are given the protection of political correctness and a sort of reverance, whereas Christian characters and concepts are either maniacs or hick-ish simpletons. It's offensive, and it's non-Christians who are doing that.
I agree, it's a big problem that, in particular Islam, gets so much consideration for their ridiculous believes. We live in a free society and as such everyone that writes a book should have the right to express their views on any Religion. Of course, the biggest of them all, will likely get the most negative press.

Originally posted by Bardock42
As long as they don't talk about their sexual orientation.

Is that really the kind of thing that comes up a lot in the army anyway?

I sympathize with DKs feelings. Though I admit these American Christians are...bind boggling- totally alien to anything I have personal contact with...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Is that really the kind of thing that comes up a lot in the army anyway?

Wouldn't know, shouldn't be a problem if it did though.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Wouldn't know, shouldn't be a problem if it did though.

Don't they kick homosexual servicemen out of the American Army if they "come out"?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Don't they kick homosexual servicemen out of the American Army if they "come out"?

I think so. At least I thought that is what "Don't ask, don't tell" means.

Should an Army Priest who took confession of a gay soldier inform that soldiers commanding officer of his homosexuality then?

Just to veer this back to confession,

Does anyone take issue with the view that it should be a person's right, not to take the stand in any circumstance?

Originally posted by Grand_Moff_Gav
Should an Army Priest who took confession of a gay soldier inform that soldiers commanding officer of his homosexuality then?

Just to veer this back to confession,

Does anyone take issue with the view that it should be a person's right, not to take the stand in any circumstance?


Yeah, that was my stance. No one should be forced to bear witness.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
"Why join the military of a nation that so looks down on you? Please. Martyr complex?"------------Devil King

Because some of us believe in making the world a better place, and the military is a place where people of all beliefs can respect each other and work together to accomplish great things.

You take the word "persecution" and apply it to only its most severe context, which concerns people getting physically beaten and strung up and what-not for their beliefs. That's not what I'm talking about at all. Watch your average television program or read a novel that deals with religion and you will see other faiths are given the protection of political correctness and a sort of reverance, whereas Christian characters and concepts are either maniacs or hick-ish simpletons. It's offensive, and it's non-Christians who are doing that.

You're making the world a better place by spreading the ideas of hate and intolerance and the superiority of your life?

No, I do not take the word persecution to it's extremes. As I have already pointed out. Just because you repeat the same false accusation again, doesn't make it true.

Television? See if you can point to the atheist channel? Where is that one my dial? I can point you to no less than 10 religion channels, though.

Persecuted much?

Originally posted by Devil King
Television? See if you can point to the atheist channel? Where is that one my dial? I can point you to no less than 10 religion channels, though.

Persecuted much?

A point that would only hold if:

1) atheists tried to get their own channel
2) something other than the market blocked the attempt

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
A point that would only hold if:

1) atheists tried to get their own channel
2) something other than the market blocked the attempt

Could you imagine, in the US, what would happen if someone tried to start an atheist channel. 😆 You would see almost every Christian group in the US screaming their heads off.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Could you imagine, in the US, what would happen if someone tried to start an atheist channel. 😆 You would see almost every Christian group in the US screaming their heads off.

And all the ragheads too, right? I mean if were going to presecute one group for the actions of a few it might as well go all around.