Originally posted by Devil King
Compassion is not an understandable and attirubate emotion because god had it "first"?
Otherise, god would have had the foresight to have attributed some measure of enlightenment to his own creation. Instead, apparently, he was manipulative and sadistic enough to torture us with limitations that he himself imposed and designed. It's like a galactic and divine ant-farm!
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Why so bitter? You always curse, fly off the handle and use disrespectful language when discussing religion.Why give god an ultimatum? And say he does prove himself to you with your floating pen example, then what, you'll suddenly be humble and an avid believer?
Cause Religions and Religious people with their idiotic views cause horrible things around the world and I think we would be way better off without them. Also, cause Christians use immenese 1984 doublethink about God. And because God is a villain more horrible than most in any book, yet he is worshipped by billions and has influence on Politics and day to day life in many countries. How would you feel if the majority of people let their politicial decisions be influenced by the thoughts and opinions of the Joker?
Also, I'm not giving him an ultimatum. I am just saying that if he actually wanted to reveal himself that would be a way better way than sending his "son" (raping a virgin) to get tortured and killed (a fate many others have endured and worse) with next to no historical evidence of it.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Cause Religions and Religious people with their idiotic views cause horrible things around the world and I think we would be way better off without them.
Dangerous idiots will be dangerous idiots no matter what they claim to let guide them. Not to mention that there a great numbers of theists that don't cause horrible things and even actively stop them while others sit around and talk about how sad it is that disasters happen.
Originally posted by TransfinitumMiracles happen in other faiths besides "In Jesus's name," ya know.
But the fact remains, there must be a place where people who reject God go outside of heaven. Matthew 10:28 talks about hell;Here Matthew is talking about how the devil can destroy body and soul in one place, hell. So we now know that hell destroys the soul, and the soul is what is behind virtue and holiness.
There are miracles of God happening all over the world, you just choose to ignore them you bigot. Take the shrine at Lourdes for example, there have been over 60 cases where people were cured from diseases and illnesses that were deemed medically incurable by going to the shrine. The Lourdes Medical Bureau, an organization of doctors based in Lourdes have declared the following cures miraculous: (taken from Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lourdes_Medical_Bureau#Jeanne_Fretel)
Jeanne Fretel
Visited Lourdes: 10 May 1948.
Age 31, a student nurse from Rennes, France. Tubercular peritonitis with complications for seven years, extreme emaciation and oscillating fever. Comatose when brought to Lourdes, was given a tiny fragment of the Eucharist and awoke. Reported being "instantly and permanently cured" later that night while lying in her wheelchair beside the spring. Her cure was recognised officially on 11 November 1950.Brother Léo Schwager
Visited Lourdes: 30 April 1952.
Age 28, from Fribourg, Switzerland. Multiple sclerosis for five years. His cure was recognised on 18 December 1960.Alice Couteault, born Alice Gourdon
Visited Lourdes: 15 May 1952.
Age 34, from Bouille-Loretz, France. Multiple sclerosis for three years. Her cure was recognised on 16 July 1956.Marie Bigot
Visited Lourdes: 8 October 1953 and 10 October 1954.
Age 32, from La Richardais, France. Arachnoiditis of posterior fossa (blindness, deafness, hemiplegia). Her cure was recognised on 15 August 1956.Ginette Nouvel, born Ginette Fabre
Visited Lourdes: 21 September 1954.
Age 26, from Carmaux, France. Budd-Chiari syndrome (supra-hepatic venous thrombosis). Her cure was recognised on 31 May 1963.And there are many, many more. The fact that you cannot even see or even posit these as possible miracles from God speaks to a parable that Jesus spoke in Luke 16:27-31:
It is my pleasure to crush ignoble bigots, who wallow so deep in their self-satisfaction that they believe they are their own God.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Cause Religions and Religious people with their idiotic views cause horrible things around the world and I think we would be way better off without them.
You know, Atheists would love nothing more than religion to simply disappear. But they know that that's not going to happen so some of them wrote a book in which they rant about their dislike of religions, but they still didn't really accomplish much. I guess they figured the John Lennon style was the wrong approach.
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Let's say that, for whatever reason, religion does disappear, completely a thing of the past. Now think Bardock, do you honestly think that murder, mayhem and violence will never occur again, just like in "Imagine"? Seriously, I want you to take some time to mull it over.
Well said, quiero. I just love the line that bardock is willing to risk his whole belief system on a floating pen. That's the quote of the day.
Like it said above, idiots will always be idiots, and those who do evil "in God's name" aren't doing God's will. They're doing their own will and using God to justify it and make people fear them.
Devil King, if you're so sick of Christians sticking up for their faith, you came to the wrong place. You can dish it out, but can't take it? At least the world says it's politically correct to ridicule and demean Christians, so your atheist ways aren't nearly as persecuted as our Christian ways. Here you are with free will saying whatever comes to mind in a world created for you by a God who chose to become a human just to die for you. Cry me a river.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Well said, quiero. I just love the line that bardock is willing to risk his whole belief system on a floating pen. That's the quote of the day.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
You know, Atheists would love nothing more than religion to simply disappear. But they know that that's not going to happen so some of them wrote a book in which they rant about their dislike of religions, but they still didn't really accomplish much. I guess they figured the John Lennon style was the wrong approach.
I am not sure what you are talking about. As far as I can see Religion and especially Religion's power over the happenings of the world has dramatically decreased in the last 200 years and continues to decrease. So, whichever "book" you are referring to, might have done more than you wish to admit.
Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Let's say that, for whatever reason, religion does disappear, completely a thing of the past. Now think Bardock, do you honestly think that murder, mayhem and violence will never occur again, just like in "Imagine"? Seriously, I want you to take some time to mull it over.
Why would I need time to think about that. Obviously that would not happen. As Sym said, evil people will continue to be evil, I just wish they couldn't find justificaion of it in the believe shared by the majority of the world.
Also, you should listen to imagine again. It doesn't say "If there's no Religion everything is awesome" anywhere in it.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Devil King, if you're so sick of Christians sticking up for their faith, you came to the wrong place. You can dish it out, but can't take it? At least the world says it's politically correct to ridicule and demean Christians, so your atheist ways aren't nearly as persecuted as our Christian ways. Here you are with free will saying whatever comes to mind in a world created for you by a God who chose to become a human just to die for you. Cry me a river.
Oh, I think the battle wounds of the religion forum I have are deeper and older than yours. You pay so much attention, that you have failed to realize that I am not an atheist. But that reveals the black and white way most christian minds work; if he isn't a christian, then he must be an atheist because that's all the options there are in this world! Well, like most, you also make it a way of life to talk out of your ass. Oh mew wmwmeww booo hoooo oohoho hboob o oo o o on o o ooo in the name of the father we are SO persecuted!! The youth group might not be able to afford to go to the water park this summer because we had to buy a new van for them!!! Spare me the mindless, unrealistic rhetoric of your bloated American christian ego. You aren't persecuted for being a christian. You're, at most, told to keep it to yourself. (And before you blow an -o- ring on those satisfied female parts, I'm talking about out in the world, this is a religion forum, this is a place for you to spew your shit babble) When someone tries to make a law saying your faith should be illegal, then you can fall on your sword for your faith on an internet forum. (And I whole-heartedly welcome your descision to do so when that times comes) What I have found to be the most common cause of your supposed persecution, is that you feel so strongly in your particular version of christianity that you can't handle people not letting you beat them over the head with it. And that certainty is where your baseless accusations of persecution originate: not being able to stand anyone not validating your beliefs by sharing in them.
Again, that free will argument goes back to your dumb comment on accepting the divinity of Jesus in order to participate in an argument about his divinity. It's just plain wrong. Remember, these are the excuses you feed yourself to justify your faith in Jesus. I don't need it to convince myself of anything. Standing outside a group of people and saying everything they do justifies your beliefs doesn't mean jack shit to the group.
Originally posted by Devil King
Oh, I think the battle wounds of the religion forum I have are deeper and older than yours. You pay so much attention, that you have failed to realize that I am not an atheist. But that reveals the black and white way most christian minds work; if he isn't a christian, then he must be an atheist because that's all the options there are in this world! Well, like most, you also make it a way of life to talk out of your ass. Oh mew wmwmeww booo hoooo oohoho hboob o oo o o on o o ooo in the name of the father we are SO persecuted!! The youth group might not be able to afford to go to the water park this summer because we had to buy a new van for them!!! Spare me the mindless, unrealistic rhetoric of your bloated American christian ego. You aren't persecuted for being a christian. You're, at most, told to keep it to yourself. (And before you blow an -o- ring on those satisfied female parts, I'm talking about out in the world, this is a religion forum, this is a place for you to spew your shit babble) When someone tries to make a law saying your faith should be illegal, then you can fall on your sword for your faith on an internet forum. (And I whole-heartedly welcome your descision to do so when that times comes) What I have found to be the most common cause of your supposed persecution, is that you feel so strongly in your particular version of christianity that you can't handle people not letting you beat them over the head with it. And that certainty is where your baseless accusations of persecution originate: not being able to stand anyone not validating your beliefs by sharing in them.Again, that free will argument goes back to your dumb comment on accepting the divinity of Jesus in order to participate in an argument about his divinity. It's just plain wrong. Remember, these are the excuses you feed yourself to justify your faith in Jesus. I don't need it to convince myself of anything. Standing outside a group of people and saying everything they do justifies your beliefs doesn't mean jack shit to the group.
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Originally posted by Devil King
Oh, I think the battle wounds of the religion forum I have are deeper and older than yours. You pay so much attention, that you have failed to realize that I am not an atheist. But that reveals the black and white way most christian minds work; if he isn't a christian, then he must be an atheist because that's all the options there are in this world! Well, like most, you also make it a way of life to talk out of your ass. Oh mew wmwmeww booo hoooo oohoho hboob o oo o o on o o ooo in the name of the father we are SO persecuted!! The youth group might not be able to afford to go to the water park this summer because we had to buy a new van for them!!! Spare me the mindless, unrealistic rhetoric of your bloated American christian ego. You aren't persecuted for being a christian. You're, at most, told to keep it to yourself. (And before you blow an -o- ring on those satisfied female parts, I'm talking about out in the world, this is a religion forum, this is a place for you to spew your shit babble) When someone tries to make a law saying your faith should be illegal, then you can fall on your sword for your faith on an internet forum. (And I whole-heartedly welcome your descision to do so when that times comes) What I have found to be the most common cause of your supposed persecution, is that you feel so strongly in your particular version of christianity that you can't handle people not letting you beat them over the head with it. And that certainty is where your baseless accusations of persecution originate: not being able to stand anyone not validating your beliefs by sharing in them.Again, that free will argument goes back to your dumb comment on accepting the divinity of Jesus in order to participate in an argument about his divinity. It's just plain wrong. Remember, these are the excuses you feed yourself to justify your faith in Jesus. I don't need it to convince myself of anything. Standing outside a group of people and saying everything they do justifies your beliefs doesn't mean jack shit to the group.
Well, I do owe you an apology. Based on the posts written by you that I have read, I assumed you were an atheist. That was wrong, and I'm sorry for that. If you stated what your beliefs are very early on in the thread, I'm afraid I missed them. Excuse me.
I like that you held onto my comment about being satisfied. Since I mentioned it in a completely different forum on this website, I don't think a lot of people here really get it, and I take no offense to it. Glad you remember me for something so positive.
I never said I am physically persecuted for being a Christian. What I said is that Christians are demeaned and ridiculed much more than atheists are, and what's more, the rest of the world welcomes it. Any other religion has the protection of political correctness. Schools and workplaces take great measures to make sure Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist and other non-Christian individuals are not offended by anything, but no such measures are made for Christian individuals. If that's not how it is in places other than the United States, clue me in, because while I've never lived in a foreign country I have traveled to many of them and have found that Christians are even more dismissed in the rest of the world.
I think you're being a little too sensitive to actually wish me dead...I find your rants that these giant, powerful Christians just pick on everyone else a little hard to swallow. I grew up in a secular school system, so I know many people with all kinds of belief systems and nobody ever picked on anyone. I have Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, and atheist friends and I'm pretty sure none of them would ever say that I or any other Christian they know can't stand them just because of what they believe. It's how a person represents themselves that makes me like or dislike them and I think you're doing a pretty poor job of representing yourself and whatever your belief system is by wishing me to fall on my proverbial sword.
Someone defended my dumb comment and explained it....so you're the only one that's called it dumb so far. But once again, that's just you deciding to resort to name calling and death wishes. 🙄
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Someone defended my dumb comment and explained it....so you're the only one that's called it dumb so far. But once again, that's just you deciding to resort to name calling and death wishes. 🙄
Seriously, you are in no position to say that after you make the assumption you made.
Damn, you were wrong. It's ok, but don't try to lessen the blow yourself.
What?
Between when I posted it and now, Devil King is the only one that really argued with me on the divinity issue, so that's not wrong.
You really consider anything that's said on a forum a blow to someone else? Devil King has his opinions and I have mine. There is no right and wrong here unless people resort to attacking the person rather than the post. Devil King seems to like resorting to keep referring to something I said in the general discussion post and wishing me to fall on a sword and die. That's wrong.
Generally speaking, the person who you made the comment to should be the one to excuse you, not yourself.
Wonder when this changed...
Edit: (To comment on to the edit you made) The insult came after you made an assumption of what he believes in. I'm not sure why you said that, and I could make assertions as to why you did that, but that solves nothing.
It seemed completely in line from this PC monitor.
Making an assumption is not the same as wishing someone dead. Both things were out of line, but two wrongs don't make a right. I made an assumption based on what I had read, nothing more. If someone mistook me for being something I'm not, I would correct them and that would be it.
I fail to understand why these threads start out in the spirit of good-natured debate/discussion and turn into who can make the other person appear stupid. When I argue, I use research and personal experience. Oh, and I apologize when I am proven wrong on something. I don't need to apologize for my opinions or just accept being insulted.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
What?Between when I posted it and now, Devil King is the only one that really argued with me on the divinity issue, so that's not wrong.
You really consider anything that's said on a forum a blow to someone else? Devil King has his opinions and I have mine. There is no right and wrong here unless people resort to attacking the person rather than the post. Devil King seems to like resorting to keep referring to something I said in the general discussion post and wishing me to fall on a sword and die. That's wrong.
Ya, your right. Falling on a sword is so yesterday. Everyone knows that flying airplanes into buildings is the modern thing to do. 😉